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ElfFriend
ElfFriend

finally someone posts something useful, i mean why are so many people against iran if israel is much more dangerous. why don't people see that?

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█Brunez█
█Brunez█

Well, I´m not defending anyone, but I need to say that USA is using heavy propaganda aganist Iran. Man... only to give an idea about the situation, many people said that the world was saved when the Iranian nuclear program was sabotaged. (note: with an virus created by the USA governament)

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Phenixtri
Phenixtri

I say let do the sane thing and leave Israel out to dry if and when they invade Iran. Not our business not our problem we have enough **** to deal with on our own over here state side :/ Most notably the growing threat from right wing Christian Dominionists who are hell bent on turning or democratic republic into a Christian only theocracy ...

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Cybio
Cybio

This conflict is much more complicated ...
... unfortunately it doesn't fit in just four categories ...

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shroomman
shroomman

I think its disgusting putting the swastika in relation to the david-star.

even if the israel state does many bad things I don't think it has anything to do with national-socialism
such things just lead to anti-Semitism, being hatred - and we want peace not hate in this group don't we??

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Phenixtri
Phenixtri

Its there to symbolize Israels hypocrisy seeing as their policies & methods are strikingly similar to the Nazis. As I have always said its all the same **** just different names and in this case trade the name of the persecuted minorities from Jew to Palestinian.

NOTE only Israels government and ruling elite are at fault here the Israeli people are powerless to do anything as any political parties that openly oppose the current right wing administration are openly assassinated by Mosad Israel unfortunately is a one party dictatorship atm.

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CommanderDG
CommanderDG

Iran has sold weapons to terrorist. Why has that not been included(mine shipment, explosive and firearms)? Also, assuming their nuclear program was sabotaged(more conspiracy).... unless all written data is gone, the program will still be underway. Israel, is not an enemy of any major country. Israel is fighting a war which as been here for 2 millennium.
"In the 1950s, Israel was frequently attacked by Palestinian fedayeen, mainly from the Egyptian-occupied Gaza Strip".-Let's not mention this, of course.

or this:

"In 1950 Egypt closed the Suez Canal to Israeli shipping and tensions mounted as armed clashes took place along Israel's borders"

and this:

"On 6 October 1973, as Jews were observing Yom Kippur, the Egyptian and Syrian armies launched a surprise attack against Israel. The war ended on 26 October with Israel successfully repelling Egyptian and Syrian forces but suffering significant losses."

Learn history. I don't care about israel, I don't care about iran, I don't care about my own damned country, not a big fan of nationalism, civilizations, rise and fall, as usual. May the best one, win and assimilate the rest through peaceful means of course. But I will never support, terrorist or any of their allies.

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ComradeWinston Author
ComradeWinston

Israel is a small stick being jabbed into a massive beehive and the US is a big can of Raid that kills anything that dares to buzz.

Has the US not sold weapons and is selling weapons to terrorists? Never mind actually being terrorists in some countries. The occupation of part of Southeast Asia and the bombing of a large portion of it which caused a neighboring countries populace to flee from their farmlands which inevitably caused a food shortage. As well as other acts, be it overthrowing elected leaders and replacing them with dictators, occupying and bombing other countries. The list never ends.

Israel persists in their fight against the sovereignty of Palestine, even getting the US to fight it becoming recognized as it's own nation, by the UN I believe. And now their insane conservative government has been pushing to attack Iran over their likely nonexistent nuclear program that ended back in 2003, while having a stockpile of hundreds of nuclear warheads themselves.

Hypocrisy.

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CommanderDG
CommanderDG

"Has the US not sold weapons and is selling weapons to terrorists?"
Unless you can prove your government implications in selling weapons to terrorist, then no. I am sure there is probably some corrupted individuals but it would be a minority.

"The occupation of part of Southeast Asia ..."
Which country are we referring to exactly? All I can see are autocracy ruled by tyrants which have been liberated or will eventually be.

"As well as other acts, be it overthrowing elected leaders and replacing them with dictators"
Further evidence is required for your claims, please?

"Israel persists in their fight against the sovereignty ..."
How is this relevant?

"And now their insane conservative government..."
Iran has

The enemy of my enemy is my ally. Call it what you wish.

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ComradeWinston Author
ComradeWinston

Alright, history lesson time.

Latest US Coup(only one to fail to my knowledge)
Guardian.co.uk

US Supported Coup/Assassination of Salvador Allende in Chile
Amte.wordpress.com

Sale of Weapons to Middle East
Rt.com
(dealings with Taliban during Cold War are common knowledge, if you don't know that is on you)

US support of Khmer Rouge
Chss.montclair.edu

Iranian Coup of 1953
En.wikipedia.org'état

My enemy is my enemy, and occasionally a tool against other enemies, but never will either be my friend.

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CommanderDG
CommanderDG

Here's the short version:
No proof, still theories no official statement with the exception of the Iranian coup d'état. U.S. allying themselves with communist in the cold war? How preposterous? They have perhaps help the Communist Party of Kampuchea by fighting the other communist faction located in the region, but there were no direct cooperation.

Dealings with Talibans huh? How interesting, let me fetch you the actual facts:
"This assistance was provided in the context of U.S.-Soviet competition for influence in the Middle East and therefore under very favorable conditions, often practically free of charge or under long-term loan arrangements that were never expected to be repaid. "
Meria.idc.ac.il

Blame both of the parties involved next time, you seem to have a tendency to ignore some specific entities. In addition to the fact, that the USSR too were selling weapons to middle eastern nations. That too is common knowledge. You simply cannot make these comparison especially in time of war. Quite aside from the fact, it was in response of the communist's recruitment strategy.

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CommanderDG
CommanderDG

When you take the Iranian coup d'état(A.K.A. CIA's and MI6's join-operation ajax) out of context it sure sound terrible but when you are be reminded that the west was competing against the USSR for the control of the middle east, well you see that war was already in place and that it was a truly sad but a result of collateral damage of the cold war. You shouldn't blame the soldiers who are restoring peace, you should blame those who destroy that peace in the first place. Namely, fanatics and dictators. The CIA have made reprehensible actions and I cannot denied it, to my knowledge, Iran truly was neutral at that time, but I still think that overall, U.S. involvement in the middle east as whole, was still in the global population best interest.

In response to your concluding statement, I would rather have allies than more enemies. However, having friend is a luxury. I will choose liberty of thinking and truth over subjugation any day.

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CommanderDG
CommanderDG

ah there's missing a few sentences.

*Iran has establish and continued a nuclear program without UN's approval. And have worked on a delivery system, though whether or not it could work is pure speculation, thus I must give you the benefits of the doubt. Also, Barky is far from conservative. I am happy that there is no longer any racial prejudice, on the other hand, Obama is incompetent.

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CommanderDG
CommanderDG

In any case, we have much extrapolated from the original topic. Point being, Iran is far more a treat than Israel as I had pointed out in my first comment.

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CommanderDG
CommanderDG

Threat*

And thank for the thumb war. It was obviously really necessary to add that to the list.

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Ahrimansiah
Ahrimansiah

why iran is a treat??? are u guys blind or cant hear???
irans government treat usa,israel,england, and many none other islamic countries in their EVERY SINGLE speech!!!!
watch news and research a little more and u will know why irans government is the worst treat to world and its own ppl!
irans government is hunger for power and want to convert whole world to the stupid religion of islam!
and u guys ask why everyone worry about iran with nuclear power?

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Ahrimansiah
Ahrimansiah

and remove this ******* ******** picture!! iran killed more than 1000 ppl of ITS OWN from start of islamic republic until now!!!
its like an insult to all my ppl who did try to stop my damn dark government and sacrificed their life in this path

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ComradeWinston Author
ComradeWinston

Destructive to it's own people Iran may be, but nowhere nearly as outwardly harmful as Israel. Though in the end that certainly doesn't matter, one evil being lesser than another, the problem is the greater evil has the west on a leash. Which is a serious problem.

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Ahrimansiah
Ahrimansiah

pfff give power of US to iran and u will understand whats EVIL!

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ComradeWinston Author
ComradeWinston

You'd get a more theocratic version of the US that bothers to hide less than the US currently does and is less aggressive towards other nations. Aside from that there would still be racism, homophobia, and so on, just a bit more due to Islamic culture. All in all, not much difference.

Fascism would have a beard instead of a smile on its face.

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ComradeWinston Author
ComradeWinston

...then again, Jihad is always a nice excuse to kill people.

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Ori`verda
Ori`verda

Family Guy: So what you're saying is... We should invade Iran?

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Ominous-Spud
Ominous-Spud

What an absolute load of bollocks. ComradeWinston if you would look into this a little more you'll have your mind blown for sure. This is such a wonderfully media biased post it amazes me... Sovereignty of Palestine? really? Wow, I'm rather amazed at how mad your post actually got me.
I really could go on but I can't be bothered at this moment in time.

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