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I couldn't agree more. We're not going to win this fight openly, WB is already to deep in this to back out now. A non-LoTR quote, for once:
WB: ''By noon this day, you will all be dead men!
The thousand nations of the Persian Empire descend upon
you! Our arrows will blot out the sun!''
MERP:''Then we will fight in the shade'' :)
Is this the first time you read it? If so, you should probably read it again to fully grasp and appreciate the story it's trying to tell ;) Or at least that's my experience. When I first read it, I was a little put off by the style of the storytelling, but after reading it a couple of times I really think that it's right up there with LoTR (perhaps I secretly even prefer The Silmarillion).
There is no real winner in this situation. For I think WB will never lift the C&D, but they, in turn, have lost a lot of potential profit due to the petition, while not gaining anything from the C&D itself. So it's a real sad outcome all in all.
In the end the MERP team will be better off luckily, as they can just continue on with a new awesome project. WB however will forever (relatively speaking) be the bad guy, that destroyed a beautiful fan initiative (and so ofcourse breath life into another, new, excellent mod). I think it is now safe to assume that this mod is (or soon will be) dead, yet death is just another path ;)
It wouldn't be if they'd continue working on it during that time. Progress would be slow because of what Nuvendil said, but it would be progress nonetheless. The problem with this scenario however, is that we are not sure about the license renewal. We also do not know which company will be the next in line (working your *** off without recognition during those 1,5 years, to then be C&D'ed all over again doesn't seem a nice prospect to me)...
Collateral damage :)
There is only one. He was slain in a fight with a Balrog in the first era and then came back from the halls of Mandos because Manwë deemed his business in Middle-Earth wasn't finished yet.
And if you get taken to court?
Just because WB says it's illegal doesn't make it illegal. Chances are pretty big that these were all scare tactics, but it isn't worth the risk.
Uploading to usenet or the Pirate bay (and any other torrentsite) isn't illegal in itself. It's the content being uploaded that makes such an action illegal.
I'm still wondering how WB could ever prove the link between MERP and a seemingly random file being posted on usenet or a torrentsite.
Anyway, I will be supporting the MERP team, whatever they do. I don't think they will win this one, as WB just can't back off now. But I'm very interested in what the team can do outside of the Tolkien IP. Westeros would be a nice setting too, for example :) (although I haven't actually read A song of Ice and Fire...)
That has been that way for many a decade now. Fascist is not the right word though...
But if someone unrelated to the devs would upload a file of a few GB's somewhere, how would WB be able to prove that the MERP team has developed the mod the file contains? It's not like the name MiddleEathsBane is related to you in any way, apart from it being a nickname. So credits wouldn't be a problem I guess. I understand you wouldn't want to put your *** on the line for this mod, but it's pretty obvious that there's not a whole lot WB can do if MERP is passed through some back door.
Yeah, I figured as much. They probably won't like it, but it will at least show the scale of the crowd backing the team to them in a direct way. If only there was a Bywater post office we could snow under :)
I don't think Bethesda is getting into this one. Way too hot for them or any games company. WB is ofcourse a big player with lots of money (and thus power). If this is not going to work MERP will either have to move underground to continue development or just stop altogether (which is understandably the most likely thing to happen). So this really is an all or nothing situation.
I'm sure going to send some letters, both digitally and on paper. I hope this will set something in motion.
I have to ask though, is sending a bomb letter considered as being 'in good taste'? :P
WB has already announced to them that the C&D will remain even if they lose (if I interpreted their words the right way). So I really think that it's now or never for MERP...
That is true, forgive my rashness. I judged the game (or the concept for the game) with todays EA in mind. I forgot they were not so evil once :) That being said, the replacement, lotr: conquest, was beyond horrific. So I guess we can pinpoint their turning point towards being money grubbing ********.
Yes we heard about that (or at least it has come up in this section before), but since it was going to be published by EA, it would probably have been ****** anyway...
Bilbo wasn't inside a barrel during their flight down the river Running, though I do agree that elves hunting them down is a logical thing to happen and also a good choice concerning the film. And which other hobbit escaped from the halls of Thranduil then? Or was it Gollum you were aiming for?
I give them credit for giving bucket loads of "credit" to PJ to make his new trilogy :P
What is different from the book then? The only thing I could point out is that the barrels containing the dwarves are open, instead of closed. I think that is a logical decision, as the screenplay would be horrifically boring if they'd have to span the gap between their escape from Thranduil's caves and their arrival at Esgaroth with Bilbo climbing around the barrels themselves at first and on the barrelraft later on...
The only thing WB can do is hire the right man for the right job. Peter Jackson is the only real reason why lotr and There and Back Again I weren't colossal **** ups. For he understands what Tolkien's work means to the fans.
Hey man, I understand your enthusiasm, but spamming the comment section with comments that contribute little to the general discussion isn't going to help anyone, so please stop doing that...
I doubt that Christopher would see it like that...
If Christopher finds out about MERP, he would probably shut it down too. He didn't even like the movies, because he thought they were too focussed on action, instead of the deeper message the books were trying to convey. The same goes for Middle Earth being created for the engine of a very violent game, except MERP hasn't got a license and so the TE will be able to stop it.
I wasn't trying to romanticize Tolkien's (or Christopher's) way of thinking. I just think we should be free to celebrate Tolkien's great work in our own way. Copyright was invented to prevent other people from taking advantage of your hard work, not to prevent hard working people from proving that your own ******** sucks...
I usually disagree with these comments, but I think it is about time to consider such tactics. Now that WB has stated that they think they can still hold on to the C&D, even if they lose the lawsuit from the TE, they've pretty much showed themselves that their threat is harmless and lacking any judicial power. There are 30 000 people backing you, so I bet there would be lots of people willing to upload the mod in a country of choice (including me). It's about time to show them that they can't stop us from enjoying Tolkien's work in our own way.
Yeah, that's not gonna happen...
Your question has been asked MANY times. If you'd only take a moment of your time to search through the comments for a bit, you'd find your answer. Also the TBD sign is there for a reason. Deadlines and such are out of the question for mod developers and so they will avoid them.