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Mike Pence Author
Mike Pence

As you can see, the Galactic Empire's Super Star Destroyer's outrank everything in that picture. (The big black one being the Eclipse.)

In space battles, Star Wars far outranks 40k. I'm probably going to be hammered for saying it, but I'm simply stating facts.

Star wars ships can use hyperspace to be places much faster than any Imperium ships using the warp, just as well they specialize in long range warfare. Where as Imperium ships have to get up really close to bring all guns to bear.

Star Wars ships also use turbo lasers and so forth, much more destructive than standard 40k projectiles.

The Imperial Super Star Destroyer Executor could take the Battleship Divine Intervention on any day of the week. And the Galactic Empire has hordes of Super Star Destroyers and build Death Stars that can destroy whole world's in one shot. Best thing Imperiums got, cyclonic torpedoes, and they have to be launched close range in volleys. Where as Empire ships just use a Base Delta Zero or Death Star it with a superlaser.

If the Imperium took a lesson from the Galactic Empire and worked on improving their fleet I'm sure they could come up with counters and responses. But that requires devoting the time and effort on the part of the Adeptus Mechanicus as well as creativity and openness to new technology.

Now in ground warfare... I'm gonna have to give that to the Imperium, they've got better troops than the Empire. Way better (cept for some special units like dark troopers or 501st) but do not challenge the Galactic Empire fleet directly, bad idea.

Great, now I'm imagining Death Korps of Kreig against the Imperial 501st Legion...

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Joazzz
Joazzz

"the Galactic Empire has hordes of Super Star Destroyers"

i'm gonna need a source on that. as far as i know there were only a few even in the old Expanded Universe

you don't need a cyclonic barrage either. release a virus bomb or three in a world's atmosphere, then set the whole globe ablaze with a lance strike. cheap, effective, quick. other methods of atmospheric incineration work too.

you're dead on regarding the ground warfare part, but then again we don't exactly know how much damage blasters would do to ceramite armor. or how star wars plasma/laser bolts react with void shields - hard to compare, since Warp-based tech probably wouldn't work in Star Wars. still, it would be pretty funny if one salvo from an AT-AT could bring down a Warhound.

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Mike Pence Author
Mike Pence

That would be pretty funny with the AT-AT.

Yeah the hordes part probably not so much with the SSD's. I may have went a little overboard there, however...

The Empire did have enough SSD's within their lifetime to wreak havoc with the Imperium. I wouldn't say few necessarily. And if they desired could mass produce these ships with ease. Just look at the Death Star, they already were at building a newer and better one only a few years after the Destruction of the first with it operational within that time. And that thing was way bigger than whole fleet's of SSD's.

And utilizing tech like the world devastator, the production time of any type of war tech, be it Death Star or Star Destroyers would be very easy to keep up with.

True regarding the viruses. But both can play at that game. Nasty game though.

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MattmanDude
MattmanDude

Star Wars blasters are usually theorized to be a type of plasma based weaponry.

So if we think of an E-11 like we do a plasma gun... that combined with the fact that there are far more Imperial troopers than there are Space Marines (I'll get to the Guard in a second) I'd give the edge to the Galactic Empire.

Now if you throw in the Guard then it changes... the "Waaagh" effect will most likely then switch over to the Imperium's side... the question then becomes will Lasguns break through a Stormtrooper's armor, and which faction's vehicles are superior.

Okay well since we saw an entire legion of the Emperor's best men get defeated by Ewoks, I'm going to assume that Lasguns will penetrate. Let's be honest, Stormtrooper armor is worthless. Also, we know that sustained plasma fire does to vehicles in 40K and the heavier turbo lasers on Galactic Empire vehicles would likely make short work of Imperium vehicles by that logic. Also the Empire's vehicles are armored so thickly that they can withstand plasma weapons fire... there for the only thing that the Imperium could penetrate it with would be a **** ton of meltas Vanquisher turrets, or sustained Lascannon fire. That would likely take a while to break through anyway.

So in a large battle, the technology and vehicles edge go to the Galactic Empire while the man spam edge goes to the Imperium. Who will win? I don't know. But it would be fun to watch.

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Mike Pence Author
Mike Pence

Actually stormtrooper armor isn't as useless as people think. Read here.

Starwars.wikia.com

"Most stormtrooper armor was integrated with standard personal ray-shield projectors (in direct contrast of clone troopers) in order to survive open blaster fire in case cover was nonexistent or limited. It also improved hand-to-hand combat, making standard troopers capable of surviving contact with vibroblades (although did not provide any protection towards lightsabers)."

- The gloves could be powered up during Hand-to-Hand combat (power gloves).

- The stomach armor contained a Manual Suit Seal and environmental controls.

- The thigh armor had a reinforced alloy plate ridge.

- The lower right side, near the knee, contained the suit's system power cells.

- The left upper side of the shin armor had a knee protector plate for comfort from a kneeling firing position.

- IFF circuitry was in the back of the suit for identification and command purposes for identifying each other.

Stormtrooper armor actually has a lot of perks. Unfortunately the standard bad guy vs. good guy effect never showed that in the movies. But anyways, I agree with your points. It would most certainly be entertaining to observe.

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Shadowuzi
Shadowuzi

Frankly the only reason the Storm troopers in those movies missed most of the time and were defeated by ewoks was the almighty power of plot however would still say the imperium still has an edge in ground combat over the empire cause literally their storm trooper armor I believe is more made to stop plasma damage and not projectiles the size of someone's head but if anything the empire and the imperium would most likely be focusing more on destroying the powers of chaos than each other probably cause if they were going against each other most of the time the chaos gods would just jump in and then its "Oh FUUU-" for everyone.

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purgations
purgations

false. first off star wars space battles are fought up close and personal compared to warhammer 40k. second off even though they have faster speeds they are weaker ships, whereas imperial ships are designed to fight far mid or up close in any way imaginable. ground troops wise star wars would be massacred any which way. librarians for the jedi, regular imperial guard which outnumber stormtroopers nor matter which year you take them from. then take into account tyranids chaos orks both eldar and dark eldar. WH40K would bend starwars over dude whatre you talking about. get facts straight size of ship doesnt mean jack compared to what they use and how they use it. *wink wink

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Mike Pence Author
Mike Pence

You know 40k but you don't know star wars.

Star Wars space battles are often fought long range, you seriously need to get familiar with the series. Ive read the comics, played the games, and done my research, they excel at long range combat.

Weaker ships? They have shields that work even when there is no warp. Just as well Empire ships are by no means easy to take down and were designed to inspire fear. They can't inspire fear if they can be taken down that easy.

You've never heard of the advanced Imperial cloning facilities scattered throughout the Empire have you? The Galactic Empire can produce millions, even billions of troops within a years time with ease. Troops that aren't superior to the space marines, but most certainly the guard. And that Stormtrooper armor is superior to guards armor any day of the week.

Your not giving star wars their due credit. Besides, you've never seen a superstar destroyer volley, they can and will obliterate an Imperium ship with ease. The Empire takes pride in their fleet, so stop saying crap like they don't know how to use it. That common misconception of Imperials was due to the power of plot in the movies. In real life the Empire are actually very competent at what it is they do. Besides, you ever heard of Grand Admiral Thrawn or Admiral Daala? They'd show you competent in a fleet battle.

And your forgetting units like the Death Star and Eclipse have superlasers that could destroy an Imperium ship and even world in one shot. Doesn't sound very weak to me.

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purgations
purgations

i am a fan of both series. have been since a child and will be till the day i die. And if the empire was great but it was destroyed by a rebellion. but thats not the argument here. okay ship tech- tau smaller numbers but stronger ships, with the mechanical ability to build whatever they need, orks numbers, tyranids even more numbers and horror effect. its not about whether they have shields and what not. its the simple fact that the WH40K galaxy is nothing but war for millenia. the starwars is just small engagements (comparing) every once in a while. and you cannot base this argument on empire vs imperial. its galaxy vs galaxy. besides Yuuzhan Vong are little girls compared to the tyranids.

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Mike Pence Author
Mike Pence

It's a comparison of Imperium vs. Empire.

The other factions aren't really involved here. And if they are, then the Imperium has been fighting them for a long time and therefore cannot focus all of it's attention on the Empire.

But this would also become the Empire's problem later on. However, the Galactic Empire, unlike the Imperium does know how to be diplomatic with alien races like the Tau and Eldar. So who's to say they wouldn't gain allies at least temporarily to destroy xenos hating Imperium?

For keepsake I will say the Empire was destroyed by the rebellion because the almighty power of plot in the movies. In real life the rebellion would have been crushed.

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purgations
purgations

ok then if it is just the imperium vs the empire then yes thats a different story. its not so one sided. it still however will be the imperiums win if its just straight up battle. or do you mean the empire attack the current imerium with is still being thrashed by every creature and alien in every direction?

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Mike Pence Author
Mike Pence

@purgations

You forget, the Imperium of man has nothing to attack the Galactic Empire's home Galaxy. Were talking about an Intergalactic Invasion.

The Imperium has nothing that can travel galaxy to galaxy while the Empire does. It's simply a matter of time till the Warhammer galaxy would be overrun. Cause the Empire would just keep sending more and more armies till it was successful.

And warp travel doesn't count here.
Cause the warp doesn't exist in the Star Wars galaxy.

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Fin1ay
Fin1ay

I'm calling shenanigans on that warp line at the end. If that is true then everything becomes so confusing, no psychers, no daemons, and what about the web way, again, it's a matter of when and where, not just who. For a start do either factions know the other even exists? Would one suddenly appear for no reason? Say that the empire did arrive. Would it arrive in force? If so... Why? Would a small ship reach the 40k universe? If so then it would be obliterated by who knows what, depending on what it finds first. If it doesn't find anything then why would it stay in the first place?

If you take out the warp then basically you're making it unfair from the start. I mean what would happen to the emporor?

Also I'm loving this discussion.

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Mike Pence Author
Mike Pence

Glad to hear your loving it.

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purgations
purgations

it doesnt need to. it would turn into a stalemate that way then. the empire wouldnt be able to get much of a foot hold because wherever they attack will most likely be in the line of some form of alien and will then get butt wrekt. and if its in the same universe but different galaxies then the warp will still be there. however i believe the empire has the wonkiest version of FTL compared to sailing the warp....

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Mike Pence Author
Mike Pence

@purgations

Your severely underestimating the Empire capabilities.

The warp doesn't exist outside the Warhammer galaxy. Cause if it did, then why does it say in the books and the games that if humanity were extinguished the warp and dark gods would go with them? Without Humanity in that galaxy their powers would dwindle and die.

If they could go to other galaxies than they wouldn't be dependent on humanity in that one.

The Empire has it's methods of getting a foothold.

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ukato1411831788
ukato1411831788

The Galactic Empire hires private companies to make their ships and these companies are not bound by dogma and superstition like the Mechanicum. Plus, they do not focus on looking for lost technology for they better protect and save their designs and improve upon what they have. Imperial doctrine on technology is like The Covenant from Halo, they imitate (Forerunners) but not innovate (Humans/Reclaimers).

And yeah, galactic travel from one side of the galaxy to another takes mere hours at most through "hyperspace" unlike the several days to weeks it takes traveling through an otherworldly dimension full of contradictions to physical reality and hellish beings bent on devouring your soul.

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Mike Pence Author
Mike Pence

Well said.

You win a cookie. :-)

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Huron_Blackheart
Huron_Blackheart

Then Again, Warp travel doesn't always Work like that. Sometimes, you can arrive months or years before you left... or thousands of years after.

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Mike Pence Author
Mike Pence

Pretty useful if you arrive years before. Gives a head start in preparing for war.

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Spudman619
Spudman619

Admiral: 'Fleet to Ground Control, we're here to assist in repelling invaders.'

Ground Control: 'What invaders?'

Admiral: *looks at updated clock* 'FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-'

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dimitrimulkern
dimitrimulkern

Yes, on a matter of scale, the Empire definitely takes the cake. However, let us not forget several weapons of the Imperium that the Empire would struggle to counter.

1- Ship-ship boarding assaults by Space Marines (being used as ACTUAL marines)
2- Psyker Combat on a massive scale (Recruit more Sith Lords??)
3- Infiltrated Titans (this could only have been done by some kind of tactical genius...)
4- WRYYYYY!!!

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Mike Pence Author
Mike Pence

The space marine boarding parties are definitely something the Empire has to watch out for. A single space marine squad could tear through several units of stormtroopers if not more. Hence the long range guns on those star destroyers need to be very vigilant.

As for Psyker combat, that's definitely something to watch out for. But does the warp and force work in the battlefield in question?

How does infiltrated Titans work anyway? Haven't heard of those till now.

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Joazzz
Joazzz

the "infiltrated Titans" thing refers to Lord Castellan Ursakar Creed's special tabletop rule that would allow him to Infiltrate any unit in the player's army. there could be an Imperator Titan hiding behind that lamp post over there.

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DerEisenmann Creator
DerEisenmann

AND the proper reaction of discovering that unit(s) would be furiously shouting "CREEED!!!"

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Machine-Reaper
Machine-Reaper

Well lets try putting Creed in space first and then see if the Empire starts yelling "CREEEEEEED!!!"

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DerEisenmann Creator
FerroFibz
FerroFibz

Infiltrating Titans is nothing but a meme based off a set of wonky rules.

And sure, Creed is a tactical genius, even in-universe, but even with his expertise, the Imperium technically only narrowly manages to hold off Abaddon the Testrunner's Black Crusades (twelve of which weren't even aimed at breaking through Cadia and reaching Terra, but instead, had different goals, all of which Abaddon succeeded in achieving)

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(2142)Gen.Reaper
(2142)Gen.Reaper

Well it isn't like the Imperium can't just warp to Coruscant, exterminatus it, and knock out the Empire's leadership throwing the Galactic Empire into disarray just like it did in the original EU when the Death Star II blew up taking the Emperor and Darth Vader with it. One of the main problems with the Empire is that it's heavily centralized on the Emperor, so when you remove him, the entire structure falls apart. But this is going off the old EU canon, not the new canon in the new upcoming Star Wars movie, whatever that will be.

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(2142)Gen.Reaper
(2142)Gen.Reaper

Of course the same thing could be said with the Imperium of Man because it would no doubly fall apart if the Empire was to find way to get to Terra and perform it's own version of Exterminatus, Base Delta Zero, or even take it by ground assault, taking out it's government causing the Imperium to fall into Chaos...and speaking about Chaos...they will no doubly take advantage of the situation as well because without the God Emperor to protect it and keep the Warp ways secured, the Imperium will just be ripe for the taking which will probably work against the Galactic Empire as well because now they'll have the other 40k factions to worry about as they would be left unchecked.

But that's assuming if the Empire can even get to Terra undetected.

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Phenixtri
Phenixtri

or unscathed for that matter .... id love to see how they would even make it past its orbital defense platforms around Mars 0_o

Only the necrons managed to make a suicide rush past its defenses and make it planet side :/

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Shadowuzi
Shadowuzi

The empire has more advanced space tech than the Imperium. Literally the Empire could probably just swoop in knock out the defenses from long range and barely be even scratched. Now if space marines boarded one of their ships that's a different story but as said above the empire would probably blast said boarding pods before they got close. In a ground war the imperium has the edge of man spamming due to guardsmen and the durability of space marines but literally the empire would probably have a large air superiority advantage and could just carpet bomb everything or even use orbital bombardment if needed...

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DerEisenmann Creator
DerEisenmann

Too bad that there is no relyable comparission of (40k)Imperium's and (Starwars)Empire's offensive and defensive voidbattle capacities...

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Mike Pence Author
Mike Pence

Well, it's most definitely a entertaining topic to talk about of Imperium vs. Empire. Even though we don't have all the specifics of both sides capabilities.

Whole page is full of comments and input on the matter.
I like how this post turned out. :-)

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CadianConscript
CadianConscript

You compare low-tech, magic-filled, dystopian fantasy world to a hi-tech, pure technological world =) How does that even measure?

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Mike Pence Author
Mike Pence

Warhammer got the Tau. Who have tech that could match the Empires.

Just as well, the Imperium does have it's advantages over the Empire.
Such as superior ground forces and fanatical resolve to win.
And the Adeptus Mechanicus could build counters and responses to Empire tech, but I already addressed that above.

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CadianConscript
CadianConscript

The Tau are too busy fighting off the Vorstroyans alone, let's not talk $#!7, shall we? =)

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Mike Pence Author
Mike Pence

True, but think about it this way.

What if the Imperium temporarily allied with the Tau to deal with the Empire? And all the sudden technology starts getting passed back and forth between sides to study and use. Either that or the Imperium overpowers the Tau and takes their tech from them. Since the Tau are such a small force to begin with.

Now the Empire finds Imperium ships being better armed and designed.

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dimitrimulkern
dimitrimulkern

Why bother with those pesky blues? Lets cut the middle man out. Give me a captured Imperial Star Destoyer, a banana and a Joreko. Sit back and let the magic happen.

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Mike Pence Author
Mike Pence

If only it were so easy...

Star Destroyers have crew's of over 30,000 men including security personal, they also have a great deal many automated defences and standard invasion troops on board.

You'd still need a sizable force to secure one in battle even with the Space Marines. And with those long range guns beating down on any drop pods...

Can one be captured? Yes. But it's by no means a easy task. It's far easier to get a team on board to disable it than it is to capture it.

And the Super Star Destroyer's have crews of over a million men. You'd need a army to secure one of those in battle.

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purgations
purgations

The necrons could just scarab horde the ships. But then again if necrons actually jumped into the fight the Imperium and Empire would probably make a truce and fight the Necrons.

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Mike Pence Author
Mike Pence

That's if they can get past the hordes of mass produced Tie Fighters, turbo laser batteries, automated defenses, and superlaser units like the Eclipse that can obliterate any ships in one shot. And then they'd have to gain a foothold on the ship, but whose to say the Empire wouldn't just jettison that part of the ship into space?

Certain Empire units do have that ability.

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purgations
purgations

ummm necs just teleport.... plus their super advanced ships would just fly through it all.. it too the whole sol defence fleet to destroy 3 necron frigates * i believe they were. and even then one of them actually made it to mars surface. none of that woudl even be a hindrance

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Mike Pence Author
Mike Pence

@Purgations

Most of the Necron fleet is long been dormant and are usually attacked upon sighting by other factions.

And as I said, 1 shot from the Eclipse or Death Star WILL destroy the target in an instant. It doesn't matter how fast they fly, it doesn't matter where they are, it doesn't matter how advanced they are. Once in range, they are doomed. 1 shot, and it's all over for the necron frigate.

Your giving to much credit to a long dormant race that has their own leaders and different cities which lacks unity. Cause if they were unified, and organized, they would mobilize together and annihilate the threats. But you and I both know that's not gonna happen.

And every engagement their cites are found by other factions, attacked, and buried or simply destroyed. And saying their units are invincible isn't possible. Anything and everything can be destroyed. So who's to say their parts can't be collected and thrown into a sun?

The Necron may have been a strong faction once, but no more. They would not stand a chance against the unified, highly advanced, and hellbent on intergalactic domination Galactic Empire. And knowing the relentless ruthlessness of the Empire, who's to say the Imperials wouldn't find a way to enslave the Necrons under their control?

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purgations
purgations

Wh40k.lexicanum.com

even though its by that tard ward its still viable. necrons are not a thing of the past buddy. not by a longshot. and they are far from weak. and the death star is kod so you cant bring that in. and the eclipse would be able to hit it due to shroud generators or whatever their cloaks are. and if they brought out theiur actual ships then they would decimate the entire empire. it took an entire chapter of space marines and a huge coalition fleet to destroy just one.
Wh40k.lexicanum.com
world sized...not moon sized

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Mike Pence Author
Mike Pence

@purgations

World Devastator technology enabled the Empire to build Death Stars in other galaxies. Checkmate.

You forget the Death Star specializes in destroying planet sized objects in one shot.

Excuse me, but if these pathetic Necrons are so tough than why haven't they destroyed the Imperium and everyone else for that matter yet? And the Empire has cloak detecting technology. Ever heard of reading for a ships magnetic signature?

Lord Vader would be very intrigued with this discussion.

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Fin1ay
Fin1ay

I think the tau would rather die than share so chances are the imperium would have to try to take the tech by force but even then, as small as the tau are, they are op as anything!

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Mike Pence Author
Mike Pence

No arguments there. The Tau may be small, but their still strong.

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FerroFibz
FerroFibz

Galactic Empire beats Imperium in terms of FTL travel/communications and industrial capacity (building a superweapon in months > building a cruiser or battleship in years, maybe even lifetimes).

The GE could, theoretically, beat the IoM in a war of attrition through hit-and-run tactics with their fleets.

And the Tau aren't really better by much, especially considering how their FTL travel is even slower than the Imperium's.

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Joazzz
Joazzz

why are you people even trying to compare their FTL capabilities?

it's futile, the hyperspace in Star Wars is completely different from the Immaterium; Warp engines aren't similar to hyperdrives in even the most basic aspects, other than the common purpose of propelling a ship from A to B in record time. it's apples and oranges.

the comparison is impossible unless one puts an Imperium ship into Star Wars or vice versa, which actually instantly nullifies the whole point because that ship isn't going to be getting anywhere.

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A comparison between 40k and Star Wars fleets.

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