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I'm sure any state that has an official religious view tends to oppress it's people...
Again, North Korean's aren't killing because they're atheists, they're killing because they're authoritarian.
You defend religion by saying wars are started by politics yet turn around and say that wars (wars that are started very obviously for politics) are started by atheists. lel
When has anyone been persecuted by atheists?
I think Obama takes too much flak- he hasn't done a single thing requiring his impeachment, and I'm not trying to generalize, but every time I hear someone talk about 'impeaching' Obama, I can't help but think our nations' conservatives have become rather immature.
Oh crap I posted that a year ago-
I'm disturbed that so many people on moddb are beginning to post (and take stock in) these political quizzes.
Yes, but Israel would have better justification- would they not?
Then Galileo came along and blew much of Newton's hypothesis out of the water with the sacrilege we know today as science.
This article is bull. Religion and morality are two very different things.
Come on Evan, let it goooooooo
Actually I'd agree that most if not all wars in Europe were over politics and greed, but religion was what allowed these vile people to create armies of the poor, young, and stupid to fight for them.
I was wrong in saying Hitler was a self proclaimed Christian, I've done my own research and found that there's a lot of evidence that points either way. Regardless, chances are neither Hitler or Stalin did what they did because of their views on religion.
Religion was targeted by the communists because it was a power threat, not because the communists disagreed with the fundamentals of religion. I would go as far to say these were authoritarians, not communists, as communist ideologies do not necessitate the absence of religion- these authoritarians were not attacking people because they were atheists.
That's exactly my point, but calling them churches holds religious connotation- I guess it would be better to call them communal centers.
Now you have to stop throwing the Stalin thing around, Stalin did not commit his crimes because he was an atheist, and he certainly wouldn't have been any different had he affiliated himself with any particular religion- it's an unfounded argument in and of itself.
I'm fine with insulting eachother, but your image contains mere speculation and doesn't point out any trend visible in society apart from the guy with the sign. Atheists are (more often than not) offensive and inflammatory towards other religions, but we are in no way intolerant- we still live side by side with religious people, and in being atheist one must accept that we'll live our lives surrounded by people of faith. We don't use this as an excuse to limit their rights of expression or try to hurt these people regardless of whether or not they try to utilize these methods against us. I'd say inflammatory speech is rude and unsightly, but it's not at all unfair or impeding on one's natural rights.
You need to grow out the beard and tie some vikingesque braids on it
It doesn't matter!
This is great xD
After the camp Bastion incident in 2012 two USMC Major Generals were relieved of service even though the failure was a result of a lack of funding.
The US has done a lot, and we actually haven't dropped a single "bomb". A lot of the operations in Afghanistan have been tough combat operations, but more than anything else, we've begun to use communication and *real* diplomacy with Afghan leaders over recent years, and you'll find that many of these medals are well deserved regardless of whether or not they're combat medals.
You might want to do some research here, because it doesn't sound like you know much of anything about the US military or any other for that matter.
I'm with you there brother
Pope Francis is actually completely different- look him up
Elf, you have a fair point, but like you said yourself, science is more about disproving than it is about proving.
The god conclusion is usually a brick wall when it's brought into being, many scientists don't like getting mixed up in philosophy and religion because within the next decade the evidence they have will be null- if you believe in god, understand that you're climbing the tower of Babel, and you will never find him with science or anything else- only your faith would bring you closer. If you don't believe, it's pretty much the same, nothing will prove or disprove him, so it really is a waste of time for scientists to mull over the idea of god regardless of whether or not they believe in him. The bible is subjective and interpretative, if anything science helps you better understand your religion, it helps show you what your holy texts don't mean rather than what they do mean.
Maybe they did rethink it- honestly I don't really care. Just because they didn't agree with you doesn't mean they didn't give it a fair deal of thought.
Chances are they've tried the same with you.
I know he did.
To some I'm extreme, to others I'm too submissive- perspective plays the largest part here.
But no, I'm not tired of this at all, I'm intrigued if anything. Maybe it'll eventually wear off, but I enjoy the discussion for now.
I could agree with you to some extent- any organized group of people can be considered a circlejerk, but I find it necessary to mention that I'm an atheist because I chose to be one, not because someone else chose it for me, and in a way, I'm simply jerking myself- coincidentally, others here are jerking themselves for the same reason, so sure, we look like a circle jerk, but we are a loose confederation of wankers.
For the most part I'm just glad I'm not being jerked by some priest.
I didn't ask you about your beliefs, I'm just saying there was hypocrisy in your statement that could easily lead to the same judgement you've been dealing out.
The atheist group doesn't dehumanize- they often insult, but keep in mind that what they say has the objective of questioning one's beliefs, not hurting the person themselves.
I once considered myself a Christian- hell, I even thought I could talk to god, but I've learned that this god is in fact my conscience, and I did so by listening- others would insult and demean such beliefs- at that time I thought these people were stupid, in a way I still do, but I've learned a great deal from listening, as it's caused me to at least question the ideals that I live by.
I think irrational atheist would be a good term to use here. Maybe some day the term "militant atheist" will become relevant, but it certainly isn't in this day and age.
Stalin was a militant AND an atheist as opposed to a militant atheist (i.e one who is militant as a result of being atheist or justifying their violence with atheism)
Hitler was in fact a self-proclaimed christian, albeit, not a good one- go ahead and look that up for yourself
Define a crusade against religion- it's not like we're waging a war or engaging in some sort of ethnic cleansing- we are making our opinions heard. One's beliefs are up to them and them alone.
Now as for the "Atheist mega-churches", those are really support groups to show solidarity among non-believers (as well as show some believers that atheism really isn't a direct attack on their culture)- I'm not going to deny the existence of radical groups, as those are bound to exist, but part of removing religion is filling the communal gap that's left over. It's nothing more than an affirmation of ideals that's been blown up by a consumer-media.
Saying Dawkins would be proud of his flock is the exact kind of behavior you're supposedly speaking out against.
Based on your comment, Knight, one could use your own logic to call you a religious extremist.
True. I'd still like to point out that atheists, although we may be a fiery bunch of people, don't tend to be violent. I'm not trying to justify this kind of behavior, but insensitivity isn't something that should be directly associated with ignorance- and ignorance, not insensitivity, is one of the attributes I see often in radical theists.
hehe... he called you a cowf*cker
So long as Evanp isn't physically hurting anyone or threatening to do so, I really don't care what he says- naturally it's up to debate and he should enter such verbal melees knowing he'll be treated in the same manner.
Now it seems to me that this was a private conversation, and it's between you and Evan- if you want to talk about 'atheist extremism', that's more than ok, as a matter of fact I encourage it, but by all means don't go around posting private conversations. Just use a stock image or something, we'll get the point.
And Evan, remember that verbal flame wars are all good fun, but they won't solve anything. They only go as far as deepening the disconnect between theists and atheists.
Would you seriously expect someone to rethink their opinion after being called a cowf*cker?
Now hold on- you're saying that as if it's disappointing or at all surprising- the "American dream" has always been the ability to be a moneywhoring slob- it's just said with different phrases and connotations.
Black Friday may not exist in other countries, but everyone has their own disgusting and abhorrent cultural traits- we aren't at all unique in that regard and a small minority of consumerist idiots is in no way a viable representation of the average American's character.
People can say what they want, but the US gets criticized for just about everything we do- many of these criticisms are well placed, but often people (this includes Americans as well) have a black and white viewpoint about us. Where do we get off criticizing a holiday about buying things? Who cares? What are we supposed to do, ban Black Friday? Should we not expect some people to go crazy over this stuff?
Between my last comment and now, I've done a bit of research-
I'm beginning to think this backlash regarding Black Friday is an overreaction. Is this really about having a critical voice on a broken society, or is it about simply finding affirmation among those who agree with us?
tl;dr Your comment got me to seriously think about this issue
I will- I'm not adding unfinished content to the modpage though- you understand