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Ukraine has my support. I don't believe their country should be fair game to invading armies nor proxy wars and armed rebels. All their army is trying to do at this point is keep their fragile nation together.

And for the record, democratic elections or not the annexation of Crimea by Russia was a shot below the belt to Ukraine. Taking advantage of other countries hard times and cannibalizing their territories through annexation is by no means *fair and just*.

As for what my country the United States thinks, I consider that irrelevant.
President Obama only cares about domestic issues, and so far his foreign policy has been a complete disaster.

The Ukrainian government was deeply flawed, and many in the Ukraine had legitimate motives to separate.
That being said, I don't believe the Russian government is better, but if its true that the vast majority of Ukrainians in the east want to join Russia, than it would be unjust to deny them their inherent right to be represented as they see fit.

The Ukrainian military is doing its job of defending its nation just like any other military. I feel that the rebels wouldn't have much moral support or traction if it weren't for Russian interference.

The way I see it, the Russians broke international law in annexing Crimea, and should be held accountable. There were non-military channels that could have been used if they wanted the territory, and given their influence, it wouldn't have been much of a challenge. This was nothing more than Putin trying to gain the respect and popularity Russia desperately craves, and he's doing so at the expense of human life. Its filthy politics, and no corner of our planet is safe from it.

The state of the Ukrainian military proper isn't good but it's slowly getting better. Its forced to rely on volunteer militia's formed as it was in the middle of being downsized and didn't expect the situations that have happened and are happening. They were, for all intents and purposes, caught with their pants down. Because of shoddy logistical capabilities, soviet era equipment that hasn't been well maintained, and devastated moral of the soldiers in the beginning years of the war.

It was no surprise that they haven't been able to effectively organize at the start. But as the months went by they've been able to organize themselves and get the equipment they needed from their still restructuring military industry and well as supplies from foreign powers and donations from Ukrainians abroad and other nationalities. Because if this, the help from volunteer battalions, and a re-instituted national guard. The army has been able to push the separatists back into a territorial pocket. Now the momentum they had is all but gone due to the offensive that the separatists should not have been able to pull off with out outside help. Threat of a Russian ground invasion and considering Russia's history in matters like these, their fears have some solid ground. Finally political ringing has stalled, and in some area's, reversed the gains the loyalists have gained thanks to the cease-fire agreements that neither the separatists nor loyalists have respected.

They're better supplied than they were one, two years ago but they're still badly need arms, armaments, armor, manpower, etc. Their military complex has been, and still is, in the process of restructuring, since the Crimea's "legitimate" annexation, in order to meet the current demands of the army. It is a process that's going at a turtles pace, no thanks to corruption, and the factories that are responsible for the manufacturing of the vehicles, weapons, and equipment haven't been well maintained for quite sometime. The supplies being sent by other European nations and the US, ranging from unarmed vehicles, to basic combat supplies, to artillery tracking devices, will work in the short term. But in the long term, Ukraine's military industrial complex needs to be tended to. That way the loyalists can get the supplies they needed domestically and be better equipped for future battles.

They also have a manpower problem as not enough people are signing up for the regular armed forces and are instead either joining the volunteer battalions that aren't assimilated in the national guard; or they're joining the guard. This presents a problem in the near future, if Ukraine is victorious. For after the war, what's going to happen to the volunteer battalions that haven't assimilated into the National Guard. Especially the Azov battalion and oligarch controlled battalions. What will they do? How is the regular army going to keep tabs on them when the battalions outnumber them? How will they be dealt with should they not lay down their arms? What will they do in eastern Ukraine. These are issues that may or may not come up but it would be wise to figure out a plan to answer, or at least mitigate, these problems now than wait for them to happen.

>Came here expecting "DIRTY UKROP NAZIS CRUCIFYING BABIES"

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