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Nod 'Harpy MKII' design suggestion (Groups : Tiberium Essence Fans : Forum : Nod Ideas : Nod 'Harpy MKII' design suggestion) Locked
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55blahh55
55blahh55 -- Colonel Radec ------ -- Nod Military --------- -- 201st Vanguard -----
Dec 25 2011, 11:41pm Anchor

Ok, so I know alot of people were quite skeptical when Carnius decided to change the Nod 'Venom' into the Rotorblade 'Harpy MKII', and I myself shared some of that skepticism. However I do understand Carnius's desire to make the unit a little less high-tech, considering that is it a tier 2 unit. Still.. I thought going completely back to traditionel heli-rotorblade design was a bit too much.
(Media.moddb.com)
So I thought I would try to find a middle ground, where both the fans could have a craft that looked more "futurish" in terms of functionality, and where Carnius could still get his good ol' rotorblade craft ;)
Now the idea came to me when I was playing one of my "rare" matches in KW. I suddenly realized that the GDI 'Hammerhead' also implemented rotorblade technology. However the rotorblade technology used here looks more advanced than traditional one, mainly because it uses two rotors beside each other.
(Cncnz.com)
Now I never really liked the Hammerhead as a GDI unit, and it's not that I want to change the body structure of the Harpy MKII (as I think that part looks really awesome!) but I think the rotorblade design of the Hammerhead could work really well with the new Harpy! It would still make it lower tech, but it would also make it look more advanced than a reagular modern day helicopter. :)
So what do you think? :D

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Dec 26 2011, 4:44am Anchor

Well that idea is pretty nice but i think Carnius will not change it now as the mod is probably almost done... and i dont really care, Harpy is just a light helicopter it doesnt need any special technology and it succesor of odl harpy that had one rotor too... I just dont like the original venom too much, i wanted it to look more "serious" like this Moddb.com

55blahh55
55blahh55 -- Colonel Radec ------ -- Nod Military --------- -- 201st Vanguard -----
Dec 26 2011, 5:17am Anchor

You are probably right in terms of completion. I too suspect the mod will be coming out any minute now ;)
LOL And I actually prefer your design over any of the other designs i've seen! It sorta looks like a mixture of Harpy from TS, and Venom from TW. I really like it! :)
Anyway, I just got this idea because of the comments I saw from the Harpy MKII pictures Carnius released, so I just tried to find a diplomatic solution haha! XD
Thanks for your response ;)

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Starfox100
Starfox100 "Inferno Phoenix" field Commander
Dec 26 2011, 6:28am Anchor

it was also possible for the harpy to have "no tail" rotors. 2 on the top, one turns the normal way, the other one below it opposite direction.
this makes the unit is still as easy capable to fly. but lose his weak tale rotor. (where people prefer to shoot at, in life and movies)
Some US littlebird choppers got this tech already and few types of Russian attack helicopters. i wonder why you never see this kinda technology in games. gives also room for afterburners like that.

anyway, i also like the idea of Valdo. prefer the TE version... for now.

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Dec 26 2011, 7:02am Anchor

Thanks for your appreciation guys :D if i remmember right at first Carnius wanted to make som totaly new design.. something.. original.. for him my concept was too Orca-ish and he was right :D but who doesnt like orcas yeah ? :D btw if i think about it.. Kamov KA50 is my most favorite heli... hmm.. we will see what future comes with :D

55blahh55
55blahh55 -- Colonel Radec ------ -- Nod Military --------- -- 201st Vanguard -----
Dec 26 2011, 8:46am Anchor

Well I think your design is the best. But of course, if Carnius wills it differently, it shall rightfully be so! ;)
Yeah the Kamov is really cool. Definately also a very future looking heli! :D

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Dec 26 2011, 12:14pm Anchor

Has anybody here played Crysis 2? If so look at the CELL chopper. It has a double rotor where one spins one way and the other spins the other way. It also has no tail rotor and does look quite advanced.

Feb 2 2012, 5:11am Anchor

Nah it would look like the hammer head from (KW).

Oct 12 2012, 6:36am Anchor

nothing wrong with rotor blades they look cool, the thing is with technology if it works well it doesnt tend to get changed

Oct 13 2012, 5:28am Anchor

As for the Harpy, I really do like and welcome Carnius' new model and don't have a problem with it having a rotor blade (the original in TS did also, after all), but I also thought the original venom was fine too and kinda sad to see it go. Here is my proposal for people who like Carnius' model and VTOL: What if his current Harpy had a relatively cheap upgrade, say at the Airfield, where it upgrades it to VTOL that increases it's speed (nerf the original speed a bit so when it's upgraded, it's similar to how it is now) and some other benefit(s) (eg: at the click, allow it to hide from radar for a period of time since it'll be more silent and/or because it will essentially be more agile in the air with VTOL, allow it to better resist anti-air attacks). So when the upgrade is complete, the rotor blades will disappear and the VTOL turbines will appear on either side of the craft (the other upgrade module on the wings will have to be moved to accommodate this new upgrade), which will have it look something similar to the venom again. If not for this idea, I'd just prefer that he keeps it as it is with the rotors - he worked hard at it and so to me this unit has earned its place in the mod. But is it just me, or does anyone else think the rotor sound effect in the game is at times a bit too loud in comparison to the other surrounding sounds? Just so long as it isn't louder than the current Firehawk's engine sound effect.

Btw, I too actually liked the dual rotorblades found on the Hammerhead. I thought it looked unique, futuristic enough and definitely plausible. It isn't necessary to do this, but here's my idea of bringing this in again if anyone is interested. Do I dare say, take away the Nightwind Transport's VTOL ability and replace it with a rotorblade at the end of each main wing, thus giving it a similar Hammerhead look (plus it'd also look similar to the V-22 Osprey that I like) - I think it would look really good. So with this same upgrade that I mentioned earlier for the Harpy, it'd also affect the Nightwind, making it look just as it does now with VTOL (again, make its original speed a little less). But then the stealth would have to go (for it to make sense) if it originally has the rotorblades, so maybe through some other cheap upgrade at the Airfield (after first getting the VTOL upgrade), it can get its Stealth mode (back). This is just a thought for those who really liked the dually rotorblades, otherwise let's leave this alone.

What are your thoughts?

Edited by: .Mac.

Oct 14 2012, 11:50am Anchor

Harpy already has 2 upgrades (anti-infantry laser and microwave emitter), a 3rd would be unnecessary in my view, also there are enough things without rotor baldes, remember nod is always a mix of old and new tech and the attack-heli gives a nice flavour. Re: Nightwind Rotor blades might look very cool but i dont like the idea of it losing stealth, given that its weaponless would make it a sitting duck. If it where to have rotors AND be stealthed perhaps it would make too much noise and give itself away, so mixed feelings about this suggestion.

Oct 14 2012, 2:07pm Anchor

Well the main point of my previous post was to satisfy both sides of the table regarding the rotors/VTOL tech for Harpy - people who favored one way or the other will have both for their Harpy. The simple "off radar" ability was just an added suggestion to sweeten the deal with the upgrade, so it wouldn't need that added bonus then if people feel it's unnecessary. I agree with you, M0Nkfish, it gives a nice "flavour" to the atmosphere if we still had some "tried and true" conventional tech only 30yrs from now, such as rotors (that's also why I wouldn't want all weapons to be lasers and all units to hover, so I welcome the Harpy's design and conventional tech), because I also agree Nod likes to use conventional tech with their advanced tech - hence the idea of Nightwind having dual rotors (but then upgradable to VTOL along with the Harpy). That was an idea for anyone such as myself and 55blahh55 who liked the Hammerhead rotors, so others could possibly build off of that idea and make it more refined. I'd prefer the Nightwind kept its stealth too (that's why I suggested that it have an (inexpensive) upgrade ability to get stealth back, so it won't be a sitting duck), but just thought it might be kinda weird if had stealth while having rotors.

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