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0 comments by numbersix on Jun 23rd, 2014

Maps have been with games for a long time.

If you consider the playfield of pong a representation a ping pong table - technically that is a map.

We have come a long way - many games now come with a map.

What is a map?

En.wikipedia.org - "A map is a symbolic depiction highlighting relationships between elements of that space such as objects, regions, and themes."


fig 1 - "Wizard's Crown"

This is from one of my favorite commodore 64 games - "Wizard's Crown".
Not the largest map - but it was very exciting. Exploring new areas. Discovering treasures. Fighting evil things. And the map area descriptions included a ton of detail.

What impressed me was how open it was. You could literally travel anywhere on that map!

Many games of the time, from graphic to text adventures, arcade blasters, any game with a map had hard limits. No matter what might be about you were trapped in your area.

That seems to have mostly stuck with FPS games. From wolf 3D all the way to some current games.
You enter, follow the path you are led on to the conclusion. Get weapons, keys, kill bad guys, etc.
Only in recent years have open map games come about.

Quake and its derivatives seem to be stuck in the old days. Dont get me wrong - some of those maps are awesome. However, you still have just whats in that map, no more.

I remember the first time I played doom. And found the secret door to the outer courtyard on Hangar "e1m1" - I wanted to explore out there. Sort of disappointing to discover all you saw from the window was all you got.

One day I got into map editing for a doom II project. I found out why the maps were that way. Such is the nature of the editor, map format and engine. The entire creation and display process was limited on purpose due to the difficulties of rendering large open spaces on the hardware of the day.

So we were left with an illusion of space. Until now. Todays hardware is an age ahead of yesteryears. If you were a gear head back in the day, what our systems can do now blows the mind.

Still there is a challenge: can there possibly be an open adventure quake game?

It is a sticky wicket to be sure.


fig 2 - test map

When I came up with the original chaos mod it was little more than a play mechanic (morphing into monsters) and some rough story ideas. I have had to discover everything else along the way.

Original map ideas:

Realms of Chaos (mk1 guesses)

  • Lower reaches
  • Upper reaches
  • Too Dark Park - graveyard
  • Fire swamp - you get one guess
  • Ruby's demise - gem of Wishmaster fame
  • Main hall (middle hell?)
  • Eastern Anarchy
  • M (Master?)

Why guesses? A hard drive crash around '04 eliminated some data.

Several times I've had the idea to work an adventure type game into the single player. I've set it aside every time.

My biggest foe is a component of the quake engine - qbsp. In order to use a pentium 100 platform to display a complex polygon world, the progenitors of quake chose to pre-compile a bsp; pre-lit with a visibility matrix to limit total displayed objects. The map is built of "brushes" in an editor. Those brushes are compiled into a bsp file with collision hulls for solid surfaces. That file has lighting data compiled, and visibility positioning calculated as well.

I have had a great amount of help from my quake engine derivative of choice - Darkplaces.
It has some great features - 32 bit color override, tons of lighting tricks, its fast - really a great engine...
But, could it overcome the bsp bound nature of quake 1 mapping?

I have a dream of an adventure game. I will not let it go.


fig 3 - exploring around a bit

Archon map ideas:

  • Quaesitor Thaumaturge - "You will die in our care. The method is left to you..."
  • Remorhaz Bane - "If you freeze, the faster Remorhaz will eat you..."
  • Vortex Litharge - "Dont slip, you might fall..."
  • Adepts Lament - "Leave hope behind, despair is your cibation here..."
  • Archon Radix - "Plan carefully, your next move is your last..."
  • Grimlock - "Affording you a fine selection of graves for your final destination tonight..."
  • Occlument Augury - "Portents indicate your immediate demise - the temple will show the path..."
  • Spectre Vitriol - "Your soul will be purified by fire, unfortunately your body will not survive..."
  • Killmoulis Arcana - "Once bright and airy, this forest is a death trap..."

I have made some interesting discoveries recently while coding.

You can use the ammo box method (a bsp map with just the box and lights) to compile map "chunks."
Those chunks can be loaded as entities and set to SOLID_BSP. They are mostly just like map brushes.
So I have a floor and walls.

I'm still stuck building in a giant box if I want a sky right?
Heh heh. I found out as long as darkplaces has a big enough bit of sky brush anywhere - the loadsky will load and display a complete skybox!

I coded up a dynamic mapper and had a walk around.
I know it doesnt look like much yet. I only used 512 x 512 generic ruins chunks.
There are some minor glitches - but it freaking works.

So, new game plan - Chaos mod: Archon single player is NOT going to be a q1 rehash with better monsters, gfx, etc.

It is going to be some wicked awesome quake-hack adventure!

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numbersix Creator
numbersix Aug 9 2013, 11:20am says:

Leapt off the logic gorge and switched to the fteqcc compiler. It took some code change effort, but it works. And the compiler / progs footprint is smaller - fteqcc seems to have more slick.

But...Chaos mod (mark II) codename "Archon"...has...a...playable...Archon!
Things seem different though - from the mark I code.
And I'm not sure if its the new darkplaces or something fteqcc did or something I changed. Have to run some tests before I release the 1.0.5a update.
Plus I'll be out of town for a month on a much deserved vacation.
And I dont think I'll take this production setup either.

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numbersix Creator
numbersix Aug 10 2013, 2:43am replied:

Part of the difference seems to be the new dp engine.
Some dynamic items (runes, cubes, ammo) no longer bounce from the spawn point, while crates still do.
Got a request in to LordHavoc about this. Will put the results in the work log.

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numbersix Creator
numbersix Aug 7 2013, 4:34am says:

Sigh.
The initial 1.0.5 alpha Chaos ARCHON is done. I ripped most of it from the original chaos mod mkI, so much of it needs changed. Doesnt matter. Blew the engines mind.
Host_Error: server CALL outside the program
QuakeC crash report for server:
s173285: ADDRESS self (=entity 1), movetarget (=.movetarget)
s173286: CALL0
: NewCarriedPath : statement 1
: set_initBotLevel : statement 62
: PutClientInServer : statement 0
Client "_-=* Number Six" dropped

That code has NEVER failed and nothing in the new code *should* affect that.
I think its the unsigned short deal I fixed in the compiler. Fsck.
This might be one for .qc forums, or tutorial...but I think it might be time to port over the fteqcc. That compiler does things differently and it might be more workable.

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numbersix Creator
numbersix Aug 2 2013, 2:09am says:

This mod is entering a new era of Quake one modding. The quake c has become so complex it breaks the compiler because someone ages ago used "unsigned short" for the maximum number of globals. I've fixed that, and the code base could double and still work.
It will only run on a special version of darkplaces. I'm going to see if LordHavoc (dp's maintainer) will include my engine mod. This is so win users wont have to figure out how to compile the engine.

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numbersix Creator
numbersix Jul 25 2013, 8:51pm says:

Code is going very well. I am starting to see odd things. I cant decide if I should leave them in as surprises (it is a Chaos Mod) or fix them as bugs. Decisions, decisions...

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numbersix Creator
numbersix Jul 14 2013, 10:54am says:

The package builder for the update release is done. Simply a matter of finishing off the "list" and testing.

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numbersix Creator
numbersix Jul 16 2013, 12:45pm replied:

Changed my mind about this. I really want an Archon available in the alpha test, so I'm coding that up before 1.0.5a is out. Means maybe a 2 week delay.

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numbersix Creator
numbersix Jul 2 2013, 1:57am says:

Current Version [ 1.0.5 alpha ]

It contains all the coolness listed in the previous december comments.
Sadly is too buggy to release.

And we are talking both minor concerns and some server crash.
Got some video I need to go through. Will be releasing that in the next couple weeks.
Stay tuned, the new version will come out.

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numbersix Creator
numbersix Mar 11 2013, 10:59pm says:

This project still lives. Just other stuff going on.
Thought the faithfull might want to know.

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numbersix Creator
numbersix Jun 29 2013, 12:36pm replied:

Posting some screens in lead of the update release.
Just have to run some tests and see if there are any serious bugs...

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