a Mod Designed for "Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines" which include 7 new Clans, New Disciplines, New Weapons, New Story and mostly retextured.

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In this news we will focus on the two new models, Pander (are often sent on the most dangerous missions, as the Sabbat views them as expendible mongrels) and Kuejin Ninja Warriors (also called the disciple of Black Scoprion)

Posted by Mv.c9 on Jan 3rd, 2010

Panders

The clan of Caitiff named after Joseph Pander, who rallied the clanless Sabbat against the Moderate faction during the aftermath of the Sabbat civil war. Although they are treated with barely any respect, Panders tend to be cunning and vicious shock troops. Their low status within the Sword of Caine however inspires them to be devout and reckless, making them some of the most zealous soldiers in the war against the Jyhad.

Panders are often sent on the most dangerous missions, as the Sabbat views them as expendible mongrels. However they are always numerous and the weak among them are quickly rooted out as they bear the worst duties of the Sabbat, duties that often have a high casualty rate. Thus the Mutts are not to be taken lightly, as they are the zealots who have nothing to lose, but much to gain.

NPC Model - Sabbat Pander

You will usually find panders in gangs of 4 or 5 around the town, always consist of one Elite and the rest Average, the Elite ones have specialization in Celerity while the Average ones focus on Fortitude and Potence. they will randomly wield ranged and mele weapons.

Black Scorpion Disciple


The Black Scorpions are heretics among the Cathayan. They are the scions of a new age, eagerly awaiting the rise of the Sixth Age. As a product of the 20th century these Cathayan have discarded tradition in favour of adapting to the modern nights with ferocious abandon. Killing, dealing drugs, kidnapping, blackmail, and arson are but some of the things that are part and parcel with Black Scorpion existence. Most heinous of all is that every Black Scorpion by nature owes nominal fealty to the Yama Kings.

The Black Scorpion Disciples are low ranked Cathayans who practice the Black Scorpion Dharma. They are the Los Angeles Mandarin Ming Xiao's elite and most deadly followers. Depraved and corrupt, these warriors are utterly vicious in battle as they fear nothing and exist solely to spread corruption and spiritual decay to all unlucky to cross their path. Ming Xiao has allowed these heretics employ and safety from the wrath of the Kuei-jin courts. Though they are little better than monstrous thugs, under Ming Xiao they have been forged into assassins and enforcers, true harbingers of the Sixth Age.

NPC Model -  KueiJin Ninja Warrior NPC Model -  KueiJin Ninja Warrior
NPC Model -  KueiJin Ninja Warrior NPC Model -  KueiJin Ninja Warrior
NPC Model -  KueiJin Ninja Warrior NPC Model -  KueiJin Ninja Warrior
NPC Model -  KueiJin Ninja Warrior NPC Model -  KueiJin Ninja Warrior

The Ninja Warriors are very though to kill, the can dodge most of your attacks, they posses more acrobatics than any other Kin or Kindred in the game, though they do not posses disciplines used by kindred they have their own disciplines that uses chi instead of blood. their speed goes toe to toe with Celerity, and their blows are as mighty as a Potence User. you find them every once in a while around the game trying to kill you.

They were sent by MingXao to kill you, since you are a threat to both Ming and Lacroix secret agreement, so both decided that you need to be out of the game, thats why you will often find them in the missions lacroix gives you (since they are there before you get there) and also sometimes they hide in the shadows waiting for you to approach, so be careful.

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Nanna
Nanna Jan 4 2010, 10:39am says:

Panders are often created as sabbat shock troops, during mass embrace rituals, often during blood sieges (like the one in original game). To create clanless fresh vampire, ritualists have to be from various clans and/or (if and, greater percentage of created vampires will be clanless) have high generation (11-13).

All vampires embraced by the sabbat are considered expendable fodder first. They have to prove their worth to be considered vampires (until then, they are considered generic monsters, tools).

To be acknowledged as Pander, one have to be vampire first. When vampire is sabbat brother or sister, he or she become member of certain pack. Packs have more often than not members from different clans - packs with only one clan are exception, not rule (outside blood brothers and certain black hand columns made from just assamites antitribu).

So, while all-pander packs can be justified from the lore point of view, making pack with say 3 panders and 2 members of other clans would be my choice (if i would create mod with the sabbat).

I didn't read about KotE, but such alliance strike me as fair deal.

Also, i like very much their acrobatics.

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Mv.c9 Author
Mv.c9 Jan 4 2010, 11:18am replied:

the alliance was expressed in the bloodlines game. the ninjas have nothing to do with the alliance itself but are people good at killing, thus they are used in having you drown. actually some of them are considered as quests and you have to kill them in order to proceed on the quest.

as for pander packs, those will be general packs you will see in the city, but when in sabbath territory youll see a full pack with all sorts there, "gangrel + . . . + pander" packs like these are seen in the hollow brook hotel. youll see what i mean when you play. the pander as i mentioned and you also emphasized are the expendables, so you see them in the front row alone, rather than with a tzimitce or a lasombra at their side.

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IceCubeClown
IceCubeClown Jan 4 2010, 8:39pm replied:

Panders are considered MORE expendible by True Sabbat. Elder Lasombra and Tzimisce are sickened by the concept of recognizing mongrel scum as a clan.

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IceCubeClown
IceCubeClown Jan 5 2010, 8:53am replied:

The Malk dialogue with Ming Xiao only makes sense if you've read Kindred of the East books. Although it would have been cool to rebut her arrogance with the Ravnos origin myth.

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Nanna
Nanna Jan 5 2010, 7:33am says:

Panders are generally considered more expendable by sabbat than members of others clan. Lasombra and Tzimisce elders are sickened, true, but they does not form majority of the sabbat. Majority of sabbat are fresh vampires, up to ancilla. Where concept of equality is still alive.

And Panders (while they struggle to gain any status, and given often most dangerous tasks) are still equal, at least nominally, and successful Panders are rewarded (some of them even are capable to gain bishop or archbishop titles, Joseph Pander was priscus).

So, IceCubeClown, it's less obvious than you think (or my perception of your words is flawed).

Mv.c9, while some Lasombra and Tzimisce could fight alongside panders, other members of the clans would consider it rather extravagant (unless entire pack fight, or other conditions force it, then it's ok).

It was not even my proposal, i'd rather want to say that Ventrue, Brujah, Gangrels, Nosferatu, Toreador, Malkavians or some bloodline members might fight in first line alongside Panders.

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IceCubeClown
IceCubeClown Jan 5 2010, 8:02am replied:

Equality is only in theory. There's no equality amongst Cainites. Especially in the Sword of Caine. The fact there are ranks in the Sabbat destroys the claim to equality. The Sabbat ideals are hollow for the most part. That and the Path of Power and Inner Voice. Unifers refuse to consider ANYONE equal.

The elders ARE the Sabbat. The young are all fodder, their status as True Sabbat a mere delusion. It's the same with the Camarilla and the Tremere, only the Inner Circle are the real deal, everyone else is expendible fodder.

The recurring theme of Masquerade is elders always screw the younger Cainites and hoard the real power. The Sabbat quickly became the thing they despise. A vehicle for elder domination. Only occasionally do younger Cainites reverse this, but then the cycle simply renews. Such was the Anarch Revolt, a repeat of the slaughter of the 2nd generation.

Joseph Pander's position was merely giving a dog a bone. Like most other Panders could have ever had a chance to be as successful. Even the non Fiends and Keepers in the Sabbat think little of Panders generally. Individuals may stand out, but as a clan they are considered trash. Remember, Cainites are pretty racist most of the time. And the elders are usually set in their ways.

But I disgress, my point in the other post was simply that Panders are considered the most expendible Sabbat, which is true more often than not.

The idea of varied Sabbat roster is more true to PnP, but Troika didn't really bother in the vanilla game. Although it would be cool, it hardly warrants immediate attention. Perhaps it could be done though just to be true to PnP in a few pack encounters?

Anywho, good discussion.

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Mv.c9 Author
Mv.c9 Jan 5 2010, 8:05am replied:

ok, this is what i am going to do. ill combine both ideas:

1. in some areas you will see a pack of Panders, probaly 3 or 4. but their purpose of being there is not to fight you. but just there, as they too are vampires like you, maybe preparing for their next mission, maybe just sit and talk, maybe planning on an attack . . . etc . . . these will be pander only packs.

2. in combat situations you will see them fight along Lasombra and Tzimitce, Gangrel or any other clan. but they are neonates and fledglings rather than Ancilla.

is this what you want ?!

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IceCubeClown
IceCubeClown Jan 5 2010, 8:11am replied:

I think that's what he wants. I'm not quite sure, I really only replied for the discussion.

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Nanna
Nanna Jan 5 2010, 9:19am replied:

Sure, that is that is what i want (with a disclaimer that those pander only packs are probably trying to get useful informations or downright spying on people additionally).

Equality is only the theory, right. But in sabbat gap between elders and novices are more blurry than in camarilla, and certain ritae make the older vampires more linked with young canites (vaulderie, yes i know about downsides of this). So there is more equality in Sabbat than in other sects, and rising in ranks is more linked to personal feats than to lineage.

Black Hand are real sabbat (the lost tribe, not tel'mahe'ra). Jokes aside, there is more truth in calling all sabbat brothers and sisters true sabbat. The sect does not degenerated to be pawns of antes, unlike camarilla, and are the only vampiric faction that is 'right' in the setting.

The main theme of masquarade is losing yourself to the beast.

Sure, Joseph priscus position giving dog a bone, and was neat move from brujah part of sabbat. But others who raised to elevated position were not raised in such a way, they done it by their own deeds, like current Archbishop of Montreal.

I thought is was clear that Panders as a clan are considered more expendable, and their process of rising in ranks is more difficult.

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Nanna
Nanna Jan 5 2010, 9:20am replied:

Yeah, troika make this too heroic, giving us very stereotypical image of sabbat (which is not true to pnp representation, but cammy could belive it's true), with very limited pool of models. Slaughtering multiple sabbat vampires on your own was not true to pnp, but it's commonly used by game industry (especially in the games that have not very challenging combat system, like bloodlines - in 'perfect game' enemy on your level and with similar gear should give interesting fight that last about minute, in case of two vampires fighting it could last even longer, and the outcome should be either death of one combatant or flee to fight another day ... in bloodlines only Andrei fled ... but this is way off topic), so i respect their choice.

To be fair, my responses are there mainly as discussion. I'm not a kind of person who force others to do his biddings. It's your project and i respect that.

P.S: Tremere antitribu ? I thought Tremere killed you all :P

P.P.S: stupid character limit.

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IceCubeClown
IceCubeClown Jan 5 2010, 10:00am replied:

Still Tremere defectors and like 2 antitribu left. Minority FTW! Although the example I was using was the Tremere pyramid scheme not the Goratrix anti-tribe. Also weren't the antes more concerned with apothesis schemes than manipulating their children? Saulot Demon Emperor bid, Lasombra Abyssal horror etc. Tzimisce comes to mind.

The theme of losing to the beast IS the main one of Masquerade, the elders screwing the younger over is just a recurring pattern. I should said pattern, not theme in the othre post.

Also, good posts on the Sabbat Nanna. Yeah, the Pander thing is a given, so my posts were largely irrevelant. My bad, I come off as an ***. The vaulderie definately ensures cohesion, but not every Sabbat has vinculum to every other member.

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Nanna
Nanna Jan 5 2010, 10:12am replied:

Nikolai the Survivor and who else ? Valerius ? No, he was defector. Yeah, i know you used cammy tre as a example.

Cappadocius diablerising the God, Haquim diablerising Caine. But yeah, antes are more concerned with their schemes than dealing with their children, they are above it.

Sure, it's common.

Not really, you just wanted to discuss things, nothing wrong with it. Vinculum have different strenght (few factors contribute to it), and elder sabbat vampires have often lesser levels of blood bonds with young sabbat members (thats why i said that i know the flaws of the argument).

Sabbat is my favourite sect (especially false black hand part of it).

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IceCubeClown
IceCubeClown Jan 5 2010, 11:20am replied:

Think much of Belial's Brood in Requiem?

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Nanna
Nanna Jan 5 2010, 12:22pm replied:

Nah, Sabbat parts are divided between VII, Lancea Sanctum, Circle of the Crone, Ordo Dracul and Belial's Brood in Requiem. Belial's Brood is too much in infernalism (i don't like this facet of sabbat in oWoD too).

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IceCubeClown
IceCubeClown Jan 5 2010, 9:58pm says:

The infernalism in the Sabbat was more prevalent in earlier editions, no? Back when the Sabbat was more bikers from hell rather than a militant religious cult.

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Nanna
Nanna Jan 6 2010, 9:03am replied:

I prefer more mature representation of the sabbat. I have nothing to bikers from hell, they sound cool.

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IceCubeClown
IceCubeClown Jan 6 2010, 10:24am replied:

Yeah but everything was kooky in the earlier editions of Masquerade, not just the Sabbat. Malkavians playing pranks, Children of Osiris, the True Black Hand, Abominations, and goddamn Samuel Haight. Thankfully things got more serious by revised.

And I agree, the Sabbat representation in revised was the best one. Shame Caine never cared for them.

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Mv.c9 Author
Mv.c9 Jan 6 2010, 10:43am replied:

did Caine ever cared for ANYTHING at all ?!

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IceCubeClown
IceCubeClown May 12 2010, 6:55am says:

Just noticed a big mistake I made. It's Scorpion Eaters, not Black Scorpions. Gah.

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