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It's not really kind to run over german soldiers.
That one guy in Band of Brothers got ran over. Very painful looking.
For me it is very kind. These mother*****g murderers got what they deserved.
Screw the SS-waffen, the Wermacht, the Nazis and Hitler.
Do not defend racist murderers !!!
War is war...
Do we want to talk about the war crimes russian soldier have done?
They are not very known because they won this time...
Lol. War crimes, russian soldiers have done? I'd like to hear about some.
How about that Polish officer massacre?
Indeed. Terrible, terrible act, done by nazies. This is what you've meant, right?
Are U fu**ing kidding me??
It seems like you are upset. I'm afraid, but you'll have to deal with it.
No I'm not. I just thinking that propaganda has eaten your brain.
The truth ist most valuable and one of the most unreachable thing in our world.
If You are a troll, too bad for me, if U srsly thinking like that that is unpleasant for me and I hope that Polish soldiers again set Polish flag on kremlin like in 1612. BÓG, HONOR, OJCZYZNA. Raz cepem, raz młotem w czerwoną hołotę.
Actually, I'm rather indifferent to your hopes/thoughts, etc. Numerous attempts of modern polish government to slender russians in this act in order to grab cash compensations are really annoying. Especially considering that fact, that there are little less than 0 facts that it was commited by russians and more than enough facts that it was commited by nazies. Have a nice day.
No, no. I don't blame Russian peoples, beacuse they are innocent. I blame NKVD, mostly that fu*king psycho:
Why we talk about cash??
That isn't important. I think that only we should respect the truth.
I have huge part of my family in Russia so I can't tell that they are bad, they are great guys.
I have only one thing to tell you - **** propaganda.
I have no idea why you redirect me to the page with Beria, and that fact that you at all use wikipedia as a trustful source is rather stupid.
And no, NKVD didn't shoot any poles neither in Katyn' nor in Mednoe nor in Pyatihatka. So check your facts. You proclaim that you hate propaganda, but in fact you are already it's victim.
No m8. In whole world we learn that NKVD killed Polish soldiers, scientists, medics etc.
look at rkraptor70.
If he is really from Bangladesh that even in country which shouldn't have any idea about european history he is learned in this way.
Also look at "DUMA", even they accept document that says that Katyn massacre was a "stalinismus" war crime.
Resolution was called: "О Катынской трагедии и ее жертвах"
No I use wiki to give you idea what I'm talking about.
I know that wiki isn't trustful source but. I have any other posibility to make screens from books, documents etc.
Look, I asked my grandma about Katyn today.
She said that any of her teachers never mentionem about that "accident", when one teacher said about Katyn in my city, he was taken by our secret police called "SB".
Isn't that strange??
In my country when we was talking about Soviet attack in 1939, about Katyn, about other facts, secret police took us and kick our *****, sometimes even they killed somebody because of what?? Because of some guy said something stupid or he was talking about uncomfortable facts?? In my country peoples died for truth. Think about it.
Say me, what you have learned about Tiananmen protests??
That is really interesting to me. Somekind of exotic history is good, I can learn more, and more. : )
Sorry for my english, I don't speak english daily, only sometimes I use it in my geological work.
The whole world learnt? And did you even try to swtich on the brain to think is it truth or not? Strange that this question arose only after collapse of the Soviet Union. Even more strange, if russians are guilty, why capitalist countries didn't use this argument during the Cold War as a serious compromising material?
As to the Duma, it not russian government, it's russophobian government. They sold nation's honour for good relations with EU. They lied on purpose to shut the rants from polish government about compensations. They didn't even declassify the documents about Katyn', while those documents which they presented as a prove of NKVD's guilt are falsified: signature of Stalin is fake, signature of Beria is fake, signature of Molotov and Voroshilov is fake, in documents dated by 1940 figurates KPSS while must be VKP(b) [KPSS exists since 1952], one sheet from the documents is printed on modern prinnting machine etc, etc. These documents were researched by independent specialists, including european ones. They performed graphological expertise and all of them declared these documents as false. Did you even read these "documents"? No? So what the hell are we talking about? I come with steadfast facts, while you tell me about your granny? Sorry, but your granny is not a trustfull source.
By the way, do you know that even European Court didn't find any proves of russian guilt? They rejected all polish claims. So you will not get any compensations. For those who don't know, Poland tried to grab 100 billion $ of compensations. Polish government promised that they will find hundred thousands of those, who will bring the claims to the court but they succeed to find only nearly a dozen unsatisfied :D Now they plan another claim to get 200 billion euros.
And I don't know who and why was arrested by your secrete police. You say because of Katyn'? How do you know? Maybe he was spiv? Disclosed former collaborationist? Spy? Or just a pedophile? Bring here concrete names and their cases - we will consider them right here. Otherwise do not even approach to me with rumours and kitchen fables.
You want to learn about Tiananmen protests? Laudable aspiration. But currently you failed to learn your lesson about Katyn'. Be a good guy, make your homework properly and you will hear about protests later.
Now lets listen to some educational course:
1. Did you know that poles, executed in Katyn' were shot from german weapons, which USSR never had? (neither military nor NKVD).
2. Did you know that ammo used for execution also were never used in USSR? (neither by military nor by NKVD).
3. Did you know that dead bodies were bonded by german rope, which was never produced (or imported) in USSR?
4. Did you know that in 1940 in Katyn' there was an active pioneer camp? (you really think that evil NKVD shot poor poles under the accompaniment of pioneer songs, right?)
5. Did you know that dead poles were dressed in their full officer uniform with all rewards, medals and stripes? (you really think that soviets kept prisoners in camps in their full uniform and insignia, right?) [no, they didn't. Prisoners were allowed only to keep their uniform without any insignia]
6. Did you know that all expert commissions found only little more than 1,5 thousand dead corpses in Katyn', instead of declared 22 000?
7. [suddenly] Did you know that most dead poles in Katyn' are in fact dead ukrainians (prisoners, collaborationists), dressed in polish uniform?!
8. [suddenly] Did you know that nazies created diversionist camp in Katyn' during the occupation?
9 Did you know that dead bodies had a bag full of sawdust on their heads, but there is no woodworking facilities nearby, while nazies practised to add sawdust to food for prisoners?
10. Did you know that graves were full of polish money golden watches and other valuables... strange, maybe prisoners wanted to buy something in USSR on polish money? And why bloodthirsty NKVD didn't withdrow all valuables? [prisoners in USSR were allowed to keep some amounts of money, but only soviet money]
11. Did you know that nazies burnt all documentation about Katyn'? Strange, if russians really executed poor poles, why not to save such a great compomising material?
Left-wing, good nigh. : )
I don't wanna write more because it is something like talking with ultra radical musilm about Koran.
That was predictable. Trying to keep a good face during a bad play? No wonder you failed to refute even a single fact, brought by me. But you are right on this point, if you have nothing smart to say, it's better to leave.
You trying to kill me with massive amount of silly facts like red army in WWII, I just think that you have your rights, I have my right. History after years will judge this.
I you think that I want to go away with face, your wrong. But I see that it's have no sense, like tilting at windmills. It's only waste of my precious time.
You are right, you are free to stay happy in your ignorance.
History already judged this. In Smolensk, on the 10th of April in 2010. I find that event rather symbolic: falsifiers of history met their nasty fate.
Your already wasted to much of your "precious time" spreading slander.
I'm soo happy that you say to me "ignorant" :D:D:D
No i think russian soldiers did it.
Who cares what you think? That's not true and there is nothing to speak about.
"War is war" Hitler killed over 60 MILLIONS PEOPLE INCLUDING JEWS, SLAVS, GYPSIES, MIXED RACE...
YOU CALL THAT NORMAL !
Communism also slaughtered millions of innocent people you know right?
Haha, another one. Does a psychiatric hospital have an open day today?
Much less, then ******-up sado-masochist, coprophilic Hitler Nazi party and his Mein-Kampf book plan of extermination and world domination !
Hitler was the sickest bastard man who ever lived. The worst psychotic dictator in the world with so much hatred toward other ethnic groups.
If it wasn't for the 80% Red Army effort I wouldn't had exist right now. You know right ???
Believe it or not but this mad man saved western europe from communism.
No one is saying he was a nice person, everybody did horrible things in ww2 though, even your great red army soldiers raped hundred of thuosands of women across eastern europe.
So this is how you call it? Hitler saved Europe from communism?
Thousand hundreds raped women? Seems like you are really insane. I'm really pity for your family. It is a hard destiny to have a mental patient son.
No, you are just too biased or blind to admit the truth.
Also it's really pathetic from you to call me insane just because you have no arguments to excuse your army actions.
Keep living in your world, where red army is the most glorious and chivalrous army ever existed.
It is me who has no arguments? That's hilarious. I have solid facts behind each my word. At the same time I'm really interested in what kind of cesspool you scoop drivel about Red Army.
What's the problem? You have some complexes about it? Jealousy? SS/Hitler fanboy gets angry? These attempts are just pathetic. You will have to deal with it.
Like i said, everybody had it's share of horror in WW2, you're acting like nothing was done by soviets.
Also i am not defending german army at all, i just can't trust at who disculp the soviet army and act like their conduct was flawless.
It is possible though that Katyn or other executions were just an attempt of the polish government to get large post-communism compensation.
What means you can't trust? Assumptions can't be taken as facts. Bring real facts - we will discuss it.
"Everything can be cognized in comparison" - on the one scale there is nearly 20 million soviet civillians (kids, women and old ones) killed, torched, hanged, poisoned and buried alive as crimes of nazies (I don't mention military casualties here). And on the other scale we have 3 raped fraus throughout defeated Germany as crimes of USSR. If we will compare these numbers - yes, soviet army is indeed flawless.
According to many sources total civilian deaths caused by germany were between 10 millions and 20 millions but civilian deaths of the CCCP are estimated to be from 3 to 8 millions not 20.
We can say with no doubt that germany caused most sufference to other population in WW2 than any other nation.
However i wouldn't say the "three days of raping and looting" victims are to be rated lower than any other victim of the war.
Of course it was to be expected that after all they did, russian people would be really upset and angry and would avenge their comrades and families.
Still, not something to be proud of...
It seems like you don't understand a ****. There were no any days "of raping and looting". When Red Army was entering german cities, streets were empty, civillians were hiding in their houses, beeng afraid that RA will take revenge for the atrocities, Wehrmacht commited in USSR. But nothing happened. Nothing ffs happened, is it hard for you to understand? RA didn't commit atrocities in Germany in return.
Total casualties of USSR in the War are approzimately 26-28 million people. Military casualties of USSR are approximately 9,1-9,7 million peole. Deduct this number from the total quantity and you will get casualties among civillians. The "many sources" you refer to are incompetent. (by the way, what sources?)
You're one sick guy. If the Mossad find you saying that hitler saved humanity you be executed. German soldier commited far worst atrocities than any dictator had commited as a whole !!!
You have to be really naive, aren't you?
No I am not, but you on the other hand, you're one true sick man, who defends Nazism !!!
Looking your profile, watching your comments, you trully proved yourself one of them !!!
And if another Pro-Nazi agression were to happen again, they will all die under tonnes of nukes... And that will be their last !
Do not defend the undefendable.
No one was defending them. For Pete's sake, some people are way too touchy. Besides, the average Wehrmacht soldier fought for country rather than ideology. The SS were scum and paid the price.
Read the Nuremberg trials...
right,so if thats so then a survey taken a year ago in germany painting every third german as a hidden nazi is false right? they all knew what they were fighting for,they knew the truth,the humiliations in the streets,the regular beatdowns you cant hide that,and you cant call them soldiers
and thats just before the war,not even mentioning what happened during the war
You might like to have some information. (not you deniable_pain. This is a message to nickael7.)
Yes, the nazis is murderer's and racist's. They have killed million's of jews under WW2. But the Soviet's did do the same thing. And they have killed over 900 german familie's under "The Siege Of Berlin" because they thought they were german soldeir's disguisted. I think i know alot more than you do.
Hitlerian defender right !!! Nazis killed over 20 millions of innocent civilians. Don't try to defend these bastards. Mossad will put you where you belong...
Oh i'm so scared.
They were not the only evil of human history.
That's what we were trying to point out.
I can name at least another dozen of empires who killed millions of people and still do.
It doesn't matter if people are killed for justice, expansionism, oil, for mother russia, revenge and so on...
A dead man is a dead man, no matter the reason behind the kill.
Also, you and Nazi-Mossad can suck my ****.
lol!!! are u accusing the intelligence agency of the number one enemies to the nazis that they are nazies themselves? u realize who awkward this looks?
Killing on the base of assumptions is indeed a very nazi-like behaviour.
You need psychiatric help ASAP !!!
Great, now we know your true face around here !!!
and just for your info,unlike other intelligence agencies that assume,we know for certainty-all hail the small difference
I know that.
one of the top 3 worst ways to die on a battle field, tank drivers who do it are a holes.
Is it me, or does the KV tank look too big compared to the soldiers its crushing but too small compared to the soldier getting shot in the middle?
Russian How to be tank commander: Don't waste ammo on AT guns! Ride over them!
i think that was a PAK 36 37mm thats why the KV got to him he was stupid enough to think it can take on a KVs front, it was wiser to abandon the gun or try to shot off its treads/tracks.
Well that escalated quickly.
Comment War, over something that is pretty dumb. Massacres happened, people die. Its life.
Exactly. I agree with you.
IST JUST A FREAKING WAR THAT MAN HAS CREATED!!!! JUST STAHP THIS CONVERSATION!!!!
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