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S-35 medim tank
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rkraptor70
rkraptor70

One-man turret, hatchless cupola, poor mechanical reliability, too weak and too complicated suspension, lack of a radio and it's suppose to be one of the best tank of 1940? One of best tank for surrendering maybe (Of 430 built, 297 were captured by Wehrmacht) but not for war.

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SantaofDeath
SantaofDeath

It was the best armored medium tank in service at the time. It's 47mm cannon was also the most powerful AT weapon mounted in a turret in 1940. (keep in mind that Pz. IV's 75mm L/24 was an infantry support weapon at the time)
Its lack of radio and poor French armored doctrine led to its failure on the battlefield.

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rkraptor70
rkraptor70

"best armored medium tank in service at the time".

Matilda II would like to have a chat.

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SantaofDeath
SantaofDeath

I'm sure Matilda would, but the British only called her an "Infantry Tank" as she was designed to support the infantry.
S-35 was designed to fight other tanks.

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WaRtr@Kkk
WaRtr@Kkk

T-34 and Pz IV had better armor u know? And T-34 was much more powerful than it's SA-35 47mm gun. And it was equestrian tank. Oh yea and i know that T-34 had 45mm armor but it was sloped and that means greater effective armor.

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AubeSangante Author
AubeSangante

You know what the armor of the SA-35 whas sloped and far before the T-34, And again im talking about the 1939-1940 period not after 1940 (Yes t-34 whas introduced on 1940 but mas production begin on 1941-42)

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WaRtr@Kkk
WaRtr@Kkk

What are you talking about. T-34 went into production in 1940.. And if you look closer you can see that frontal armor isn't sloped everywhere. All angled areas are under different angle. And T-34 had whole armor sloped with same angle (yes i know not the lower plate). Last thing if you say that T-34 was mass produced at end of year 1940 you said that S-35 was best tank of the year 1940.

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AubeSangante Author
AubeSangante

I have never said that it was the best of 1940 but that it was one of the best tank of 1940, and if we compare him with the German tank in France there is an one the best of the conflict of 1940. (Ps: Panzer 4 in the time was armed of one 7.5 court not at all comparable with 7.5 length which equipped following version.)

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WaRtr@Kkk
WaRtr@Kkk

I said nothing about panzer IV gun. It was armed with short barreled gun for infantry support. And i believe that it could only use HE shells. But ur right that i should read more than twice. Oh yea and what i said equastrian i meant cavalry tank. And we forgot one of the most important tanks of that year. The KV-1. Gun was very effective, armor was unbelieveable but with lack of speed. But why do i compare heavy tank with cavalry tank? Yea now i know. S-35 had almost same speed as KV-1, +/- 2km/h.

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AubeSangante Author
AubeSangante

Yeah Kv tank are very effective.
If I had to make a classification of the 3 better tank of 1940 T-34 would arrive in first place(obviously), then would come the KV and finally the S-35.

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WaRtr@Kkk
WaRtr@Kkk

I agree. Could be Top 3 of 1940.

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majo-213
majo-213

Best tank in 1940 is Panzer 38 (czechoslovak light tank,britishs says best light tank of WW2) Panzer III... T-34 and KV russians in 1941 dont have many pieces

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WaRtr@Kkk
WaRtr@Kkk

HEY!!!! Thanks for reminding me that beast :D Originally named LT Vz.38. True with these russians. And Panzer III after getting long barrel 50mm gun.

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ℱℓσℊℊℯɾ
ℱℓσℊℊℯɾ

"One of best tank for surrendering maybe"
Or another way of saying white flag ? Why do you hate France ? why do you forget their wine and cheese ? !

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rkraptor70
rkraptor70

Since when stating historical fact is considered hatred?

BTW I don't drink wine and prefer white cheese.

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AubeSangante Author
AubeSangante

Well yeah we surrender and what ? 100 000 french soldier die during the battle of France. And they sacrified they live and liberty to allow the English soldier of Dunkirk of got back England and of continued the fight. And **** France win the first only tank battle of WW2.

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rkraptor70
rkraptor70

Sorry to stomp on your national pride again, but tell me, why the hell everyone calls the evacuation the "Miracle of Dunkirk"? The reason the evacuation went as good as it did is because the Göring convinced Hitler that the Luftwaffe could prevent any evacuation (which ultimately didn't) and Günther von Kluges proposal that the German 4th army should halt and regroup before committing any more attack. The French Army had little (Lille could be easily bypassed if the Germans wanted to) role in succeeding the evacuation.

Also the Battle of Hannut was a major Strategic failure. And as you said it was the ONLY french tank battle victory. Doesn't really counts.

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AubeSangante Author
AubeSangante

My national pride ? I have to begin this debate because it seems that you think that German we simply to cross without meeting any resistance and maintaining you speak to me about tactical and other, me would answer you with the battle of Bir Hakeim which allowed to avoid the encirclement in the pocket of Tobruk.

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AubeSangante Author
AubeSangante

Oh and about the Somua he resist well again all of the german antitank cannon (88 except of course) as well as those who equiped the PZ II, III . And he inspired the Sherman.

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rkraptor70
rkraptor70

Ahem...Sherman was a pathetic excuse of a tank.

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AubeSangante Author
AubeSangante

Oh please Stfu S-35 whas one of the best tank of 1939-1940 war period and it's all. And the Matilda cannot compete, he unless autonomy, is less fast and in a much less effective (cannon). But the Matilda remains all the same useful as tank of support.

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onikenshin
onikenshin

It was designed splendidly. They just had so much resentment to tanks fighting other tanks, US tank doctrine was implemented by really stupid people. It's design was sound, and near the end of the war it started to perform well like it did at the start. Just was undergunned for most of it's existence is all...

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VWV
VWV

No way this thing was the overall best tank of 1940.
It may have had good armor and a decent gun but it had horrible role distribution among the crew, no radio, not so good mobility...
Also, we all know it was tactics, mobility and coordination among units that made german tanks formidable in the early war, so we should base our rate on these criterias.

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One of the best tank of 1940. It is a pity he is not enough served between good hand

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