I'm just another fan who regularly keeps abreast of about 5 different mods and has some interest in 40 more. I also hate 90% of the people on this site. There's a 1 in 10 chance that doesn't include you. Trust me, those are good odds. I'd tell you about my ambitions to be a games journalist but frankly most of you are too busy calling me a gay queer fag from Fagstakistan to pay attention, so why bother? That's right, I know why you're here. You're here to post some sort of flaming comment in my profile 'cuz I dared to disagree with you. Well go ahead. Do it. I dare you.

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Stop it! Just stop it! I am declaring a moratorium on the following fallacy: "you've probably never done this or that, therefore you are not allowed to say it is done poorly because you don't know what you are talking about." That's like saying you're not allowed to complain that a band sucks at guitar 'cuz let's see YOU do it. I don't need to have a degree in music theory to know that the Rolling Stones suck. So if I tell you that your mod is lacking in areas A, B, C and/or D, you don't get the right to shit all over me for expressing my opinion. This is made worse if the person making the fallacy is himself claiming to have experience in whatever is being critiqued.

All I hear from some of you mod leaders is "wah you don't give constructive criticism!" when half of you fucks don't even know what constructive criticism even is. Constructive criticism is usually synonymous with useful criticism. Useless criticism, in the case of moddb, would be (and I quote, verbatim):

i have played every single mod/add-on for hl and hl2! this mod has ruined hl forever a**hole!!


That's not exactly useful, is it? I think anyone who has progressed beyond the mental capacity of a five year old would agree that there is nothing to be learned from this statement.

This is an example of useful criticism, and again this is an actual quote:

For some reason, I felt the most solid weapons in the game were my knife, shotgun, and AK74. I'm not sure why, but it seemed my guns worked a whole lot better on the monsters (probably due to the close range) than on people, who I usually missed at even short to medium range. The VAL and Groza's accuracy felts really strange, and I had trouble hitting things at medium range with both guns.


Why is this useful? Because instead of saying "well this mod sucks, i can't hit anything, fuck you, your mod sucks", it says "For some reason the accuracy of such and such weapon seems to be off" in a polite and respectful manner. The problem, which was reported by many others, was noted and fixed in a patch.

However, an equally useless cricitism is, and once more this is an actual quote:

The best mod ever. 10/10


Why is this useless criticism? It doesn't go into any detail as to WHY the mod is good. What exactly did the poster like about it? The gameplay? The graphics? The audio? We learn nothing from this statement. It is nothing more than mindless adulation.

Unfortunately, some of you (by which I mean certain modders) seem to have adopted the idea that the only constructive criticism is GOOD criticism, by which I mean sheer mindless adulation with no complaints whatsoever. Any time someone so much as dares to say they have an issue with some aspect of the mod, the modder will leap to defend his work, saying "it's meant to be like that" or "you haven't played it enough" or my personal favourite, the one phrase that makes me so fist-clenchingly fucking angry that it drove me to write this, "what the fuck do you know, you've never made a mod yourself."

This is a fallacy. More specifically, it's a distinct brand of ad hominem, attacking the person making the argument rather than attacking the argument itself. This particular variety is so widespread, that I'm not sure it even has a name, except perhaps ad hominem lack of authority, or as I like to call it, the "you just don't understand" fallacy.

I beg of you. Stop making this mistake. It does nothing but make you look like assholes. Video games, and mods for them, are a form of art just like painting or film. And that means you have to learn to take criticism. What's more, you have got to stop acting like having modding experience somehow makes you an authority over the rest of us "mortals" who supposedly have never modded in their lives. Again, I don't need to have a degree in music theory to tell you that the Rolling Stones suck, and I don't need to be Gooseman to tell you that your mod is broken and needs fixing.

So quit being a bunch of fuckups and get over yourselves. Jesus Christ.

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Wraiyth
Wraiyth Jan 3 2008, 8:40pm says:

Despite how you've put it, I do agree with parts of that blog post. I've had my beefs with other people on the site about issues related to this, and people around here definitely can't take criticism of their work. That being said, the point I disagree with is arguing with fanboys of a mod. In the words of a modder and game developer that I know, 'You can't trust constructive criticism from people you know - you need the cold hard negativity from the most anonymous nay-sayers imaginable'. Fanboys who just want a release, friends etc won't give you the best criticsm that you need to make what you're doing the best it can possibly be. You can't properly argue with someone who has an obvious bias and who can't take criticsm. Its just stupid.

Also I notice that Halloween4 sent you an email bitching about me. Seems it was about this exact same argument :P

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dethtoll
dethtoll Jan 3 2008, 11:37pm replied:

If you'd like to see the emails he sent I'd be happy to show you. They're pretty lol. Personally I disagree in that a fan can be unbiased- I was a big fan of Killing Floor but I hated KF2.

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TheVintorezz
TheVintorezz Jan 3 2008, 2:04pm says:

Nice blog entry, you clearly have a good idea of whats going on. Too bad about the major population of this site, really dissapointing

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ght2142
ght2142 Jan 2 2008, 11:49pm says:

do any of you know how to mod if so plz add me as a friend

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INtense!
INtense! Jan 2 2008, 1:16pm says:

Only vote down comments when you believe the comment is not suitable. Do not vote down comments simply because you have a grudge against someone.

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Bunnyjen
Bunnyjen Jan 1 2008, 5:23pm says:

So you want to be a games journalist? Anyone in particular you would like to work for?

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dethtoll
dethtoll Jan 1 2008, 7:18pm replied:

I'd rather not work for the big websites. Maybe one of the magazines.

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beretta
beretta Dec 31 2007, 5:41pm says:

Oh. Happy New Year Dethtoll.

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dethtoll
dethtoll Dec 31 2007, 6:27pm replied:

Same to you, bud.

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beretta
beretta Dec 31 2007, 5:37pm says:

Yeah a truce.

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