Your opinion is not necessarily mine; Your opinion is not fact; Your opinion is not absolute. Your opinion is a perspective.
My bad then, that was just how I read it.
OOC: Well, either you or W. Doesn't really matter xD
"Einstein puts it perfectly well here. He notes that the atheists (who were formally religious) are still fanatics and still house an intolerance in their hearts. Instead of intolerance against other religions not theirs, it's intolerance against all religions now"
I disagree with your interpretation of his words. What I get from his statement is that a fanatical atheist is driven by the same that drives a fanatical religious person. A grudge/hate of people who doesn't believe the same as them. (And here we seem to split when it comes to the interpretation) He doesn't state all atheists are intolerant to religion. He is speaking of fanatics only, unless he believe that all atheists are fanatics. I seriously doubt that.
Really? THAT's what you have to say? xD
Well, thanks for reading, I guess?
EDIT: You happy now? :P
*page with you.
I don't know of any Atheists who outright DENY it. Question it, perhaps, that is only natural. Even though I believe it to be the currently most likely theory, it doesn't mean I am completely sure that it is the correct theory.
I doubt even the scientists behind the theory are anywhere near 100% sure. Going back in time that far makes it extremely difficult to be sure of anything.
I think a lot of Atheists are on the same page with Hindu, I just think you may have (unwillingly or not) argued your case in such a way that your point came across as an attack on the Atheists.
I doubt anyone here is arguing the right to free speech unless they are simply trolling.
The way I see it. You can be religious or an atheist and still be "free thinking". All it requires is for one to be open to other possibilities. To acknowledge/accept that there may, even if incredibly unlikely in your opinion, be a chance that one self is wrong.
I had heard of Dawkins before, however until maybe 6 years ago (I'm 20), I didn't even know what Atheism was, however I quickly realized I had been one most of my life.
I didn't need these guys to figure it out.
Or a fan...
I'm man enough to admit, this... almost made me shed a tear ;)
Hahaha. Never! FEEL THE MADNESS!
*you shouldn't listen to atheist saying the same. ' 3rd last line.
"even though they believe the belief of gods is wrong and that religion is evil"
That is possibly the worst argument against Atheism that I have ever heard. No offense. Do you even know what Atheism mean? >_>
I admit that it MAY have.
Have you not read anything I've talked about. Personal gain/empowerment, political objectives?
I cannot admit to what I do have no reason to believe. To me there is nothing to admit. Your evidence is the propaganda Stalin himself spouted all his life (That Atheism was his main reason). You haven't even given me any reasoning behind your statements besides "He's atheist and persecuted religious people".
The thing with his officers was just an example.
Also, if he really hated religion that much, then why did he use it as propaganda during WW2? After the Nazis invaded he revived the Orthodox Church in order to gain public support, in fact going so far as portray Russia as the "defender of Christian civilization".
So we are back at my original statements, Stalin did things for himself. Not for anyone or anything.
"religious people are inferior, religious people are monsters, religion and religious people are responsible for all the problems in the world" - Just as I don't listen to fx Christians saying the same about Atheists, you should listen to Atheist. Those kind of statements are the results of things like poor education, frustration or perhaps outright stupidity. In the end, it is not the belief that is at fault, but the person.
Why would Stalin use Religion as a tool when he saw it as folly? He might as well use Atheism and then make sure/or hope to become a man Above god, not below. Key difference, when religion have served as a tool in the past, it was always "A man under God". If anything, Stalin didn't want to be "below" anyone. That's just not who he is.
Why did the USSR keep it up? Well Stalin was a great war hero ya know... :P
As for their official ideal, stop right there pal. That was communism xD Stalin thought that "his" communism would improve without religion. So in the end, it was also to further empower communism (Besides just himself).
Now as for killing people because of their religion, I don't doubt it, nor do I deny it. However this is not something limited to religious people, if it was, then i would be much more open to the idea of the cause being atheism. He killed people for many reasons, one of the very first thing he did was kill most of his officers in the army because he was paranoid.
In the end, it was Stalins greed, paranoia and quest for personal empowerment that motivated him. His beliefs have no doubt had its influence to a greater or lesser extent. And yes, I can agree to that religious people have been persecuted by Atheist states, but in the end. Bottom line: Not because of Atheism. There are lots of other, and more logical reasons, motivations for those actions.
In my personal opinion (Not supported by any facts tho I'm afriad :P ) I think Stalin persecuted religious people because religion represented one of the oldest and in some times greatest display of power, and he liked the idea of defying that.
Ah, thanks for clearing it up.
I see. But where are the images from yesterday? Fx the Militant Atheist/Catholic/Muslim topic?
If there was anything inappropriate, then why not delete the comments instead of the image? I was looking forward to continuing that one :(
*The droids sensors pick up movement in front of the entrance and vibrations in the ground.
"There seems to be a patrol up ahead, according to sensors, maybe 5 Soldiers and a walker of some sort. I'm unable to figure out exactly which one.
Sorah, have Jason confirm"*
When sword is created, is it the fault of the hammer? The fire or what makes the fire?
Without religion, they would have more power and control over the people. It just so happened that Atheism was a useful tool in this process, whether they themselves believed it or not.
I mean even their flag was two tools crossing. xD Everything in the USSR was designed as tools. "Each to their purpose" is what it promoted.
But, perhaps, for arguments sake, it could be considered a cause. But certainly not THE cause. Atheism isn't about the purging of religion, that is a personal cause. Just as the crusades probably had more to do with power and less to do with faith when it comes to those who were the leaders of religion back then. The same principle is present in the USSR. Atheism, just as religion, can easily be used as a tool in the quest of power.
So applying the same methods against them is... justice?
Just curious :)
Well, from what I know (And it isn't much I'm afraid) People are banning each other for silly things, even things that doesn't happen in this group and there have occurred some deleting of images. I don't know who started, but it seems like both sides are at fault here.
You guys should be more careful with whom you put up as moderators. Clearly the responsibility is misplaced.
Atheism in the USSR was a means to an end. Not the Cause.
Also, don't use Fox News as a source, from what I hear from friends in the US it is very biased and hardly neutral. Not that I actually bothered to read it. xD
Those who question evolution or the Big gang are welcome to try and prove it wrong. However, they must use FACTS and scientific data in order to back it up.
In the field of science, the Aim is often to prove both old AND new ideas wrong in order to find truth or knowledge.
"The tunnel should be just ahead, 100 meters at the most. You should be able to see it now." Malan responded to Socheck's question.
Just wanna point out that "Militant Atheism" is not the right definition for this, in fact I would argue that it isn't a real thing. I will leave it at that, I'm sure there are some people who are much better at arguing this point than me. I would rather have it called "Atheist Extremism", even if I don't agree with that one either, both just rubs me wrong.
If your intent is to have a reasonable debate regarding behavior such as this, I don't recommend using these terms. All it would serve to do is offend or provoke. That is my experience anyway.
On topic: There is no excuse for his behavior. If he is tired of religious debates or religious people, he has the right to leave. Of course I do not know the contexts of this since all we have is this PM, so I may be wrong. If he somehow feel pressured or harassed, I find his behavior more understandable.
The Holotable lit up as Malan's eyes were scanned upon entering the room. It showed the layout of the immediate area around the ship, the location of the infiltration team and the route that the team were to take. He zoomed the map out a little so that the entrance to the tunnel was visible.
He tapped into the droids they brought remotely in order to make use of their motion sensors, it would give him very limited, but still an advanced warning.
He opened the Comm to the team. "Oversight online".
I once fell through the boat along with all of my crew. Was then stuck below the boat, I'm sorry, Ship! (Reference) xD
The ship touched down in an open space between two large piles of junk in a junkyard just outside the industrial zone. Malan met the others outside on the ramp, with him was a Squad of 7 Assault and Combat Droids and 2 Destroyer Droids MK3.
"Here is your backup for this mission, I have no spares so use them well. I expect all you to make it back alive, because to be honest, it would look good on my track record.
Now, on the East side of this junk yard there is a large tunnel leading through most of the Industrial zone and the Outer Military perimeter. Once you get to the other side, I will update you with new routes towards the main reactors in the power plant.
I doubt the Imps are stupid enough to leave the tunnel unguarded, so watch your backs, and be careful not to set off any alarms. Good luck Gentlmen"
Malan looks all of them in the eyes before they go; the Reptile who's name he had forgotten already, the Soldier and the little boy, whom he looks in the eyes a few more seconds while thinking "Watch your back kid, I don't need you on my conscience" presuming the boy had disobeyed his orders. He would have.
He walks back up the ramp and into the tactical room on board from which he would track their progress and provide tactical support.
OOC: May be a good idea to agree on who commands what droids xD