Your opinion is not necessarily mine; Your opinion is not fact; Your opinion is not absolute. Your opinion is a perspective.
Vacation. In Serbia? Is that possible? xD
R.I.P Christopher Lee, aka Dracula, Saruman and Count Doku. :(
I didn't say they couldn't be subjective.
It does differentiate through time, and as we can see, mostly for the better. You mention we once cut off hands of thiefs and killed people for petty crimes, since we don't anymore I think we can safely claim that progression has happened in terms of morality.
Statistically, few modern governments do. Oppression is not as easy today as was centuries ago. A time when religious figureheads was the dominant source of morality btw.
I am not even gonna try and compare bestiality and pedophilia. But in the case of pedophilia it is a matter of maturity of mind. It has been scientifically proved that children introduced to sex, willingly or not, tend to, if not almost always, develop psychological disorders. Its not a matter of consent or lack of suffering during the act. It is about ensuring, the current and future wellfare of the individual. That, is the objective reasoning behind why it is wrong. It is in no way subjective morality.
You say without a god, right and wrong may fall prey to the changes to society. Yes you are right, but belief in a god(s) isn't foolproof either.
Relying on a god to dictate right and wrong or "good and evil", in the end still depends on what god people decides to believe in. In the past people have worshiped all kinds of gods, even other people whom they truly believed to be gods.
You're right, subjective morality is very flawed. After all, like most things its SUBJECTIVE, and has a large root in culture. As for kids taking up guns, I would say the above reasoning applies again. The same objective morality would condemn this because of a childs underdeveloped mind (In this case depends on its parents to provide guidance in life), just as it would condemn a pedophile.
One last note, I have Never... heard of a pedophile apologist. If you mistook my comments as apologizing for them, you misunderstand my meaning. I was arguing against the terms "good" and "Evil" as relevant terms in regard to morality.
"Without a source for morality, there is no such thing as good or evil."
And why is there a need for good and evil to exist? When all we need is the philosophy/concept of right and wrong. Using the concepts as right or wrong, we obligate ourselves to become better than we are and stand by our modern interpretation of these. Which by the way, in most if not all nations, does NOT morally support pedophilia and such.
No offense to anyone, but the word "evil" seems like a word that is most used when people fail to understand something. That said, I use the word myself at times but while I might completely detest what someones does and think what they are doing is wrong, labeling them as evil without any knowledge of them beyond their actions is definitely not being morally correct.
From my perspective, the terms good and evil merely unfairly labels people. Perhaps motsly in case of the latter. FX, some known instances of rape of children as been done by mentally ill people, some with adult bodies yet the mind of a six year old, causing an inner mental and biological conflict they themselves are incapable of understanding.
Are they evil? No. Was what they did wrong? Yes.
AK's suggestions seems very reasonable and they are hard to disagree with to be honest, my own lack of faith in people aside xD
That said, when it comes to fx astromechs/combat droids, we all know what they can and can't do (more or less), when it comes to the AI debate, we are talking about something more grand in scope I presume? AI's with the ability to hack a planets defenses, highly protected government and military systems and the like. Not astromechs hacking doors or combat droids providing a fast combat analysis and response (or similar).
I think it would help decision making, and the discussion itself, if Ori was to present his perspective/argument as well her in this thread.
OOC: Nope. Still full-right :P
Repeat after me.
"I swear to uphold the principles which best serves the RP community... and Headhunter
I will strive to be unbiased and neutral in all judgments... but still favor Headhunter.
I will conform to the limitations of the game master position... and only break those upon Headhunters advice"
OOC: Remember our conversation Milos? I really hate being right all the time, as arrogant as it sounds xD
You may wanna stop re-running the socio-psycological event-circle that people do when it concerns Brandon. Let him find his own path.
The end is nigh.
Certain people wont stop harassing me about not posting this, so here it is. xD
Ori'verda (Milos) is "Draice" and Jedi Knight, Mace (Joe) is "Saryn", Pain (Omar) is "Deltasec" and I'm the recorder obviously (Jakob) playing as Jainai . -Included our real names names in case of any confusion :P
Let me know if the link doesn't work
OOC: Apologies for the delay. Completely forgot.
"Vice Admiral?" he mumbles. A bit surprised, he takes a moment. Straightens his back and salutes. "Thank you Senator. I am honored to be granted this rank and I will wear the Wings of Vice Admiral with honor and respect."
I think a reasonable time has passed now Joe :P
Malan, having waited for the very busy senator to finish up his work, now finally escapes the waiting room and is invited into the Senators office by Serena, his secretary.
Doesn't make sense, either you are in control or not. How can you make someone use forcepowers or attack the enemy but not pick up a gun and shoot themselves?
And yes, I doubt a Jedi would use it against someones will. But they still could, just because someone is roleplaying a Jedi doesn't mean they would ask permission.
*Force Alliance/Rule (Light Side/Dark Side Alignment, Hidden Datacron)
Request/Takeover control of another and combine your powers. For three turns you may use another character including its powers in addition to your own (Force powers included only with Force users). Be warned as the caster will be left quite defenceless.*
- Only takes one turn to get someone to commit suicide.
Still overseeing the efforts made to rebuild Bakura and sending out patrols to secure the borders, Malan Drayson is in orbit on board the flagship of the ORF when he receives the message from the Senator.
Malan hands over the command to the next senior officer and orders for his ship to be prepared. He boards his X-83 where his personal astromech greats him excitedly. "Lucky, set a course for Eriadu."
OOC: Well, I seem to have been underranked considering what I am allowed to command. I am Officer III.
You are Commander II right?
What did we figure out Joe? Was it Rear Admiral for tier 2?
*Aurora Scouts are deployed to follow the retreating ships from a safe distance.
OOC: Done :)
All remaining Star Destroyers in the Federation Fleet focus fire once again unto the Tyrano Cruisers, obliterating them and robbing the enemy ships of their energy supply.
The remaining ships in the enemy main armada lose their increased firepower and the previous pressure on the Federation fleet lessens greatly, allowing it to reform and protect those ships still left vulnerable while beginning to mob up the rest of the enemy cruisers.
Malan Drayson decides that until the fleet can recover and depending on the Status of battlesquadron Dragos, pursuit may be unwise and unwarranted. As the orders are delegated out, he turns to the Comm Officer and request for a rapport being sent to the Federation High Command and Senator Windu respectively.
"Also add that we while begin to secure the sector and will await further orders, be they to stand down or pursue."
The fleet comes under tremendous stress due to the enemy somehow having weapons far more advanced than anything in the galaxy, being able to channel that much firepower. So much in fact that Drayson almost considers if he is fighting a force illusion. The shields on more and more ships throughout the fleet begins to fail and are blasted apart, among them two Nebula Star Destroyers.
On board the flagship, Drayson have the turbolaser batteries focus fire on the now exposed engines on the Tyrano Cruiser fleeing.
Corvettes seize the opportunity and hunts down the Carnotaur starfighters. K-wings exploit the same opportunity to get some heat off them and begins to target the weapons on the enemy ships. Seeing the trouble the fleet is in, they fire all their remaining missiles, taking out as many enemy weapons as possible as to ease the amount of enemy firepower bearing upon the fleet, but without destroying the ships.
Well, I always knew you were on love with me xD
Out of love for Mass Effect, Malan Drayson takes offense, slowly stands up from where he is sitting. While Aaron makes his long boring speech, he turns on the ship intercom for the crew to hear after having turned the volume down again on the TV and begins slowly singing...
"I am the very model of a military tactician, I've fought Imperial, Ssi-Ruuvian and Mandalorian.
I'm quite good at fighting (a result of my training) because I am an expert (which I know don't make sense)
My victories and defeats are heroic and valiant, I am the very model of a military tacticiaaannn!"
He is distracted as way number 99 to kill a Mandalorian is discussed and stops singing. How Mandalorian crotch armor can be an advantage to you in close combat... He sits down again.
As an afterthought he he quickly yes to Aaron; "Yes yes, I'm in. Just point me at the enemy."
Naturally his own crew is ecstatic over his amazing singing skills. if only they knew how good he was at ballet.
On board the flagship Viscount, named the Viscount, and with the Federation remnant fleet all around it repairing. Malan Drayson sits in his favorite chair and is extremely annoyed by the attempt to contact him and turns up the volume on the holonet show he's watching; 101 ways to insult a Mandalorian.
"Damn force users playing tricks on me again.." he mumbles
As the fleet begins the link up with the Starfighters that jumped behind the enemy. The Nexus corvettes comes to their apparent rescue and provide anti-starfighter screening.
At the front, or what was left of it. While outgunned, the K-wings were capable of protecting themselves efficiently, making use of their many and varied missiles to shoot down the enemy Carnotaurs, while making their own destruction difficult thanks to turrets and strong shields.
The Nebula Star Destroyers halts their advance as the Scythes become bogged down in fast moving combat with the enemy cruisers who's speed match their own. Drayson orders the Nebulas and his own flagship to target the damaged battlecruisers, focusing all their fire on them. Frigates and any K-wings and Crossfires with opportunity to do so follow Commander Umbras example and targets the enemy weaponsports.
While Drayson finds the whole situation with the enemys increased weapon power curios. However at the rate of which they lost their ships it would soon be a meaningless advantage. Even more so as the increase in weapon power couldn't possibly keep up with the lost ships without risk to their own weapons.
The Endurance carriers provide fire support to defend the rear of the Scythes and Nebulas.
Rofl. I didn't even think of that.
While the Ackbar Slash itself had little affect, it did achieve its purpose and broke up the enemy ranks, preventing them from using their superior numbers to their benefit in such close quarter combat.
As the Ssi-ruuvi combat clusters break in front of the Scythes, Drayson have them signaled for the next phase and they split into two directions exploiting the temporary break in formation, attacking into the middle of the left and right side of the second line(if I understand your formation right). Having been closely followed by the Nebula Star Destroyers, they now take up the center/front assault along with the flagship. Frigates and Corvettes step in as needed to hunt/screen against smaller ships or strikecraft trying to outmaneuver some of the larger ships and safeguard the rear.
The Endurance carriers follow suit along with the K-wing and their escorts. The K-wings, like the Scythes, break into two large group and assaults the enemy first line from the side, keeping them occupied. The carriers assist with their moderate firepower.
With the timely arrival of the reinforcements. Drayson activates the gravity well generators on his flagships the avoid the enemy using his own tactics against him and as to make sure any enemy reinforcements that may jump in will be pulled out of hyperspace early enough to counter.
As the enemy strikecraft leaves the various ship hangers, the Crossfires successfully complete their trench run in time. Decimating supposed bridges, engines and other high level targets. Those Crossfires protecting groups assigned to making the trench runs, attack the enemy strike craft as they leave their hangers and are vulnerable. As the enemy strikecraft starts to become organised, the trench run groups joins the fight, relying on their skills, superior technology and shields to keep them alive.
At the front, the enemy ships do seemingly not respond to the K-wing assault and remains static in their defense, all the missiles hit their intended targets. The K-wings along with their Crossfire escorts return to the main fleet
You know me well :)
But just to make it clear to other, I do not take this point. ;)
OOC: I think so.
OOC: I don't think it benefits Milos, but ok :P
After a monetary surprise by the number of enemy ships present, Drayson gets the fleet moving. The Crossfires and K-Wing heavy bombers move ahead of the fleet.
Most of the Crossfire Starfighters make a microjump, behind the enemy armada. Small and nimble enough to jump through both the enemy fleet formation and take into account the debris. They can rapidly turn and attack, targetting vulnerbale ships and the two battlecruisers, using trench run tactics on the larger ships that are not equipped to fight off starfighters while other Crossfighters run interference from those that is.
The rest of the Crossfires back with the fleet along with K-Wings attack from the front. Crossfires provide protection and the K-wings fire hundreds of concussion missiles targetting enemy corvettes and pickets.
The fleet also moves to engage and has rearranged narrow arrow formation, performing the Ackbar Slash, a well known tactic in the known galaxy, but hopefully not in the more unknown. The agile Scythes move in first with their forward concentrated firepower. They are closely followed the Nebulas.