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How many people have read the moddb.com TOS?

"Must not contain copyright material "

"The mod is unique and original and not in violation of anothers intellectual property."

I've been watching the scoreboard for a little while, lots of votes for Stargate Mods, awesome.

I'd rotflol if it weren't such a sorry state of affairs.

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five_damned_dollarz
five_damned_dollarz - - 74 comments

I agree, I can't believe how many people seem to have little/no originality :( It's pretty sad that people have to make mods about pre-existing franchises, eg. DragonBall Z, Stargate, etc.
I can realize that these may just be testing for the persons skill, but there is so many :(

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BunnyJen
BunnyJen - - 886 comments

The games industry does need something different and a lot of the time modders can contribute to that...i agree with you though. If people are just changing a couple of aspects of the game, there should be some kinda of originality or gimmick about the mod. I understand if maybe it is their first attempt and they are just gettig to grips with things, but it's nice to see different ideas that haven't been seen before :)

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mikejkelley Author
mikejkelley - - 874 comments

I understand too that people sometimes use existing IPs to make games because they are die hard fans and simply want to play a specially themed game, but I don't think that they should be allowed to profit from their theft by winning prizes/awards. Especially since IP theft is in direct contravention of moddb.com's TOS and results in a completely uneven playing field.

If this continues, you'll see even fewer original ideas (it boggles the mind, but it's possible!) because ppl will see that they can take an existing blockbuster, do less work (or no work in terms of design/story), and win more.

Aside from lagging behind in the graphics department, you soon won't be able to tell the mod community apart from the games industry.

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five_damned_dollarz
five_damned_dollarz - - 74 comments

Which will be a major problem for us because when teams DO decide to make cool, new, original ideas people won't play them because they are so busy playing 'Simpsons: Source' or something of that nature which is likely to damage a lot of us who DO put effort into originality and design/story

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mikejkelley Author
mikejkelley - - 874 comments

exactly.

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mikejkelley Author
mikejkelley - - 874 comments

Even worse, to paraphrase, when a person DOES decide to make a cool, new, original game people won't help make it because they are too busy making the latest DragonBall Z/Star Wars/Trek/Gate mod. Most of the modding talent is divided up amongst the glut of rip-offs.

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BunnyJen
BunnyJen - - 886 comments

Yeah it's a shame...I think perhaps a lot of the problem is that more and more people are getting into games, they aren't as 'nerdy' as a few years ago, infact they are gradually becoming closer to films. This means more and more people are taking interest in them, but a lot of 'casual' gamers are also discovering you can mod existing games quite easily..the tools are easy to get hold of and to them it is just a bit of fun to play about with. Perhaps they aren't interested in making 'true' original mods, and just messing about. Perahps that is one angle to look at it from?

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mikejkelley Author
mikejkelley - - 874 comments

could be, I think though that by definition a 'casual' gamer wouldn't be someone who mods. It is easier to mod these days, but I would've thought that would free ppl up to work on the more creative aspects of game design. Of course, that's not what has happened, but it would've been nice...

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BunnyJen
BunnyJen - - 886 comments

Yeah ...I have a few friends who play causally and they are interested in what I do so they are always asking how to do it..it's certainly a lot more accessible for people. Oh and sorry for using your comment :P I was just trying to be funny, I guess it was not ha ha, I like to try and get some attemtion for our mod because I think its a lot more creative than many you find about, even if it is a little rough around the edges :)

I personally don't see the appeal in re-using assets or ideas from existing games...I love coming up with stuff and saying "I did this." It's a lot more rewarding!

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mikejkelley Author
mikejkelley - - 874 comments

re: comment theft, It's OK, I forgive you. :) And yes, Planet Fall is more creative than the majority of mods out there.

"I love coming up with stuff and saying "I did this." It's a lot more rewarding!"

Exactly.

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BunnyJen
BunnyJen - - 886 comments

Dream Casters Duel looks very interesting! Just had a nosey at that..love the cell shaded rendering!

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mikejkelley Author
mikejkelley - - 874 comments

Thnx! I trust I can rely on your vote? :)

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BunnyJen
BunnyJen - - 886 comments

Sure i'll vote for you :) although I have already voted for First Contact....I'll try and vote for yours and see if it lets me :)

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mikejkelley Author
mikejkelley - - 874 comments

Here's a cursory list of the top 100 mods that violate moddb.com's TOS, as well as copyright law, and are therefore ineligible to compete. If you believe a mod has been included here erroneously, or if I've left some out, please contact me. :)

Back To The Future: Hill Valley

Barneys Tales (BS remake on Source)

Battlestar Galactica Fleet Commander

Black Mesa

BSG: Beyond the Red Line

Chronicles: Total Conversion

CnC Reborn

DAWN OF THE DEAD

DragonBall Source

Dune: Arrakian Wars

First Strike

Follow Freeman Half Life 2 Coop

Grand Theft Auto:007

Half life 2: Wars

Halo: First Offensive

Halo: Homefront

Jurassic Park

MechWarrior: Living Legends

MINERVA

Movie Battles II

Operation Black Mesa

Perfect Dark:Source

Phoenix Rising

Project Revolution

Red Alert 2: Apocalypse Rising

Renegade 2007

SourceForts

Star Trek: Enterprise – TCW

Star Wars : The New Era

Stargate : La Relève

Stargate : The Enemy Within

Stargate : The New Enemy

Stargate Empire at War

The Fourth Age: Total War

The Real World

Tiberian Dawn

Tiberian Eclipse

Tiberian Sun Rising

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jacksonj04
jacksonj04 - - 631 comments

It's not there because we want to squash the mods, it's more of a backup so that if the IP owners complain we can cite the bits in the ToS if the mod starts arguing. We try not to make a habit of it.

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mikejkelley Author
mikejkelley - - 874 comments

I realize that and I don't want to see those mods squashed either, but...

if they're die hard fans of an IP, fine, let them mod for the love of it. My point is that they shouldn't be allowed to profit from what amounts to theft.

Intense! has flatly refused to add an "originality" (i.e. non-IP infringing mods) category to MOTY (despite claiming to have solicited suggestions for MOTY categories, and despite obvious support for such a category

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The result is that moddb.com's tagline "play something different" has become laughable irony as the mod scene further resembles the games industry more and more each day.

The fact of the matter is, mods with new ideas can't compete with movie mods who have had hundreds of highly paid professionals do their design, story, and world-wide advertising work for them.

The ONLY solution? Stop rewarding theft. Start rewarding "something different".

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