I'd much prefer a passive idiot over an openly homophobic **********. I know this is a joke, but since when is being an aggressive ******* manly or being a good president.
I don't understand this whole cult of personality garbage behind Putin. **** the guy, honestly.
Yeah, Putin's only redeeming value as a leader is that he at least has balls. But since that's combined with the fact that he's, as you put it, an aggressive *******... doesn't really make him the kind of guy I'd want in charge.
I know. Putin, the ******* idiot, banned imported foods from the E.U., Canada and the U.S.A. Obviously a retarded idea considering how ****** Russia is agriculturally. But what does the well-being of the Russian people matter, right?
And people consider this chest-slapping mongoloid a competent leader? He's got balls, but no brains. Actively encouraging hate crimes, homophobia and racism in his country which will no doubt lead to suffering.
**** him, and his ******* cheetah!
Just had to get that off my tits.
For mother Russia: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5B8nbmkjsMQ
Okay so there's the "cult following" of Putin, and then there's actually the respect for him because of what he has done for Russia. CureOptimism, stop looking at the fanboyism and read up on the guy, you will be genuinely surprised. Even something as simple as Wikipedia gives information about him that is thought provoking. All I'm hearing from most of you guys is simply "Western Media", blaring like a fog horn on a still night.
As for the "unpopular opinion that the guy is a scumbag"... Last I heard everyone was blaming him for shooting MH17 down. Yeah, him personally.
Encouraging hate crimes and homophobia? Are you off your rocker? CureOptimism, a little advice, believe nothing you hear, and only half of what you see, and maybe then you'll start getting an idea of what really goes on. Start by looking at Russia's actual policy towards homosexuals.
If any of you actually had an idea of what this whole Ukraine crisis coupled with the aggressive NATO expansion was spelling for Russia you'd be thanking your lucky stars that Putin isn't a lesser man, who is someone who thinks twice before about nuking the lot of you. Because you realise that capability is still there right? Nothing has changed from the Cold War. There is no winning this.
I could take you guys to town on who Putin is but I know I'd be wasting my time. If you genuinely want to know what this guy is about then do your research. If you don't, well just keep doing what you're doing.
Russia's policy on homosexuals boils down to "You're allowed to live here, as long as you stay in the closet and shut your mouth". Not to mention the "gay propaganda" bill, because we don't want dem faggots indoctrinatin' da children! And then there is the racism, which is only perpetuated by Putin and his extremely close-minded views on foreigners and their cultures. A cretinous xenophobe.
And yes, on ModDB it seems an overwhelming amount of people enjoy fellating Putin, and it's reprehensible in my mind.
Seems there is no middle ground anymore. Either you are a ridiculous PC hellhole like Sweden, or a hateful cesspit like most Eastern European countries.
You realise that they are enormously different culturally over there right? Your claims of racism are actually sort of funny. As is calling Putin a xenophobe. Honestly you're proving you know nothing about the country, nothing about the people, nothing about their culture, and nothing about their president, as is the case with most everyone that decides they'll take Russia to task because of a personal grievance they've formed from their media. A xenophobe wouldn't embrace the Asian market. A xenophobe would not set up a cooperative bank to combat the US dollar hegemony.
Russia's policy on homosexuals is a policy the people wanted and voted on, not what some minority group demanded. Just because Western culture can't even begin to grasp the idea of differing cultures does not mean that that culture is wrong.
Adding to your "PC hellhole" and "hateful cesspit" what about, "actively stopping the advancements of modern society" and "everyone should embrace democracy" "It's a Wetsern mindset, so it's the right mindset". This, in essence, is exactly where you're coming from, judge, jury, and fricken executioner. Of course seeing the wood through the trees is another matter entirely, isn't it?
Your attempts at justifying Russian homophobia is interesting. They are free to have mob rule in Russia, just like I am free to criticize them for being primitive morons. If a certain cultural element is detrimental to anyone's individual rights and freedoms as human beings, then it should be critiqued and eventually changed. Homophobia, bigotry and hatred has no place in any modern society. And Russia has demonstrated this plenty of times
And enough of that "You're just a mindless media consumer sheep" garbage. I get enough of that from pseudo-anarchist shitheels already.
Seriously, democracy and cultural differences is all well and good until people start infringing others' rights. Especially when it is over something as benign as homosexuality.
So, the Russian people don't want the open practice of homosexuality in their country. The Government goes, "Cool, no open practising of homosexuality then."
They respect the majority vote, and you have an issue with that. I have a suggestion. How about you focus more energy on protesting what goes on in countries like Saudi Arabia, you know, where they stone people to death for practising homosexuality, on a regular basis. That's persecution, that's homophobia. Calling Russians homophobes for not agreeing with the practice is like calling you a Russophobe for not agreeing with Russian policy. See where the line gets blurred?
On another note, if your entire basis for your dislike of Russian Government, policy, belief, culture, etc. is on "Russians being homophobic" then I really don't think you have a case. Your opinion is your opinion, I respect that for what it is. Just don't expect the rest of the world to go along with it.
Well thank you for respecting my opinion, man. I really do appreciate it and I have nothing against you, so if I came across aggressive towards you personally, then I apologize. I have transient insomnia and have been tired off my ***, usually I'm not so pissy.
And I do think what happens in countries like Saudi Arabia is deplorable. The main difference between them and Russia is that Russia is a relatively advanced society. The propaganda present in the Russian media vilifies homosexuals as child molesters and the like, and no legal action is taken on those who torment them. In fact, you can see a lot of videos of Russian teens being assaulted with no repercussions. Things like these make me wonder what the best option would be to maximize freedom and happiness, and minimize blind bigotry and hatred without taking the role of the thought police and enforcing ridiculous laws like in Sweden.
Putin signing the anti gay propaganda bill was most despicable in my eyes, and ridiculous. Along with his recent banning of imported foods from the west, which I feel is senseless posturing at the expense of the well-being of his country.
Either way, I still stand behind what I said about Putin and his politics. I just had to get it out.
This whole "Right to discrimination" thing is really quite reprehensible. Of course I have an issue with them chastising homosexuals simply because they want to **** a person of the same gender, it's senseless and there is absolutely no reason for it. And I'm not a Russiaphobe, I just despise homophobes for being idiots. Just so happens that a lot of Russians are homophobic
If you deny Russian discrimination against gays, you are demonstrably wrong, I'm sorry. Being oppressed doesn't require you to be outright slaughtered. It's a deeply ingrained phobia that is perpetuated by the Russian media that oppresses them. Their sexuality must be silenced or it will be stamped out, you don't see an issue with that? If not, then I guess there is little more to discuss.
Anyway, let's end this because it will lead nowhere.
And the end of the day, no matter what which way you look at it, it comes down to moral standpoint.
I agree. No one is going to change their mind here, what I see as serious misinformation is seen as information by many others, and I'm damn well sick of fighting the tide.
Thank you all the same for remaining cordial in your own way, nothing is worse than a conversation degenerating into personal attacks.
don't waste your time, friend. no point to argue with canadian, since he definitely know more than us about Putin's crimes, oppression of gays in Russia and suffering of Russian people under strict dictatorship.
When did I mention Putin's "crimes" or suffering of the Russian people? All I did was say Putin is an *******, which he is. I also mentioned how gays are treated like dogshit, which they are. Do you deny this?
Seems like ppndΣ-snouıɯΘ is the only smart one out of you lot.
Also, he should know whether or not it is actually a happening thing in the first place.
A thing a lot of people overlook in Russia is that it is quite ethnically vast. If you look at the differing of ideals across various states in the USA you get a small glimpse of the differing ideals throughout the many regions of Russia. Knowing media in general, it'd be likely that random occurrences spread out over various provinces and regions are combined to give an overly biased view on how gays are treated in Russia.
Personally I can see that Russian policy as a whole towards gays is completely logical. Your country's populace is heavily Orthodox Christian, with a spattering of Muslims in the lower regions. Why cater to a minority when you could potentially have an outraged majority. Also, an occasion where a homosexual is abused in Russia (either made up, or actually a real thing) is a rare occurrence. Why? Because the population of homosexuals is genuinely to low for it to be a common happening.
Oh of course, Russia is extremely ethnically diverse. It is the second largest immigrant receiver in the world, apparently. But there is also a large number of racists. Something like 27 people were murdered by neo-nazis in 2005, although hate-crime statistics have since then gone down luckily.
Roberto Carlos who was a football player for a Russian team had bananas thrown at him in 2011. And recently on Barack Obama's birthday, some people displayed a light show on the U.S. Embassy in Moscow of Barack Obama eating a banana. It's a diverse country, but clearly racist in a lot of ways. And I'm not saying that all Russian are racists, before you get all mad at me.
As for the homosexuals being abused, that may be true on a political level, but I still find it extremely reprehensible. But I can admit to that being emotion fueled backlash.
Meh, I'd rather play golf.. Oh wait, I already do.
ours? your president has no power here.
I'd much prefer a passive idiot over an openly homophobic **********. I know this is a joke, but since when is being an aggressive ******* manly or being a good president.
I don't understand this whole cult of personality garbage behind Putin. **** the guy, honestly.
*sighs at another "Putin's so cool image"*
*Reads comments, and gets to CureOptimism's*
*Slow claps*
Yeah, Putin's only redeeming value as a leader is that he at least has balls. But since that's combined with the fact that he's, as you put it, an aggressive *******... doesn't really make him the kind of guy I'd want in charge.
I know. Putin, the ******* idiot, banned imported foods from the E.U., Canada and the U.S.A. Obviously a retarded idea considering how ****** Russia is agriculturally. But what does the well-being of the Russian people matter, right?
And people consider this chest-slapping mongoloid a competent leader? He's got balls, but no brains. Actively encouraging hate crimes, homophobia and racism in his country which will no doubt lead to suffering.
**** him, and his ******* cheetah!
Just had to get that off my tits.
For mother Russia: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5B8nbmkjsMQ
>> considering how ****** Russia is agriculturally.
That is stupid sentence far from reality
The fact that Russia looked towards the west for a great portion of produce, and is now relying on Brazil for a it says otherwise.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2014/08/10/putins-european-food-ban-bad-for-russia-good-for-brazil/
Oh, but this is just my "western media propaganda" speaking through me. Not like Russia has propaganda or anything.
It's all a joke really, lol, I doubt someone takes all this Putin stuff seriously.
I sure hope not.
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I believe that pp2000 is vladimir's Pet :p
Guys, whatever fanclub Putin has, you have to admit that he got Russia stand to be a superpower again. That's what should make him cool, not these...
Okay so there's the "cult following" of Putin, and then there's actually the respect for him because of what he has done for Russia. CureOptimism, stop looking at the fanboyism and read up on the guy, you will be genuinely surprised. Even something as simple as Wikipedia gives information about him that is thought provoking. All I'm hearing from most of you guys is simply "Western Media", blaring like a fog horn on a still night.
As for the "unpopular opinion that the guy is a scumbag"... Last I heard everyone was blaming him for shooting MH17 down. Yeah, him personally.
Encouraging hate crimes and homophobia? Are you off your rocker? CureOptimism, a little advice, believe nothing you hear, and only half of what you see, and maybe then you'll start getting an idea of what really goes on. Start by looking at Russia's actual policy towards homosexuals.
If any of you actually had an idea of what this whole Ukraine crisis coupled with the aggressive NATO expansion was spelling for Russia you'd be thanking your lucky stars that Putin isn't a lesser man, who is someone who thinks twice before about nuking the lot of you. Because you realise that capability is still there right? Nothing has changed from the Cold War. There is no winning this.
I could take you guys to town on who Putin is but I know I'd be wasting my time. If you genuinely want to know what this guy is about then do your research. If you don't, well just keep doing what you're doing.
Russia's policy on homosexuals boils down to "You're allowed to live here, as long as you stay in the closet and shut your mouth". Not to mention the "gay propaganda" bill, because we don't want dem faggots indoctrinatin' da children! And then there is the racism, which is only perpetuated by Putin and his extremely close-minded views on foreigners and their cultures. A cretinous xenophobe.
And yes, on ModDB it seems an overwhelming amount of people enjoy fellating Putin, and it's reprehensible in my mind.
Seems there is no middle ground anymore. Either you are a ridiculous PC hellhole like Sweden, or a hateful cesspit like most Eastern European countries.
You realise that they are enormously different culturally over there right? Your claims of racism are actually sort of funny. As is calling Putin a xenophobe. Honestly you're proving you know nothing about the country, nothing about the people, nothing about their culture, and nothing about their president, as is the case with most everyone that decides they'll take Russia to task because of a personal grievance they've formed from their media. A xenophobe wouldn't embrace the Asian market. A xenophobe would not set up a cooperative bank to combat the US dollar hegemony.
Russia's policy on homosexuals is a policy the people wanted and voted on, not what some minority group demanded. Just because Western culture can't even begin to grasp the idea of differing cultures does not mean that that culture is wrong.
Adding to your "PC hellhole" and "hateful cesspit" what about, "actively stopping the advancements of modern society" and "everyone should embrace democracy" "It's a Wetsern mindset, so it's the right mindset". This, in essence, is exactly where you're coming from, judge, jury, and fricken executioner. Of course seeing the wood through the trees is another matter entirely, isn't it?
Your attempts at justifying Russian homophobia is interesting. They are free to have mob rule in Russia, just like I am free to criticize them for being primitive morons. If a certain cultural element is detrimental to anyone's individual rights and freedoms as human beings, then it should be critiqued and eventually changed. Homophobia, bigotry and hatred has no place in any modern society. And Russia has demonstrated this plenty of times
And enough of that "You're just a mindless media consumer sheep" garbage. I get enough of that from pseudo-anarchist shitheels already.
Seriously, democracy and cultural differences is all well and good until people start infringing others' rights. Especially when it is over something as benign as homosexuality.
So, the Russian people don't want the open practice of homosexuality in their country. The Government goes, "Cool, no open practising of homosexuality then."
They respect the majority vote, and you have an issue with that. I have a suggestion. How about you focus more energy on protesting what goes on in countries like Saudi Arabia, you know, where they stone people to death for practising homosexuality, on a regular basis. That's persecution, that's homophobia. Calling Russians homophobes for not agreeing with the practice is like calling you a Russophobe for not agreeing with Russian policy. See where the line gets blurred?
On another note, if your entire basis for your dislike of Russian Government, policy, belief, culture, etc. is on "Russians being homophobic" then I really don't think you have a case. Your opinion is your opinion, I respect that for what it is. Just don't expect the rest of the world to go along with it.
Well thank you for respecting my opinion, man. I really do appreciate it and I have nothing against you, so if I came across aggressive towards you personally, then I apologize. I have transient insomnia and have been tired off my ***, usually I'm not so pissy.
And I do think what happens in countries like Saudi Arabia is deplorable. The main difference between them and Russia is that Russia is a relatively advanced society. The propaganda present in the Russian media vilifies homosexuals as child molesters and the like, and no legal action is taken on those who torment them. In fact, you can see a lot of videos of Russian teens being assaulted with no repercussions. Things like these make me wonder what the best option would be to maximize freedom and happiness, and minimize blind bigotry and hatred without taking the role of the thought police and enforcing ridiculous laws like in Sweden.
Putin signing the anti gay propaganda bill was most despicable in my eyes, and ridiculous. Along with his recent banning of imported foods from the west, which I feel is senseless posturing at the expense of the well-being of his country.
Either way, I still stand behind what I said about Putin and his politics. I just had to get it out.
This whole "Right to discrimination" thing is really quite reprehensible. Of course I have an issue with them chastising homosexuals simply because they want to **** a person of the same gender, it's senseless and there is absolutely no reason for it. And I'm not a Russiaphobe, I just despise homophobes for being idiots. Just so happens that a lot of Russians are homophobic
If you deny Russian discrimination against gays, you are demonstrably wrong, I'm sorry. Being oppressed doesn't require you to be outright slaughtered. It's a deeply ingrained phobia that is perpetuated by the Russian media that oppresses them. Their sexuality must be silenced or it will be stamped out, you don't see an issue with that? If not, then I guess there is little more to discuss.
Anyway, let's end this because it will lead nowhere.
And the end of the day, no matter what which way you look at it, it comes down to moral standpoint.
I agree. No one is going to change their mind here, what I see as serious misinformation is seen as information by many others, and I'm damn well sick of fighting the tide.
Thank you all the same for remaining cordial in your own way, nothing is worse than a conversation degenerating into personal attacks.
AND CAN WE CUT IT WITH THE GODDAMN KARMA CRAP GUYS?!
... Seriously dumbest system on ModDB.
Everyone else might be Karma trolling, but I'm glad that you're a cool guy despite our differences. So positive karma from me all the same.
don't waste your time, friend. no point to argue with canadian, since he definitely know more than us about Putin's crimes, oppression of gays in Russia and suffering of Russian people under strict dictatorship.
When did I mention Putin's "crimes" or suffering of the Russian people? All I did was say Putin is an *******, which he is. I also mentioned how gays are treated like dogshit, which they are. Do you deny this?
Seems like ppndΣ-snouıɯΘ is the only smart one out of you lot.
You do realise Nasorog is a Russian, right? -_-
I do. So he should theoretically know first hand. But as you said, it's radically different culturally and he likely doesn't see it as a problem.
Also, he should know whether or not it is actually a happening thing in the first place.
A thing a lot of people overlook in Russia is that it is quite ethnically vast. If you look at the differing of ideals across various states in the USA you get a small glimpse of the differing ideals throughout the many regions of Russia. Knowing media in general, it'd be likely that random occurrences spread out over various provinces and regions are combined to give an overly biased view on how gays are treated in Russia.
Personally I can see that Russian policy as a whole towards gays is completely logical. Your country's populace is heavily Orthodox Christian, with a spattering of Muslims in the lower regions. Why cater to a minority when you could potentially have an outraged majority. Also, an occasion where a homosexual is abused in Russia (either made up, or actually a real thing) is a rare occurrence. Why? Because the population of homosexuals is genuinely to low for it to be a common happening.
Oh of course, Russia is extremely ethnically diverse. It is the second largest immigrant receiver in the world, apparently. But there is also a large number of racists. Something like 27 people were murdered by neo-nazis in 2005, although hate-crime statistics have since then gone down luckily.
Roberto Carlos who was a football player for a Russian team had bananas thrown at him in 2011. And recently on Barack Obama's birthday, some people displayed a light show on the U.S. Embassy in Moscow of Barack Obama eating a banana. It's a diverse country, but clearly racist in a lot of ways. And I'm not saying that all Russian are racists, before you get all mad at me.
As for the homosexuals being abused, that may be true on a political level, but I still find it extremely reprehensible. But I can admit to that being emotion fueled backlash.
well, i never claimed being smart. are you smart?
Oh here we go again.
No kidding.