Well howdy do. Not much to say here as yet, other than I'm a graphics designer and I'm based in Telford, Shropshire. Other than that, I'll update later :)
Most people have at least some form of common sense. You would think that when somebody sees "early" they think "before its ready" or "before its time". The fact is, we show stuff to show things being worked on, and don't have to at all.
So, I'll post the next update in 6 months time now.
Damn it... If only I said it was a VERY early physics test of code thats only just made it in... If only I saw that a box, ball and barrel couldn't possibly all act the same... Geeeeeeeeeeeeeeee....
Really... It sucks? Because it looks so bad in Call Of Duty, right? :p
Remember what happens when you "die". You go into a "help, medic" animation. Its not a case of not being able to do it, its a case of not needing it.
First of all, we have specific plans for what we need, and they are simple things such as boxes and cans moving around when shot/blown up. We don't need/want rag doll or anything of the sort, simply because, well, we can't. How would that work if when a player dies, he goes into a "waiting for medic" animation?
So yeah, theres that.
Also, I dont think you really understand the differences here.. Its not a simple line change. You can't take, for example, Doom 3's code and drop it in here, because the colision system and bsp system is totally different. It wouldn't be a single line, it would be near enough the whole thing. So, you would actually spend MORE time changing it to work with whats there, than just making your own.
If it really was as easy as just grabbing an already existing physics codebase (of which there are LOTS), don't you think everybody would have done it by now, in the hundreds of other source ports...?
No, it would waste more time...?
Take already existing code > Understand how it works > Retrofit it into existing code > Risk having to change already created code.
Code from scratch onto existing code.
I know which I would pick. A lot of people seem to think these things are all drag and drop type efforts, like "oh, yeah theres a physics system out there, just use that". It doesn't work like that. What about our colision system, our bsp? Our model types, animation system? Its the same as saying "why dont you just move to D3 code, its the same thing". Why, because its per pixel lighting? Its nowhere near the same.
Sadly, a lot of people don't see these things.
Bullet...? This is all Nicolas, his own code, hes not using external stuff.
Our movement system has been a focus point for a while, and has always been something we have tried to pimp. Without it, we are just another shooter, so of course we try to pimp it as much as we can. Thats why I have to facepalm a bit when people say they haven't heard of it... Its usually the first thing that I harp on about.
Sadly, there are far too many people out there who will see shooter... See id tech 2... And then just go off in a mood because "oh lordy, its all been done before, wont somebody think of the kids".
Bloody hell that tree and bush there are low quality, need to sort those out... they mess up bad with 8x AA and alpha to coverage lol!
For now the 763rd time, we posed moving PLAYERS in a real time MAP that were mid ACTION. I'm not sure how this isn't getting over still.
I don't actually think you are paying attention to any of this, to be fair. For about the 17th time, I'll say it again; The screenshots are not faked, they are set up using ingame real time assets, moving ingame in real time, to show off action in the best possible light we can do. We didn't just "create a screenshot" in Photoshop.
If thats SERIOUSLY an issue for you, then I think you may want to stay away from ANYTHING media related bud, because thats exactly what nearly everybody else does. The exception of course being people who do worse, and FAKE screenshots.
I have the sinking feeling I'm dealing with a troll, so I'll just end the conversation here. I think I've said more than enough on the matter.
Soooooo... Making sure characters are running around firing at each other in a level in a real build and then picking a pic that shows the action off best and still looks good...................
............... Is worse than faking a pic with assets not from the game the doesn't represent final quality...?
Ok chief. Well, that's... Ok.
Now would you like to know if this is real or setup? I'll tell you. Its both. Its real ingame stuff, these are the graphics you see as you play, with the characters you pick while playing, with the animations they show while you kill people. Simple as that. Is it set up.........?
You bet your arse its set up.
I challenge you to find me one single pic that isn't that shows a game off. Take a look at the new hitman shots... The yshow Agent 47 mid strangle, or with police in the background, or in a crowd... Those are set up shots showing off a certain "thing".
Or did you expect me to hammer F12 and just post loads of badly shot, pointlessly taken screenshots...?
Now I FULLY agree with what you are saying... Don't lie, don't post **** that isn't true etc. But we are not Nuclear Dawn, and lets face it, the work we have done with such a small band of merry men on the engine its based on ALONE should show you we mean business and don't take ****. I mean when you put it like that, its even more silly... We remake an entire engine, bring it above and beyond current spec, making all these AAA assets, but then its all a lie... It would be the biggest waste of time since this morning when I had a **** and only a rabbit dropping came out.
Have faith. If you don't like what you see, help. if you do, comment, but tell us where we can go better. But we are in this for the long haul, and we aim to misbehave.
I don't quite follow this, so bare with me... Are you actually saying we went to the trouble of making characters, animating them, showing them animate in game, but then... don't have animated characters...? We don't have a HUD yet. Know why? Because the GUI code isn't final and I'm still waiting on it, and because the gamecode isn't final and I'm still waiting there, too. Why should I make a hud, only to remake it when the GUI codes done, and then remake it when the games done and reflects a totally different requirement...?
I get your "making progress that isn't actually happening" statement, totally. But in order to FAKE progress like this, you have to actually MAKE progress... Because otherwise, you are wasting effort? Why would I pose characters that haven't been animated, when I could just, you know, show them animated...? It doesn't make sense.
Theres a reason why we don't have a lot of gameplay videos out. Know what that reason is? Its nowhere near far enough along to show off. So that would just mean opening the floodgates to millions of people who complain on the little things, things that wont even be done, things that we already know about. Thats the nature of the beast sadly. You post things for feedback, you get feedback and you implement it. I got a lot from this pic on several sites alone... One pic. Scales, lighting, a LOT. That helps me. Moaning that "a pic showing real time action dopesnt look real time" on a SCREENSHOT seems a tad... Odd.
It's not posed. Even if it were, in my honest most original English accent... Who the **** cares? Screenshots are presented to show you what the game looks like. As long as its not ubi soft levels of photoshoppery, and what you see IS what you get, who cares?
Let's say this screen is fake, something I COULD do; it would still be totally ingame, with effects, key framed animation so that it was all right to show it off etc... Even if it was faked, it would be nothing more than posing a scene to show what you want. Every game company and his mother does that. What do you want? Really ****** pics? Do you know how hard it is to show stuff mid action and have it look good ALL the time?
This pic, like the last, was set up to show a certain feeling. But it's still 100% ingame and is still somethig you would see, because shock horror, that's how it was took. The only thin I will say is that these pics won't look as good as the final, because there's. I effects AT ALL ATM.
Honestly... Sometimes I think you guys ask way to much. Flaming that other mod for posing pics is retarded. As long as they don't "fake" them with stuff you'll never see ingame and it's totally possible what they are showing. .. Who the **** cares?
No its not? Its the same guy for sure, with the same head model... Its also the same map?
Do tell...? :s
And before you ask... Yes, it is ingame with no editing in PS. Read the description also.
Its pretty simple. Rather than a long, 3 minute looping track full of guitars and heavy music that drowns out the game and people turn off anyway, they simply have several short, 30 second or so ambient style tracks. These play at various points during the match, so that music isn't always playing, but even when it does, its short, atmospheric and complimenting, rather than over powering.
Also, heres the texture flats to see how these things are created, just incase people may be interested:
It will suport custom content and maps of course, we feel its insane OT to support those things these days. The game is 100% multiplayer, at lease THIS version of OverDose is.
Marauder arms are in the design stage now, so I can't say yet. But its only an additonal detail, it serves no point other than to look pretty.
It was a temp shot from Crysis, thats why, put there as placeholder while I was still taking the pics.
It was back in the Q2E days when OD was still a mod for Q2, and he took pretty much all our art. Remember back then there was a lot less control on media. Super Soldier or something it was called.
First host was Planet Quake. Was always going down and too slow, didn't work and they said we had to go as it was no longer "quake" oddly.
Then we got hitched with a forum member, who was a dirty sneaky Ruskie who sold us down the river, stole most of our **** and claimed it as his own, and even though he sold it for money we couldn't do owt as he was in Russia and the laws for copyright are pants there.
Then we moved to a friends hosting but he went bust, totally messing up everything...
And now we are here with a new PAID host, never been any issue with them reported and its been smooth sailing so far, but we had to change the URL :(
HOLY **** ITS HALO 3!!!
Its worth noting the level in the background is temp until I get the 3d area sorted out. It's also one of those ones where you have to see it moving to understand I guess, but a pics better than none. This IS only the title screen remember.
Some serious issues with smoothing groups there and also far too high poly for the engine you are using. Remember the PSP doesn't have a high res screen, most of those details will be lost.
Hmm... I would give Nico (berserk "at" teamblurgames "dot" com) a mail anyway, like I said we need certain tools doing?
Yeah that is ingame, not a mock up, lol
Strange, the video displays in 16:9 for me and a few other people, at least the source does. Its not pixel perfect HD of course, its a 10meg file.
Oh well, I guess I'll keep my eyes open for the next one.
Ok I admit it, I flamingoed up... This should be in WideScreen, its in 16:9, but wont actually display here or on YouTube in 16:9... VERY strange..
Heres a direct link to the HD Source, which plays in perfect WideScreen:
The last shot is new, actually.
Well thank you :)
But we have already confirmed that both CMC and MDR will have their own hands, as well as different camo versions AND different skin tones for when you customize your character...?
If you want anymore than those 12 variations then you really do need to step back and ask yourself what kind of FREE dev team consisting of TWO people can do that for you...?
EDIT: Also, we have said time and time again every class WILL be different in terms of visual style and design, on both sides, and that you can pick your own head model as well, something we are going to try and get a lot of variation with. White, black, chinese for the CMC and obvious differences for the MDR...? So what else could we possibly do...?
So you’re saying you want more generic stuff, rather than something original? You want something you can get else where...?
These are the first person view arms, the arms that hold the gun on screen. They are for the one team only.
They aren’t generic soldiers. They are humanity’s last best hope against the Marauders in a post nuclear war. These guys can’t just go down to the local 7/11 and buy weapons and stuff…
From what I can see you look like your pushing way to many polies when you dont have to.
You could always use a small alpha tested patch wit ha circle on it, hovered above a small hexagonal shape under it. That way you reduce the polycount while still keeping the visual effect your after.
Material Editor - XP has one built in. Its called word.
Procedural Texture Generator? - Sure, I'll get our coder right on it, just after he finishes the "Make new map" button.
AI Node Support - Pointless when there are no bots.
Since this design we decided to go with a more mutated look, over the standard alien/borg style. The Marauders are humans that have been exposed to Radiation and horrible events, so they need to look a little less Borg and a little more... Well... Warped.
This guys just bad ***. Look at him. LOOK AT HIS TOES! :p
Locking down design choices. We went with an updated Marine style and look, such as this one: Moddb.com
This was back when OverDose was a Q2 spin off, same universe. Since then we really pushed our own design but a lot of this will make it into OD.
"why is there no first person shooter game out there that dares forcing the players into cooperation?"
Erm... A LOT do... I think your about 10 years to late.
Fun fact; We have called it the "Evolved" engine for years now ;)
But you wouldn't say COD4 was built on the COD engine now would you. Its the Q3 engine.
The engine isn't complete, no? The rendering engine is complete, but thats a totally different "bit" :p
Creating an engine is a huge task, even for a dedicated full time team. So, rather than do it the silly way and just shoehorn stuff in left and right, we are doing it in the right order. Gameplay comes last, because thats all easy to change as its totally scriptable, same as everything else. In other words, its not at a decent enough level to show it yet, because Nicolas has been working tirelessly on the rendering engine, tools and sound engine, among other things.
The number includes misc models and filler, map models and clip models.
Also, come on, don't tell me you think content = playability? We could be sitting at 50gigs worth of stuff that isn't worth a damn for all you know.
Feel free to get in touch, we always need more animators. Contact me at firstname.lastname@example.org regarding both. Animations are needed, but donations go a long way to helping us get more help, as we hate having to ask for free work :(
Freelance = Paid
Paid = Money
Money = From donations
Also, back to the whole Q2 engine thing... We brought OverDose to better than Doom 3 level engine wise, all with ONE coder, with it's own SDK, wiki and tools... That's better than Carmack level. We like to think people can spot the difference between that and ANOTHER UDK game that somebody made without doing any large amounts of code for.
Trust me when I say the second I see some polished, decent enough gameplay, I'll release more than enough media. We have one coder. ONE. Give us time and well deliver, I assure you ;)
Typed on a phone by the way so ignore typing :p
We can't all believe the world is full of idiots. So why think it is? The shear fact that it says id tech 2 isn't an issue... The most popular MP shooter of all time is well known to be on id tech THREE. The shear point we even say what the engine is, is two fold. One, we have to. And two, because we want people to see just how far weve taken this and improved upon it.
There's a reason the indie go go campaign didn't succeed, and it's simple - we didn't show gameplay. There's a reason for that.
Also, when it comes to no original ideas, you might need to look again. With our movement system alone, you're looking at something not done before in a MP shooter... Unless you can point towards another MP game you can climb, hang and even use team mates to pull yourself up and work together to get to new places. It's all about the team play.
So, in short... Add the fact we purposely didn't show gameplay, with the realisation it's a first person shooter on new tech, and... What do you expect? At the end of the day, there will be people that don't care and just see id tech 2... Or just see FPS... Or just see "quake". We don't care. The extra funds are for people to help, not to line our pockets. We get all we need from making this, working in the art/code, and enjoying it as we go.
Everything else is a bonus. :)
Iron sides are animated and ready to go, its just that theres no way to show the switch into them at the moment, so its a either/or effect ingame. Rather than have a million kids complain how the effect should look, I left it out of the video. I'll be making a new ViDoc soon with weapon handling, movement vs accuracy, iron sights and distances, so that will solve that one.
Also this video contains no DOF blur. DOF is on at all times by default, even when in normal none iron sight mode. However, it only applies itself to the weapon on screen. Heres an example:
Before anybody ***** the bed, everything can be enabled/disbaled, as this has no effect on gameplay.
The left arm channel in the model will blend in, as seen here, when you are hit with a flash bang. Even though the screen has an effect to hde your view, the hand comes up as well to show that the player is trying to cover his face/eyes, like you would in real life. As the flash fades and the game comes into view, the hand is still shown partially behind.
Cheers guys, animation video coming later.
Eh...? Its an objective based first person shooter, semi-tactical in nature, more like a blend of classic RtCW multiplayer and COD, with a heavy lean towards the former. Its been that way since the start :p Flash nades are an optional extra, just like attachments and weapons, every single thing has a pro/con.
Don't let COD ruin it ;)
Its 3d foliage, but made with planes, lol. So it doesn't auto sprite ala Rage, its made of low poly geo.
Bit of both, it was 8 shots to compete with the CMC pistol, but in different ways. Both teams have a-sym weapons, with this being a slower shooting but much more powerful weapon.
A good few months back!!! :p
With gameplay in such a rough, pre alpha state, it would be worse for us to do that at the moment :( But thats ok, we are a small team, and it IS coming along trust me!!!
One does not simply produce a gameplay video out of thin air.
By definition yes. It was made on the Quake 2 engine. But theres like, hardly any of it left now. Nicolas is a coding GOD in my eyes and hes ripped that engine apart.
PC, then if it take off we can look at those options later.
Check the forums for info on the SDK, Wiki and map editing :p
Folaige for terrain is created using scripts and foliage alpha masks, so its automated but you have some control over it.
Trust me, I hear you. People want to see the art, not see it get ruined by post process.
The general feeling in the team is that outside, it really will be washed out like this, because it gives that really warm, burnt, post apoc look. Inside it will be much less severe.
Not dead, but the IndieGoGo funding not being met seriously hit us hard for getting extra help :(