SU-24 Fencer image - C&C Generals: Visual Reality Mod for C&C: Generals Zero Hour

LOL nice one!

Just had to say that didn't ya? LOL! :D

Awesome model by the way. :)

I'll say the same if I was him. Guess I'm too attached to Star Wars stuff to. ;P

Same here.

Exactly. Look at the Operator List for the Su-24 and you will see that even though it is an advanced attack aircraft it has been operated and is in operation by various countries that can be considered Insurgent Factions. Particularly from this list Libya, Iraq , Syria , Iran apply here.

The other aircraft doctorheredoctor is also referring to is the Su-25 Frogfoot.

On a different note however excellent job on the model/skin doctorheredoctor/Kekz. I see the Su-24MK color scheme for Iraq was chosen:

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I also had forgotten about the Il-28 as well. However the current operators for the Il-28 would be a very small amount as most of the Il-28's and H-5's were retired in the 1980's and the 1990's depending on the Operator.

Yes, the big guys like Soviet/Russia and China are no longer using these things, and even in small countries like Albania their numbers are also declining. However, the GLA are usually forced to restore even scraped planes into "airworthy" condition because they are not having too much choices.

Albania retired their H-5/Il-28 in 1992. It was a Il-28 which was later traded for a Harbin H-5.

They only operated one attached to 2nd Squadron of Aviation Regiment 4020.

The GLA is a weird Terrorist group, where do they get all this equipment, T-55's, T-62's, and now SU-24's? Are you proposing they have some type of Government backing?

Exactly. The GLA can be comprised of Various Insurgent Factions and Rogue Nations. To clarify about the Rogue Nations they would provide indirect support and material support and also volunteers/soldiers. Such countries would be the following:

1. Russia
2. China
3. Syria
4. Egypt
5. Iran
6. Libya
7. North Korea

and so forth. So in reality the GLA would be a wide assortment of Insurgent Factions and 'Rogue' or 'Axis of Evil' nations with the latter providing indirect assistance in the form of funding , material support , equipment/hardware and volunteer without being directly involved politically.

Russia and China don't support terrorism, nor does Libya after their revolution against Gaddafi.

So you are saying that Russian and Chinese equipment wouldn't show up in Rogue Factions or Insurgent groups. ?

I'm sorry but I find that incorrect. Russia and China would provide indirect support through volunteers and material support for nations and factions who are opposed to NATO. Not to mention that elements comprised of the FSA are of Libyan origin or have assisted the Libyan uprising in 2011.

@ BossGeneral
Actually, the "Russian" stuffs you are talking about are Cold War SOVIET equipment that are available to most insurgent groups that can afford them since 1992 (AK-47, RPG, T-55 etc). The Chinese equipment you are talking about are either 1970-80's old exports or their North Korean/Iranian copies (e.g. Type 63 MLRS, C-802, C-701 missiles). Major powers aiding terrorist groups with weapons was a common practice back in COLD WAR (US aid in Afghanistan), NOT today.Most importantly, in these days, the "Rogue State" is not really suitable for China and Russia. You never heard the White House call any of these big players "Rogue", only small, hard-line anti-American nations and groups. At last, don't forget that China and NATO (mainly US) are allies in this GLA War, and they are obviously NOT going to help GLA and their "associates".

I am referring to both Cold War and Modern Russia. Russia still maintains a lucrative arms export business and exports widely to various customers.

One example of modern weaponry in the hand of insurgent or rebel factions is the Kornet and RPG-29 in Iraq and Lebanon. The Kornet was exported to Syria and then transferred to Hizbullah. The RPG-29 was also likely exported to Syria and then transferred to Iraqi insurgent factions and groups. These are some examples.

Major Powers still aid terrorist groups to this day. Nothing has changed and it will not change. In the case of Syria the West is arming the FSA and providing assistance to Al-Qaeda in order to topple the Syrian government and implement regime change. Same situation during Libya but with direct military assistance in the form of a no-fly zone.

In late 2011 Secretary of Defense Panetta labeled the SCO as a Threat to American unipolar interests and a threat to NATO interests.

There are two current world-wide factions and camps that are opposed to each other and the hegemonic expansion of the Unipolar West:

non-aligned movement
Shanghai Cooperation Organization

The latter is actually a collective security treaty organization meaning it is a Military alliance which includes Russia, and China as the main members. Also if you look at what American politicians consider both Russia and China to be in terms of their 'Axis of Evil' threat you will see that China appears to be having it's 'Munich' moment and that Russia is the biggest threat along with China. Here's an example:

Politicalcorrection.org

"BACHMANN: But you're looking at a new axis of evil between North Korea, the Chinese, Russia, Syria. Isn't it interesting it includes state sponsors of terror? We're looking at potentially three Russian warships coming in, making their way into Syrian ports. This is not good. We're seeing an axis of evil extend, potentially, once — if Iraq falls and it looks like Iran will come into and have dominance in Iraq. ... [The Russians] see what the rest of the world sees. That's weakness on the part of the E.U., weakness on the part of the United States. They wanna be where there's strength. They see aggression in China and aggression in Iran. They're throwing in common cause with them. And with the satellite, their acolyte, Syria."

As for the case of Command and Conquer Generals we would see former members of China and NATO assisting the GLA. You would call them dissenters/deserters but they would have joined the GLA's cause.

Again as doctorheredoctor mentioned how is it possible that a 'terrorist' group without any real government or military backing would capture large parts of Europe and other parts of the world. It's simply not possible as they would have backing from the countries I have listed above a few comments back ie indirectly through material and volunteer support.

Well, but don't forget that the "Axis of Evil" works both ways, in Russia and China, NATO is their version of the "Axis of Evil".
In case you haven't noticed, the GLA never received any significant quantity of US and Chinese equipments (except FIM-92 Stinger, but even that was from 1980's Afghanistan).
The only nations that could have backed them were Russia (appeared neutral, but it was mentioned that there was a GLA base in Russia and Russian army did not wipe them out), Iran (they always), North Korea (to ****-of their former "Overlord" China and old rival US?) and other states like Syria (suspicious). Other than them, the GLA will find only very little support from traitors/sympathizers in China/its allies and US/NATO.

The proliferation of the FIM-92 Stinger was possible due to the Chinese acting as a treasurer and banker to counter the Soviet Union. The Chinese provided the funds and Pakistan acted as a Proxy through which to deliver the FIM-92 Stinger. In this case China acted this way to counter the Soviet Union (which was still considered an enemy at this point) and also to prevent Soviet Expansion from interfering with American and Chinese interests in Central asia and the region.

The supporting nations if we use the context of the GLA and the C&C Generals world would have been:

1. Central asian Muslim nations
2. Iran
3. Syria
4. Egypt
5. Libya
6. Others ...

Adding to this the US requested the FIM-92 Stinger but required the funds to appropriate for the FIM-92 Stinger purchase. So in reality both China , US and their Proxies were involved with indirect material support and volunteers to counter Soviet Expansion.

Well it seems we have finally reached a mutual point of view of some sort. Just one question, is the FIM-92 Stinger, or SA-7/SA-18 are most used MANPAD in the terrorist groups today?

Both would actually be the most common depending on which viewpoint the Media presents and which conflict we can base the conclusion off.

However the Sa-16/18 and finally the Sa-24 have large scale proliferation with various operators. The Sa-24 also now meets the requirements for proliferation on a larger scale due to the Libyan Civil War and the Syrian Civil War.

I'm saying they directly don't support terrorism, not saying Russian and Chinese Equipment will appear in a terrorist group's arsenal.

Or us Syrians.. we hate the FSA terrorists
but still some extremists will be part of the rogue groups

Russia does support terrorism indirectly...as do most weapon-exporting countries. AK-47 anybody?

What I mean by weird is the large amount of equipment they have.

It's the same amount of equipment only replaced with real-world equivalents. Nothing changed apart from the visual representation of the models with their real-world equivalents.

What size you use for textures? I see at least 2x 512 textures here Am I right?

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"doctorheredoctor 16hours 42mins ago replied:
They will indeed be at a forward position in-game."