This mod is for all the players frustrated with the cartoony nature of Zero Hour units and buildings. We intend to replace every fanciful unit in Zero Hour with its closest possible real world equivalent, without changing the unit's capabilities.

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rkraptor70
rkraptor70 Nov 13 2012, 5:17pm says:

Will the wings will moved into attack position in-game?

And ofcorse, it looks really nice.

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dhd Creator
dhd Nov 13 2012, 5:21pm replied:

They will indeed be at a forward position in-game.

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brodur
brodur Nov 13 2012, 5:35pm says:

Hehehehe, "Lock S-Foils into attack position!"

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rkraptor70
rkraptor70 Nov 13 2012, 6:10pm replied:

LOL nice one!

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phoenix8
phoenix8 Nov 13 2012, 8:24pm replied:

Just had to say that didn't ya? LOL! :D

Awesome model by the way. :)

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Timgao929
Timgao929 Nov 14 2012, 11:21pm replied:

I'll say the same if I was him. Guess I'm too attached to Star Wars stuff to. ;P

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RumasLaut21
RumasLaut21 Jun 2 2013, 5:05am replied:

Same here.

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ParkChungHeeFan
ParkChungHeeFan Nov 13 2012, 5:53pm says:

What Faction is for? GLA? because this is way to advanced for a Terrorist group.

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dhd Creator
dhd Nov 13 2012, 5:58pm replied:

The image description in the top-right hand corner states that this is a GLA aircraft. Given that the GLA *requires* an aircraft to drop the Toxin Bomb weapon, we went with one of the only aircraft operated by middle-eastern and north-african nation states featuring insurgency movements and civil wars wherein such fighter-bombers can quickly trade hands between government forces and militia control.

The Su-24 is a regular show-up at 3rd world low-intensity conflicts and so represents an apt choice for a GLA aircraft.

I'm going to have to disagree with you on this one!

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BossGeneral
BossGeneral Nov 13 2012, 7:57pm replied:

Exactly. Look at the Operator List for the Su-24 and you will see that even though it is an advanced attack aircraft it has been operated and is in operation by various countries that can be considered Insurgent Factions. Particularly from this list Libya, Iraq , Syria , Iran apply here.

The other aircraft doctorheredoctor is also referring to is the Su-25 Frogfoot.

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BossGeneral
BossGeneral Nov 13 2012, 8:17pm replied:

On a different note however excellent job on the model/skin doctorheredoctor/Kekz. I see the Su-24MK color scheme for Iraq was chosen:

Img.wp.scn.ru

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dhd Creator
dhd Nov 13 2012, 8:48pm replied:

I cried just a little bit when I saw the Il-28 and how awesome that could have been as well. If only there was some appropriate place to jam it in.

Oh well, I'm off to model a high fidelity Soyuz rocket for the Zero Hour campaign for no reason :D

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BossGeneral
BossGeneral Nov 13 2012, 9:28pm replied:

I also had forgotten about the Il-28 as well. However the current operators for the Il-28 would be a very small amount as most of the Il-28's and H-5's were retired in the 1980's and the 1990's depending on the Operator.

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Timgao929
Timgao929 Nov 14 2012, 11:24pm replied:

Yes, the big guys like Soviet/Russia and China are no longer using these things, and even in small countries like Albania their numbers are also declining. However, the GLA are usually forced to restore even scraped planes into "airworthy" condition because they are not having too much choices.

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BossGeneral
BossGeneral Nov 15 2012, 9:44am replied:

Albania retired their H-5/Il-28 in 1992. It was a Il-28 which was later traded for a Harbin H-5.

They only operated one attached to 2nd Squadron of Aviation Regiment 4020.

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ParkChungHeeFan
ParkChungHeeFan Nov 15 2012, 5:59am replied:

The GLA is a weird Terrorist group, where do they get all this equipment, T-55's, T-62's, and now SU-24's? Are you proposing they have some type of Government backing?

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dhd Creator
dhd Nov 15 2012, 7:03am replied:

You think a "weird terrorist group" is capable of mass overland offenses that capture large parts of Europe? :P

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BossGeneral
BossGeneral Nov 15 2012, 9:48am replied:

Exactly. The GLA can be comprised of Various Insurgent Factions and Rogue Nations. To clarify about the Rogue Nations they would provide indirect support and material support and also volunteers/soldiers. Such countries would be the following:

1. Russia
2. China
3. Syria
4. Egypt
5. Iran
6. Libya
7. North Korea

and so forth. So in reality the GLA would be a wide assortment of Insurgent Factions and 'Rogue' or 'Axis of Evil' nations with the latter providing indirect assistance in the form of funding , material support , equipment/hardware and volunteer without being directly involved politically.

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ParkChungHeeFan
ParkChungHeeFan Nov 15 2012, 6:32pm replied:

Russia and China don't support terrorism, nor does Libya after their revolution against Gaddafi.

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BossGeneral
BossGeneral Nov 15 2012, 8:27pm replied:

So you are saying that Russian and Chinese equipment wouldn't show up in Rogue Factions or Insurgent groups. ?

I'm sorry but I find that incorrect. Russia and China would provide indirect support through volunteers and material support for nations and factions who are opposed to NATO. Not to mention that elements comprised of the FSA are of Libyan origin or have assisted the Libyan uprising in 2011.

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Timgao929
Timgao929 Nov 16 2012, 12:01am replied:

@ BossGeneral
Actually, the "Russian" stuffs you are talking about are Cold War SOVIET equipment that are available to most insurgent groups that can afford them since 1992 (AK-47, RPG, T-55 etc). The Chinese equipment you are talking about are either 1970-80's old exports or their North Korean/Iranian copies (e.g. Type 63 MLRS, C-802, C-701 missiles). Major powers aiding terrorist groups with weapons was a common practice back in COLD WAR (US aid in Afghanistan), NOT today.Most importantly, in these days, the "Rogue State" is not really suitable for China and Russia. You never heard the White House call any of these big players "Rogue", only small, hard-line anti-American nations and groups. At last, don't forget that China and NATO (mainly US) are allies in this GLA War, and they are obviously NOT going to help GLA and their "associates".

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BossGeneral
BossGeneral Nov 16 2012, 8:35am replied:

I am referring to both Cold War and Modern Russia. Russia still maintains a lucrative arms export business and exports widely to various customers.

One example of modern weaponry in the hand of insurgent or rebel factions is the Kornet and RPG-29 in Iraq and Lebanon. The Kornet was exported to Syria and then transferred to Hizbullah. The RPG-29 was also likely exported to Syria and then transferred to Iraqi insurgent factions and groups. These are some examples.

Major Powers still aid terrorist groups to this day. Nothing has changed and it will not change. In the case of Syria the West is arming the FSA and providing assistance to Al-Qaeda in order to topple the Syrian government and implement regime change. Same situation during Libya but with direct military assistance in the form of a no-fly zone.

In late 2011 Secretary of Defense Panetta labeled the SCO as a Threat to American unipolar interests and a threat to NATO interests.

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BossGeneral
BossGeneral Nov 16 2012, 8:42am replied:

There are two current world-wide factions and camps that are opposed to each other and the hegemonic expansion of the Unipolar West:

non-aligned movement
Shanghai Cooperation Organization

The latter is actually a collective security treaty organization meaning it is a Military alliance which includes Russia, and China as the main members. Also if you look at what American politicians consider both Russia and China to be in terms of their 'Axis of Evil' threat you will see that China appears to be having it's 'Munich' moment and that Russia is the biggest threat along with China. Here's an example:

Politicalcorrection.org

"BACHMANN: But you're looking at a new axis of evil between North Korea, the Chinese, Russia, Syria. Isn't it interesting it includes state sponsors of terror? We're looking at potentially three Russian warships coming in, making their way into Syrian ports. This is not good. We're seeing an axis of evil extend, potentially, once — if Iraq falls and it looks like Iran will come into and have dominance in Iraq. ... [The Russians] see what the rest of the world sees. That's weakness on the part of the E.U., weakness on the part of the United States. They wanna be where there's strength. They see aggression in China and aggression in Iran. They're throwing in common cause with them. And with the satellite, their acolyte, Syria."

As for the case of Command and Conquer Generals we would see former members of China and NATO assisting the GLA. You would call them dissenters/deserters but they would have joined the GLA's cause.

Again as doctorheredoctor mentioned how is it possible that a 'terrorist' group without any real government or military backing would capture large parts of Europe and other parts of the world. It's simply not possible as they would have backing from the countries I have listed above a few comments back ie indirectly through material and volunteer support.

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Timgao929
Timgao929 Nov 16 2012, 9:49am replied:

Well, but don't forget that the "Axis of Evil" works both ways, in Russia and China, NATO is their version of the "Axis of Evil".
In case you haven't noticed, the GLA never received any significant quantity of US and Chinese equipments (except FIM-92 Stinger, but even that was from 1980's Afghanistan).
The only nations that could have backed them were Russia (appeared neutral, but it was mentioned that there was a GLA base in Russia and Russian army did not wipe them out), Iran (they always), North Korea (to ****-of their former "Overlord" China and old rival US?) and other states like Syria (suspicious). Other than them, the GLA will find only very little support from traitors/sympathizers in China/its allies and US/NATO.

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BossGeneral
BossGeneral Nov 16 2012, 10:44am replied:

The proliferation of the FIM-92 Stinger was possible due to the Chinese acting as a treasurer and banker to counter the Soviet Union. The Chinese provided the funds and Pakistan acted as a Proxy through which to deliver the FIM-92 Stinger. In this case China acted this way to counter the Soviet Union (which was still considered an enemy at this point) and also to prevent Soviet Expansion from interfering with American and Chinese interests in Central asia and the region.

The supporting nations if we use the context of the GLA and the C&C Generals world would have been:

1. Central asian Muslim nations
2. Iran
3. Syria
4. Egypt
5. Libya
6. Others ...

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BossGeneral
BossGeneral Nov 16 2012, 11:00am replied:

Adding to this the US requested the FIM-92 Stinger but required the funds to appropriate for the FIM-92 Stinger purchase. So in reality both China , US and their Proxies were involved with indirect material support and volunteers to counter Soviet Expansion.

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Timgao929
Timgao929 Nov 16 2012, 3:08pm replied:

Well it seems we have finally reached a mutual point of view of some sort. Just one question, is the FIM-92 Stinger, or SA-7/SA-18 are most used MANPAD in the terrorist groups today?

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BossGeneral
BossGeneral Nov 16 2012, 3:19pm replied:

Both would actually be the most common depending on which viewpoint the Media presents and which conflict we can base the conclusion off.

However the Sa-16/18 and finally the Sa-24 have large scale proliferation with various operators. The Sa-24 also now meets the requirements for proliferation on a larger scale due to the Libyan Civil War and the Syrian Civil War.

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ParkChungHeeFan
ParkChungHeeFan Nov 17 2012, 9:47am replied:

I'm saying they directly don't support terrorism, not saying Russian and Chinese Equipment will appear in a terrorist group's arsenal.

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Alexali7
Alexali7 Nov 17 2012, 4:37am replied:

Or us Syrians.. we hate the FSA terrorists
but still some extremists will be part of the rogue groups

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Sarge_Rho
Sarge_Rho Feb 2 2013, 11:05am replied:

Russia does support terrorism indirectly...as do most weapon-exporting countries. AK-47 anybody?

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ParkChungHeeFan
ParkChungHeeFan Nov 15 2012, 6:31pm replied:

What I mean by weird is the large amount of equipment they have.

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dhd Creator
dhd Nov 15 2012, 7:41pm replied:

> the large amount of equipment they have.

You mean exactly the same amount of equipment as in Vanilla gens? We aren't adding anything new to the game, only replacing.

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BossGeneral
BossGeneral Nov 15 2012, 8:31pm replied:

It's the same amount of equipment only replaced with real-world equivalents. Nothing changed apart from the visual representation of the models with their real-world equivalents.

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rkraptor70
rkraptor70 Nov 13 2012, 6:11pm says:

BTW no GLA markings? It would look cool.

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CanadaMan7
CanadaMan7 Nov 13 2012, 7:02pm says:

These air-craft look so good it's absurd.

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delafuturelife
delafuturelife Nov 13 2012, 8:08pm says:

can you edit the glass? this glass no is great , can you add transparency

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dhd Creator
dhd Nov 13 2012, 8:45pm replied:

"The glass no is great" is probably the nicest and most grammatically incorrect way I've ever received constructive criticism.

I'd like to add that level of detail and attention to every single model to the game, but if I did, I'd have to kill all of my close personal relatives and associates in order to have the free time to do so.

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Alexei_Stukov
Alexei_Stukov Nov 14 2012, 2:02am replied:

What size you use for textures? I see at least 2x 512 textures here Am I right?

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dhd Creator
dhd Nov 14 2012, 4:09am replied:

All the textures we make these days are a single 1024*1024.

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MrTaxikiller
MrTaxikiller Nov 14 2012, 4:49am says:

keep the cockpit glass like it is now, you wont even see it ingame only when its parked on the run way and you dont take they time to look at it because your base is under attack and you need to defense it. so all those little details whores shut up and be happy with what you get!

{ just woke up at 10:50 am with a hangover so if you take it offensive then thats your problem. }

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dhd Creator
dhd Nov 14 2012, 6:04am replied:

Since it's the GLA Toxin bomber, you don't even ever get to see it in a "parked" position on an airfield. These sort of details are pretty tricky to pick up when it zips by :P

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AirborneSn1p3r
AirborneSn1p3r Nov 14 2012, 9:17am says:

very nice the textures are amazing.can the wings expand?

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BossGeneral
BossGeneral Nov 14 2012, 10:03am replied:

Second comment from top:

"doctorheredoctor 16hours 42mins ago replied:
They will indeed be at a forward position in-game."

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foxslider
foxslider Dec 10 2012, 10:52am says:

again,the same suggestion: avoid additional lines which makes your model looks apart like a mix of many fragments or to say: cloths with many patches. just my own feeling and a sincere suggestion

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dhd Creator
dhd Dec 10 2012, 3:40pm replied:

I invite you to do better and then mail me the completed model and texture.

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dhd Creator
dhd Dec 11 2012, 10:52am replied:

Seriously, having people do work for us would be awesome :P

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kimkev20
kimkev20 Dec 26 2012, 8:03am says:

i dont know how to say it or to show it maybe i can upload a drawing to show i mean u can use the style of the airfield of china like it has a short runway but has a wide airfield ryt about 3 airplanes could field measyre that to length of the use airfield u can put the hangar at side of the usa runway expand the hangar edit the line at runway to make it vertical aline at the hangar lets say you stretched the hangar that 4 airplanes can fit on it now u can put the 4 slide doors that opens when 1 fighter has been bought while if buy a b2a spirit 2 slide doors will open it will automatically occupy 2 parking space so u'll have a 2 b2a spirit in 1 airfield i mean i know u can code it

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Laqueesha
Laqueesha Feb 18 2013, 12:25am says:

Does this replace the plane used for the GLA tank drops, or only the anthrax bomb?

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dhd Creator
dhd Feb 24 2013, 5:00pm replied:

Just anthrax bomb. Wouldn't really make sense otherwise. Although I bet in the latest release it also drops tanks because I just swapped it for GLA cargo aircraft, so I'll have to go in and specify. Final intention is not for this thing to drop tanks

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The Su-24 ground attack aircraft will replace the GLA toxin bomber.

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