Yuribeard7
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WARNING! Beware of Steve. Frequently breaks out in smart-ass with a high concentration of sarcasm when exposed to the following: propaganda, uninteresting details, falsified information, lying, ignorance, stupidity, pig-headedness/stubbornness, and false doctrine. Seek immediate medical and psychiatric treatment if exposed to the facts and corrections he makes. If burn marks should appear accompanied by frustration and inability to comprehend, immediately seek out the nearest Bible and read it, starting at the beginning. Secondary exposure could lead to new permanent Biblical knowledge and understanding. This is your final and only warning.
Some of you may have seen this image before being used by e-terrorists and anti-Israel folks to spread their propaganda. What they fail to mention is shown in this version.
So when Hitler conquered Poland that land was Hilter's? (That's the best way I can explain this even though I understand that it was quite different)
Thats how the Muslim Arabs ("Palestinians") seem to think. The Hebrews were driven out and conquered and then replaced by Arab Muslims by the very people that drove the Hebrews out as part of a common practice in ancient times to keep a people from returning once conquered and driven away.
The lie is that the green represents "Palestinian land". It in fact represents what is listed at the bottom of the image.
The Palestinians rejected partition because it was an infringement on their natural rights. Shiploads of jews were turned around from ellis island in the 40's- sent right back to germany where they would be slaughtered- the US did not take them in after the holocaust either, because we were xenophobic (and still are). Israel is not a result of a loving world, it is the result of a hateful world, and whatever you want to call it, Israel was formed illegally.
How is restoring a people to their homeland "illegal"? Its not. Argument invalid.
Because you're basing the people's ownership of that land on their ancestry- or more accurately their ethnicity. That's why it's illegal.
This is an old argument, what's done is done- undoing it would only cause more misfortune and suffering.
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You do realize that Jordan is the part that was "Palestine", right? By the way, Jordan was also once part of Israel. They are just now claiming its the land of Israel just so they can have both while also driving away "the Jews".
It doesn't matter!
Image 1: Partially true. The British owned the land in the first place, and the agreement was that the land would divided between the Jewish and Palestinian ethnicities.
Image 2: A complete lie. The fighting began when Zionist settlers began expanding into territory that had been granted to the Palestinians by the British. While there were some Palestinians who responded with violence, the vast majority was in favor of diplomatic negotiations. The truth is, there are actually two main branches of the Palestinian independance movement: Hamas, an extremist branch that considers itself at war with the Israeli government, and the PLO, a far more moderate group that is the actual legal representative of Palestine.
Image 3: Partially true. While those areas were officially occupied by the Jordanian and Egyptian governments, the majority of the populace were migrants who had moved in when the area was previously unoccupied. In other words, most of the people there were those who had lived there for hundreds of years before Israelis and Jordanians began swarming in.
Image 4: Wrong by a long shot. The Palestinian States were not "created" by the Israeli government. The Palestinians declared their independence, and the Israel government responded with military occupation.
The truth is, many Palestinians are becoming more and more uninterested in having a separate state. They're perfectly fine with being governed by Israel, all they really want is to be treated is equals. So long as the Israeli government discriminates against them, the violence will continue, because their actions are what drive many Palestinians to commit such great atrocities. I'm not saying that their acts of terror can be justified by claiming to act in the name of equality, I'm just saying that the problem is not as one-sided as you constantly paint it to be.
Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't know the British had the authority to grant land that belongs to God (which means it was never theirs)! God gave it to the Hebrews, period. He even said that even if they break His covenant, He would never do so. He caused them to be driven out (temporarily as He stated) and never once said it was no longer for them. The British gov't (nor anyone else) has higher authority than God. End of story.
Here you go again, trying to use the Bible as some sort of shield to justify the horrors that have happened in that area of the world. Nowhere in the Bible does God command the Israelites to fight the inhabitants who lived there peacefully (Phoenicians, Moabites, Greek and Egyptian colonists, etc). Secondly, He never said that all the land would belong to the Israelites alone. While He did command the Israelites to fight the tribes who had been harrassing both them and their neighbors since the dawn of Mesopotamian civilization, that cannot be used as an excuse to root out an oppressed people who are merely fighting for their right to exist. Modern Palestinians aren't even RELATED to the Canaanites, so if you're going to try and use some pathetic "blood-lines" excuse, I'd save it for another time.
Secondly, the Bible has always had a very uncomfortable (at best) relationship with politics and power struggles. Don't believe me? Maybe it's about time you actually picked up a Bible and start READING IT instead of just picking out what you think justfies the needless violence in Israel.
Okay I'm just going to say this: Good luck with your excuses when its your turn to be judged. I wonder what you will say to the Almighty when you get to the part about your attitude towards His chosen people. May He have mercy upon your soul. Your twisting of scripture and your attempts to "move the goalposts" will not work on God. I do read my Bible. I've read the ENTIRE Bible and I believe EVERYTHING God has said, unlike you. Your words are meaningless to me and they do not nullify the words that God Himself spoke. You continue to commit blasphemy by claiming all this bull contrary to God's word and by doing so you are calling God a liar and usurper, which is what you and those like you are.
Hey pal dont talk to the "Yuribeard7" hes claiming thinks from a religion. With people like that their is no logical conversation. Hes yust a **** and can claim what he want with his precious "Bible". **** him . . .