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playmsbk
playmsbk 21st Special Nod Division
Oct 30 2011, 5:54am Anchor

Yes, they say that, actually, I think there were two stories by WW for the purpose and origin of the Tacitus. First was that the Tacitus contained information on how to defeat the Scrin and was made by the martian resistance that faced the Scrin thousands of years before the invasion of Earth. The other was an important device held by the Scrin rebels and was the cause of the invasion. We should have had this all cleared out in CNC4, but on the other hand we only saw the Tacitus on the trailer, GDI allying with Kane and GDI fighting GDI, we saw random huge cities where none existed (which also became the commanmd hubs for GDI) we DIDN'T see the Scrin even though the Supervisor said "Earth will fall" and of course we saw no Tiberium at all except from some floating crystals. We wouldn't even be here discussing this if the "ending" had a decent story.

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Smallchange
Smallchange GDI, 101st Airborn Division, Firehawk Pilot
Oct 30 2011, 11:45am Anchor
playmsbk wrote:Yes, they say that, actually, I think there were two stories by WW for the purpose and origin of the Tacitus. First was that the Tacitus contained information on how to defeat the Scrin and was made by the martian resistance that faced the Scrin thousands of years before the invasion of Earth. The other was an important device held by the Scrin rebels and was the cause of the invasion. We should have had this all cleared out in CNC4, but on the other hand we only saw the Tacitus on the trailer, GDI allying with Kane and GDI fighting GDI, we saw random huge cities where none existed (which also became the commanmd hubs for GDI) we DIDN'T see the Scrin even though the Supervisor said "Earth will fall" and of course we saw no Tiberium at all except from some floating crystals. We wouldn't even be here discussing this if the "ending" had a decent story.

How did i know this thread couldnt live without saying C&C4?

It was the single biggest derp in the gaming industry, unless you want to count that dumb Prince of Persia: The forgotten sands!
but anyway, we need to find 2-3 different mod teams and maybe an indie maker and MAKE a GOOD C&C4... and i bet it would sell like hell :devil:

Oct 31 2011, 5:05am Anchor
Smallchange wrote:
playmsbk wrote:Yes, they say that, actually, I think there were two stories by WW for the purpose and origin of the Tacitus. First was that the Tacitus contained information on how to defeat the Scrin and was made by the martian resistance that faced the Scrin thousands of years before the invasion of Earth. The other was an important device held by the Scrin rebels and was the cause of the invasion. We should have had this all cleared out in CNC4, but on the other hand we only saw the Tacitus on the trailer, GDI allying with Kane and GDI fighting GDI, we saw random huge cities where none existed (which also became the commanmd hubs for GDI) we DIDN'T see the Scrin even though the Supervisor said "Earth will fall" and of course we saw no Tiberium at all except from some floating crystals. We wouldn't even be here discussing this if the "ending" had a decent story.

How did i know this thread couldnt live without saying C&C4?

It was the single biggest derp in the gaming industry, unless you want to count that dumb Prince of Persia: The forgotten sands!
but anyway, we need to find 2-3 different mod teams and maybe an indie maker and MAKE a GOOD C&C4... and i bet it would sell like hell :devil:


Dont forget to add in Halo Reach to that, gigantic derp in the storyline.

Anyways, martian resistance?! What the blarg are you talking about there exactly?

As for going with the real story, lets just all pretend that C&C 4 never existed, that makes life a whole LOT more simple for us!

playmsbk
playmsbk 21st Special Nod Division
Oct 31 2011, 8:06am Anchor

In WW's C&C3 (a version of it) it is revealed that life existed on Mars and was attacked by the Scrin thousands of years before Earth. The Scrin are suppossed to have killed them.

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Oct 31 2011, 8:45am Anchor
playmsbk wrote:In WW's C&C3 (a version of it) it is revealed that life existed on Mars and was attacked by the Scrin thousands of years before Earth. The Scrin are suppossed to have killed them.

Source on that?

GoldenArbiter
GoldenArbiter Proud servant of Kane
Oct 31 2011, 1:27pm Anchor

Wait, what was wrong with halo reach?

Anyways, I really have nothing important to contribute ATM, so I'm just going to continue to read...

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Oct 31 2011, 2:53pm Anchor
GoldenArbiter wrote:Wait, what was wrong with halo reach?

Anyways, I really have nothing important to contribute ATM, so I'm just going to continue to read...


Microsoft/Bungie pulled an EA/C&C on it. It just doesnt add up in any sort of way at all with the original canon from the books. If you are interested in knowing more then just PM me.

And just give your opinion on anything you'd like if you see something you want to point out.

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I got another thing about C&C as a whole right now. We all know that Red Alert 1 is the first game of both the C&C and the RA series. But people seem to be confused on what storyline creates what. Personally I do not understand how that can be misstaken.

Its simple: Allied victory means either (Or rather both, but in different universes) that the GDI is formed and the tiberium meteroite strikes the Earth in 1995, or (and) that the Soviet Union is rebuilt under Romanov as the premier.

A Soviet victory is simply an alternate ending, just like the Nod ending in Tiberian Sun, its not canon in any sort of way, its just an "What if?" thing.

Now my point is that a lot of people seem to think that an Allied victory triggers Red Alert 2 and a Soviet victory triggers C&C. How in the world do they make that out?

For starters, after the Allies win they form the UN which later forms the GDI. The Soviets wouldnt form any "United Nations" at all.
Secondly you can just look at the Ant-missions in Red Alert, the Allies are now coloured gold/yellow, they use granadiers and mammoth-tanks as well as their own equipment from the last war with the Soviets. GDI uses granadiers and mammoth tanks.

Phew, there. I just wanted to get that off my mind as it really is strange on how (No offence) wrong people can get things sometimes...

Edited by: TheNodCommander

playmsbk
playmsbk 21st Special Nod Division
Oct 31 2011, 5:00pm Anchor

Cnc.wikia.com

Check the behind the scenes section.

And I think you are wrong about RA. The Soviets only got Europe, America was still intact. Also, if you see the soviet ending (Youtube.com) it is pretty clear it leads to the formation of the new Nod. Also, a small assumption, with Stalin dead, the union would be unable to keep control of all its territories, and would finally be forced to leave them and ally with its former enemies. GDI uses both Soviet and Allied units as well as Nod used the more advanced of the two armies, and I don't think it was a coincidence.

BTW: UPDATE FTW!

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Nov 1 2011, 5:14am Anchor
playmsbk wrote:Cnc.wikia.com

Check the behind the scenes section.

And I think you are wrong about RA. The Soviets only got Europe, America was still intact. Also, if you see the soviet ending (Youtube.com) it is pretty clear it leads to the formation of the new Nod. Also, a small assumption, with Stalin dead, the union would be unable to keep control of all its territories, and would finally be forced to leave them and ally with its former enemies. GDI uses both Soviet and Allied units as well as Nod used the more advanced of the two armies, and I don't think it was a coincidence.

BTW: UPDATE FTW!


I actualy think you are the one on thr wrong track. Where do you ever see a Russian in the GDI? None. At the end of the war with the Soviets, the Allies seized the technology from the Soviets, not the other way around. Here yet again, when the canon is broken, result to logic, and logics says as such.

Yes Stalin dies with the Soviet ending, but so he does with the Allied one. Remember in the USSR ending that Nadia kills Stalin, and Kane kills Nadia and proclaims that Nod will soon make themselves known. Yes, this could be the case if it wasnt for the fact that Nod isnt Russian. They dont use any sort of Russian exclusive technology what so ever in TibDawn or TS.

They would of had if they originated from the USSR, but they didnt.

playmsbk
playmsbk 21st Special Nod Division
Nov 1 2011, 8:58am Anchor

But we see nothing of Kane in the Allied ending, I don't think that WW would add the whole Kane thing in RA only for the Soviets with their plan being a continuous and sole timeline for all of C&C. I believe that the Allied win is a "what if" in RA not the Russian one, in gace the Russian is the canon for the Tiberium timeline.

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Nov 1 2011, 11:01am Anchor
playmsbk wrote:But we see nothing of Kane in the Allied ending, I don't think that WW would add the whole Kane thing in RA only for the Soviets with their plan being a continuous and sole timeline for all of C&C. I believe that the Allied win is a "what if" in RA not the Russian one, in gace the Russian is the canon for the Tiberium timeline.

Kane is not seen at all, only mentioned shortly in the Allied campaign. The reason is simple, they had no idea who Kane was. For the Allies, Stalin was the threat, not some background advisor.

GoldenArbiter
GoldenArbiter Proud servant of Kane
Nov 2 2011, 7:37am Anchor

Me thinks you're both right here. Nod, former USSR may have abandoned a lot of the USSR specific technologies in favour of super advanced lazors, and stealth.

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GooberTrooper
GooberTrooper Nod Global Operations Commander
Nov 3 2011, 12:08am Anchor

What about Nod getting Light Tanks from the Allies?

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Nov 3 2011, 5:56am Anchor
GooberTrooper wrote:What about Nod getting Light Tanks from the Allies?

Yea? What about it? I dont think its as much getting light tanks from the Allies, more of stealing blueprints.

GooberTrooper
GooberTrooper Nod Global Operations Commander
Nov 3 2011, 10:56am Anchor

If RA is a prequel to C&C 95 then what happened to the Chonosphere, and other technologies unique to RA?

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Smallchange
Smallchange GDI, 101st Airborn Division, Firehawk Pilot
Nov 3 2011, 1:17pm Anchor
GooberTrooper wrote:If RA is a prequel to C&C 95 then what happened to the Chonosphere, and other technologies unique to RA?

Well, nobody really knows, although technology is lost in wars all the time (although with something that important I would expect at least some blue-prints to be left :P) maybe they lost them all? :P

Nov 3 2011, 1:55pm Anchor
GooberTrooper wrote:If RA is a prequel to C&C 95 then what happened to the Chonosphere, and other technologies unique to RA?

It's simply something Westwood decided to phase out for the better of the storyline of C&C TibDawn. I'd imagine if we knew "where" it went, the answer would be something among the lines of that "It was decided it was too unstable" and the project shut down, as an example.

GooberTrooper
GooberTrooper Nod Global Operations Commander
Nov 3 2011, 1:56pm Anchor

I don't know how you can lose a Chronosphere. I can understand less important things, but a Chronosphere? C'mon.

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Smallchange
Smallchange GDI, 101st Airborn Division, Firehawk Pilot
Nov 3 2011, 2:12pm Anchor
GooberTrooper wrote:I don't know how you can lose a Chronosphere. I can understand less important things, but a Chronosphere? C'mon.

Well, maybe atlas is right that it was just too unstable? (although I dont remember it being unstable :P )

GoldenArbiter
GoldenArbiter Proud servant of Kane
Nov 3 2011, 3:04pm Anchor

Well, here's the story behind that: The chronosphere eventually sent itself back in time, landing on Einstein thus killing him. since Einstein never invented the device, it never went back in time to kill him, so he invented it and then it killed him....... and paradox destroyed that universe forever.

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Nov 3 2011, 4:06pm Anchor
Smallchange wrote:
GooberTrooper wrote:I don't know how you can lose a Chronosphere. I can understand less important things, but a Chronosphere? C'mon.

Well, maybe atlas is right that it was just too unstable? (although I dont remember it being unstable :P )



It was

Nov 25 2011, 11:44pm Anchor

Well Go back to that Ending Of Soviet in RA1...the Chrono sphere Blew itself to bits. Maybe that was the last one? If you notice Einstein wasnt in america so maybe they didnt get the plans...and with Europe completly Russian, Very likely all others were destroyed. Plus Rememebr Volkov? Another hint on the RA=C&C. USSR made Volkov the cyborg bad ass that eliminated everything like the terminator. Then assuming that it was being perfected during the first C&C, in Tiberium sun they came back with more cyborgs, maybe decedents of Volkovs design mixed with extra technologies they acquired over the years. And them having Light tanks makes sense as when the USSR collapsed, NODs new style was stealth, and a giant ass 20 MPH 12 ton of steel Double barreled tank doesn't quite blend in... and seriously, what makes you think the light tank was based off of allies design? Is it so hard to take a giant tank and cut it in half? do you have to steal the tiny tanks blueprints? Maybe Allies didnt see a need for it after they got the mammoths and found a new way to fight, and nod went "well we cant match firepower anymore, screw it lets just go super fast and poke them with a stick repeatedly till they give up, we're gonna pull an allies here"

Nov 26 2011, 3:48am Anchor

The problem still has a few canon-holes and problems if thats your idea:

Volkov is many many times more powerful than the cyborgs made by Nod serveral decades later.

Europe is a rich and wealthy region in the world at the time of C&C1, we all know what the USSR did to Eastern Europe in real life.

Remember that in all other games made by Westwood, the canonological ending is always on the "good guys" side, aka the Allies or GDI. I dont see why, or even how it could be different in RA1. If Nod won the First TW, then they conqoured the world. If Nod won the STW, then they turned the whole Earth into a Tiberium-based planet with Tiberium-lifeforms and flora. If the Soviets won the war (Which name escape my mind) in RA2, then they conqured not only Europe, but the whole USA, which would mean no YR. The same goes for RA1. Its a Y-split in the story line, not an X. Allied victory leads to either Red Alert 2, or Tiberian Dawn.

Remember that Westwood never had the original plan for a "Red Alert 2" to begin with, it was EA's idea since Red Alert 1 sold so good.

Edited by: TheNodCommander

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