Your opinion is not necessarily mine; Your opinion is not fact; Your opinion is not absolute. Your opinion is a perspective.
I will leave a final remark in regard to my values, which I >choose< to re-evaluate as often as I can, which is why I don't expect every influence to be agreeable with me. (If I did I would have said something months ago about your humor posts). I said how I felt about it, not what I expected nor believed Joshua.
And everyone interested in subjects such as politics and religion gotta deal with such things every day, a result of the information society we live in. Or well, the North Koreans don't. ;)
In any case, I am not interested in a debate, at the risk of falling into a certain stereotype, you could say I got TRIGGERED by your post along with the first comment to it ;D
As a joke though. Not sure that counts.
Even if no one is generalizing, there is something to be said for the amount of anti-liberal posts, I was fine with it a few months ago but now its starting to feel like an agenda.
But alas, this is not to place to discuss it and people can post what they want.
Or maybe that picture have a very different context where it is a lot less ridiculous, but rather than consider that, I suppose its easier to adhere to the idea that she is stupid/crazy/living in a bubble, instead of simply being bisexual or simply just interesting in knowing if she Might.. be Lesbian or Bisexual.
Ah but what do I know, I'm just one of those silly Liberals whom therefor obviously believes in 30 different genders (Like all liberals! Or well, at least "most") and personally has a sexual identification towards Apache helicopters.
This raises a lot of questions... the least serious of which is;
Roman Empire rip off? I mean we are all Rome fan boys but c'mon. It could be made a little less obvious xD
Someone is taking things to seriously ;)
Aren't these the Republic Senate Guard? :P
Even if they had asked for your defense for your char, it still wouldn't have been approved Milos. There is nothing you could have said there other than to appeal to them through a subjective series of arguments. Even then, it doesn't matter, it still wouldn't have been approved, whether they should in principle have asked more questions or inquire to context etc, the end result is the same.
The only argument here is of principle, to which Wout and AK have already more or less conceded to.
His comments are no more passive-aggressive than yours are. Tit for tat mate ;)
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I think I'll make more of a general response to both Milos and Wout above.
Leading an Insurgency inside the Empire, was always going to be a challenge, not just in the sense that IC, said Insurgency, would face enormous odds in terms of resources, but also have to take into consideration that every opportunity affords a counter opportunity for the Empire. In order to guarantee success, any operation and or event would pretty much always going to be done in close cooperation with the GMs, just as the Empires efforts would have to be since ALL RELEVANT INFORMATION, to take ANY ACTION, can only be obtained through the GMs, which has lead to this point.
That's not to say there was no way to do this Insurgency without the GMs. It can be done, at least to a certain degree, but every argument otherwise having taken place with the GMs would just have been with Branden instead, or vice versa.
Part of me wished I had taken the time to plan out stuff with you Milos, because I fully understand your perspective, even if I disagree with it most of the time, but in the end it can't become my battle. Just as why felt like it might be counter-productive for you to ask for my feedback yesterday. Because I had to feeling even before I saw your argumentation that I might be inclined to side with the GMs once provided with their side of the story.
But I will say that some of the cases you have provided does have some level of merit to them, even if they are hardly the whole truth. Even if the consensus reached at the end of this "appeal" is that you are wrong (I don't think you are, but neither are you right IMO, its simply not that simple. Pun intended), this should still be a learning experience for the GMs for them to consider a different approach.
The way I see it, the GMs have been very motivated in order to help you figure out how to get your events running, and your stuff approved. But they probably went about it in a way that wasn't constructive in your case, and it is very clear that both you and the GMs have gone into this expecting something from the other party which was never going to happen. The difference being that the GMs have the ability to force things, where as you did not. The latter have of course led to you adopting a depressive outlook on the last 2-3 months.
One of your strongest points, and we discussed it yesterday privately, is perhaps the Faction Leader issue. I still think your access to the PM is irrelevant. But I agree you need all the relevant information. Fleets, Sector security, contingency plans and most practical info. Now there are special circumstances from time to time that will blur the line, but everything to NEED TO KNOW as OOC leader, needs to be made available to you of course, so must all RELEVANT information that your character knows IC.
I think, for the most part that is what I have to say atm. I don't wanna delve into your proposed char Milos, I know you mean well, but Anime or not, it was never going to get approved. If you truly believed it was going to get approved, bias or not, I would have to reevaluate the credibility of everything else you have said so far.
Indeed. Context is required Milos.
Wisdom doesn't equal having the right, nor the ability, nor the talent for Command.
As for the skill tree, its in the works. I'm just going through some writers block with the descriptions. And when I ask for help people mysteriously disappear, so I must not the only one. xD
Skewed logic at best, lel
"As far as the Supreme Commander and I are concerned, those crates were there when we arrived. Seems like they weren't garbage at all. Who could have known." The captain said and then pondered for a moment or two.
"Gather your best men tomorrow at 0500 local time and we'll see what we can do." The captain says and then leaves.
Less than 10 seconds after the Commando Captain taps the Jedi on the shoulder.
"You requested my presence Sunrider." The captain says as he and his team had been watching from a unlit corner of room. They had followed the team that brought in the crates, they had expected an invite. They were also a bit curious themselves as they had not seen what was inside.
A few of the crates contain medical supplies and rations, some were more interesting and were filled vibrodaggers, camouflaged gear, blasters and grenades. But it was always presumed the Insurgency wasn't in desperate need of these things.
The larger crates were roughly 2x1 in size and there were 10 of them. Inside was ACD1-AICs, also known as Advanced Combat Droids.
"Favoritism is easily the death of an effective and experienced commander structure. Not to mention that I pick very little, there are quite a few Admirals and various ranks below mine whom all have the power to promote someone Mr. Orthanec." Drayson answers the merc.
"And no need to apologize, he but speaks his mind at a time when formality is not needed."
Drayson press something on his wrist and a moment of two later, Draysons ship decloaks next to the crates.
"Time to go, don't expect me back for another visit I would prefer not to test fate in the middle of Imperial space anytime soon." He says as he boards a ramp that have lowered.
"And next time, move your garbage pile so guests have a better place to land Mr Sunrider." He says as he points to the crates and the ships fires up its engines and begins to take off.
While waiting for the merc, Drayson let the silence between them remain while he typed in something on two small datapads. After a few minutes he handed them both to Captain Verlern.
"Do you understand your orders Captain?" Drayson asks him.
"I do, sir." he responds.
"Good, now give me the first one, no need for you to carry more than one." Drayson says. Verlern does as requested after which Drayson throws it on the ground, pull out one of his Heavy Blaster pistols and fire three shots into it in rapid succession.
"You and your men may set up camp in the crevice, or wherever you find it best suited to observe this Insurgency." Drayson tells the Captain. "I shall endeavor to report daily Sir." he says. He salute the Supreme Commander and then takes his leave.
"Good. Now, I presume the merc will arrive soon so we can say our farewells."
OOC: So sorry guys, somehow I kept getting distracted from this event (MILOS), I had not realized it had been two days. My bad.
"Yes. Lets move topside." Drayson said. "You're welcome to join us Orthanec, Mr. Sunrider share everything with you anyway." He told the merc.
Drayson now looks to S'vashi. "I'm sure we'll see each other again Commander." and then promptly leaves the room, the Commandos following suit including Captain Verlern.
Some time later they have moved onto some a lightly forested area near the fissure, there he stops. Nearby are a large amount of crates stacked, some small and quite a bit larger.
Now they are just repeating themselves Drayson thought to himself. He did not care to discuss this part any further. So ignoring most of what had been said, Drayson stands up.
"Mr. Sunrider. The situation for the Republic have changed with the election of our new Chancellor, whom have given me strict orders not to begin nor resume any offensive operations. Regretfully on behalf of the Republic I must decline your request for further aid.
However, seeing as the potential diplomatic fallout of our insurgency support is already at risk, I will leave one of my security squads here as observers. I suspect you will find their company most reassuring and perhaps even helpful." Drayson says, before turning to one of the commandos at his side.
"Captain Velern. You think your squad is up for the task of.. observing this insurgency?" Drayson asks him.
"Aye sir, should be interesting." He affirms
"Good I'll draft your specific orders before I leave: Now unless someone have anything else to discuss, I will return to my ship, I would prefer to leave within the hour. Sunrider, you should meet me topside before we go." He says, waiting a moment to see if anyone had anything else to say.
I will comment when you done, and this isn't incomplete. At the very least you should have made a skill limit. Otherwise gauging the full picture is a futile exercise seeing as these trees could be extremely underpowered or overpowered depending on what assumptions one might make.
Also, I never liked the Force power list, but I am not looking forward to everyone homecooking their force powers. I don't doubt what people makes up are possible, but I doubt the way people intend to use said powers are going to be nothing less than BS, not being a force user myself I expect to be on the receiving end of that. Lol
"I'm intrigued. However, perhaps its best not to delve further into the details just yet." Drayson says. He to had no further comment just yet. Before he made any promises of support he would wait until all other topics are addressed, if any.
"You can disagree and speculate all you want S'vashi. I'll stick to the facts, until they change or new ones come to light, I remain unmoved in the lightest by your warnings. Not that I am ignorant of them, they too have been considered, but alas they remain speculation."
Drayson pauses for a moment to take a drink, after all he didn't bring it just for showing off. In truth he had forgotten he even had it until a drink was offered. It had a sour almost spoiled taste, but it gave a refreshing feeling that was always sorely needed on the longer days.
"Besides agreeing with S'vashi on the rest, I find your little droid plan very intriquing. May I ask, what kind of imperial droid have you.. converted?"
"If Republic special forces were to engage the Imperials in their own space, I can guarantee you they are the least likely factor to prove our involvement." Drayson responds to the merc. Listening to Sunrider, Drayson have more than one suggestion however he decides to wait until the right time to share his ideas.
The next that speak is S'vashi, after listening to her, Drayon still holding the metal flask below the table, begins to squeeze it unless the metal bent slightly. If S'vashi had really chosen her words perfectly, she would have done so differently and under different circumstances. Drayson didn't buy it. Even if what she said was true then she failed because the point would have been to challenge Sunriders and Orthanecs perception, not his. No, she would have to come up with a much better excuse than that to explain away that blunder of perception.
In the interest of time and for the sake of ensuring a productive meeting however, he was willing to let the matter drop. And then, despite claiming to be pointing out an Imperial perception she falls right back into it when criticizing how the Insurgency will look and then moving on the explain why the Resistance TERRORIST attacks are somehow above reproach simply because they were large scale, successful or critical. As if the first is always possible, the second always a guarantee and the latter always needed.
With no small amount of effort, Drayson resist commenting on it.
Moving on to S'vashi's latter thoughts and questions he contemplates for a moment. Concerned about just who in the meeting could even be considered trustworthy considering that many different agendas being pushed, he avoids answering some of them.
"You fear mobilization. They are already. You fear a revitalization of their military. They did that less than a year ago. Upping their security? Clamping down hard on civilians? They have done so in the past and without having to justify it using a rebellion as an excuse." All of this was true before this insurgency and will be after should it fail Drayson thought to himself.
"S'vashi is right about one thing, while we do not know your long term strategies, attacking random targets, at least without tactical or strategic reasoning for doing so, is wasting precious opportunities."
"Terrorist strikes? You should choose your words carefully considering that this "terrorist attack" is completely the same thing the resistance used to do in their uprising against the Empire, which later led to the formation of the Federation and later the consolidation into the Republic we all now serve. Tell me, was it not led by a Jedi? What makes it so wrong for him to do the same thing the Jedi Order once did, their situation is the same as our once was.
But oh wait! Now that we can sit in our temples, protected by hundreds of Jedi knights and a battalion of elite soldiers, not to mention the Republic armies and fleets that protects our free democratic society, we can sit back and pass such hypocritical judgement on others.. On grounds of what? Morality?". Drayson responds, seeming almost furious about how hypocritical the Jedi was being.
"Excuse me if I do not buy into your lopsided morality. As for your confirmation of Republic involvement, I have confirmed nothing that Mr. Sunrider here haven't already gossiped about it seems. As for the publicity of it all, I believe that may be the point is it not. If you have issues with it, make it clear to everyone that any all and all Jedi aiding his are cast from the order and banned from Republic space, and make sure the Empire knows it as well." Drayson turns his head and looks to Skye.
"In addition to wishing to know the answer to S'vashi's questions, I am curious as to just how many you intend to inform of Republic involvement.?
OOC: What makes you so sure there is a difference?
"Proper soldiers? What you are asking for are men and women who go above and beyond that definition. Your cause have a long way to go for the Republic to consider putting some of our elite units under the command of what is essentially a foreign insurgency. I am hesitant at best." Drayson says before turning to S'svashi.
"Tell me again S'svashi, how did the Jedi come by the knowledge of this operation?" He asks.
Drayson takes a seat, he have left all but two of the SpecForce commandos outside. After all, better not to antagonize anyone. He gives all the attendees another look, he was not familiar with the merc nor his reasons for fighting for this insurgency. S'svashi he knew much better, although he was very much curious whom had given S'svashi the security clearance to even know about the covert Republic efforts. He certainly did not, perhaps this validated a personal visit to Commander Umbra for an explanation.
A more simply explanation was that the Insurgents leadership was a bunch a loudmouths. Perhaps the terms of Republic support should be renegotiated.
When offered something to drink, Drayson shook his head and pulled out a small flask from a belt pocket. "I'm good." he said with a wry smile. Looking at his own flak for a moment he suddenly remembered how it had been ages since he'd taken some time off, or celebrated something. But most of his old friends were dead, the rest are unable to look past his rank, whether they are on or off duty.. Burdens of command? There was a time when he would have sworn off any major rank. How things change..
"I think you can proceed with the meeting Sunrider. Unless someone else have a pressing desire to draw things out?" He candidly asks.
"Jedi." Drayson responds in a condescending tone. His dislike of the Jedi were no secret, especially not to the Jedi. So there was no point in hiding it, not that he would have otherwise, the pretense of humility or respect would be the greater offense than the lack thereof from Draysons perspective. It always reinforced his views of the Jedi that when it came to him, they always did just that.
In response to Sunriders offer, he declined. "While I would appreciate seeing what becomes of our... lend lease.. I would rather not stay in Imperial space too long. You never know who might abandon their principles.. causes.. or loyalties coming face to face with what may be the biggest pay day of their lives." He says.. glancing towards the Cyborg.
"Lead the way. Sunrider."
Soon after S'vashi's arrival, a small group arrives. Wearing light armor and equipped with mostly the basic gear of a normal Republic Trooper, albeit without the markings, Malan Drayson makes his way towards the group. He is flanked by two SpecForce units, more commonly known as Republic Commandos, which are much more well equipped although they are also without any markings for the occasion. Exactly how they arrived and by which means are unclear, but they seem to have arrived just in time for the meeting.