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Hello and welcome to the group. This is just my welcome letter for people who joined (or are going to join) this DA fan group.
Next time when u will play game, in Ostagar, on ur way to the tower, just look to the horizon. U will see that dark spawns are limitless. They have no rearward, no flanks. Logains attack would be just a useless sudicide. He saved his army and he did right. There is no way it could be called a treason.
"Sometimes, if you fight greater evil which treatens whole world, then you must unite and fight side-by-side..." - sometimes victory over bigger evil (dark spawns) is senseless if smaller evil (orlesians) triumphs soon after the victory, enslaving Ferelden 2nd time.
"...and since kalian was kind, she became queen, even so kalian is more king that anora is queen if that makes sense" - it doens't make any sense. Anora is a queen without any "ifs" and "buts".
"...when I tell my best friend something, it means I want better for him and I care for him, no matter it is personal life or not..." - it is only your subjective opinion. It can be far different from his one.
"Well as for anora, yes she was legimate queen, be she never ruled her country, which was ruled by logain which is another fact" - IN FACT, Kailan never cared about ruling the country, IN FACT, Anora always ruled the country instead of him.
"...he was stupid enough not to understand that treachery..." - to leave arrogant idiot on the battlefield and to save army is not a treason, to invite former invaders, like Kailan wanted - this is a treason. (Return to Ostagar is official addition [DLC] to original DAO.)
Who is this Kalian? A mix between Calian and Kain from Legacy of Kain who has the same voice as Loghain?
You want an irony ? Loghain's voice actor is the same as Kain's.
...and I don't see anything strange here.
Kain is a vampire tyrant king. Loghain seems to be evil at first but as many have stated - had his own reasons for what he did and he truly thought he was protecting his country but to me - that doesn't excuse what he did. The irony between Kain and Loghain is that Kain had long black hair when he was a human and I think that's what Bioware based Loghain on - Kain's younger self.
Actually, it might be so, but even that way, Loghain's charge would be fruitful. With him and thhe king making pressure on the darkspawn, the grey wardens could hunt the archdemon down, until killing it, while making **signficant** changes on the darkspawn's numbers.
Yes well as I said, I never played return to Ostagar. Nothing in the original game proves that Logain was right. Lol and I don't understand where you get that information, like "Calian never ruled country and the queen did" or "Orlesians conquering ferelden second time".
Anyways, there's no point in continiuing this, you have your own opinion, I have my own, and no matter what we say to each other, we will still believe in our facts.
"Nothing in the original game proves that Logain was right" - who wanted, found the proof.
"...I don't understand where you get that information..." - did u talk with Eamon? Anora? Logain?
"Orlesians conquering ferelden second time" - like nothing proves the opposite. They did it once, nothing could prevent them to do it 2nd time. People don't know what is dark spawns, but they know very well what is orlesian yoke. Thus, apprehensions were more than real.
"I never played return to Ostagar" - what doesn't mean that u can disavow. RTO is an integral part of DAO, it is one story.
Yes but, Isn't it in RTO that you discover more information about Calian?
Oh and yes, I won't be replying my opposite thought to that :P Because this talk will take us nowhere. You believe in your truth, I believe in mine.
So anyone wants to write their endings? or some cool experiences in DA.
i just hope that Dragon's Age 2 be at least a bit better than the first chessy one.
lol sad, da2 was more " cheesy"
For me, DA was ONE OF THE BEST games I have ever played in entire my life (even if it's a short one, I've played tons of games). For me, game was prefect. And I don't care about the combat system, because the whole story and dialogue system was fantastic and graphics were good too.
It wasn't that cheesey I though it was more spicey than cheesey
So, how where your epilogues (questionmark)
***SPOILERS*** - Destroyed The Circle(helped templars), slaughtered elfs(helped werewolves), helped Belen (reserved a golden statue of myself), recruited warriors from Death Legion, saved Anvil (helped Branka), pardoned Zevran, killed Flemeth, killed Majorline, killed Koutren, killed all dragonzzz, annihilated elfs-prisoners in blood magic ritual, saved The Dust, saved Redcliff village, sacrificed Izolda in blood magic ritual, concluded a deal with a demon(in fact, intimidated her), pardoned Logain, executed Alister, Anora - queen, romance - Morrigan, black magic ritual, I'm a prince(if nobleman) 100% of quests are fulfilled. The best ending.
i love you lol.
My god... you are one evil communist. Why did you kill alistair for? :( And I destroyed the anvil. I also killed that damn demon inside that kid. But well yes, I do agree with helping Templars...
Why I killed Alister:
1) He always dissaproves;
3) He got on my nerves. His vagary on the Meeting in Denerim exceeded all limits. He withdrawed from responsibility in the very beginning, but suddenly, in the very end, when king's throne drove near, he started to dictate any conditions. Who the hell is he to demand anything? "Kill Logain! Kill Logain", aye, aye 5 times. Besides, his execution will protect Anora's rule.
4) He would be weak king:
5) Who is he and who is Logain? He is deadbeat, mumbler, moaner while Logain is a national hero, veteran, experienced warrior and excellent commander.
6) Bad teammate: helpless in early stages of the game and useless in later ones. (but it is more like claims to the class but nevertheless)
So this is the only evil act, I did?
Logain was a traitor and a bastard, he should have never been a king, and he had no right to take it. By lies and treacherous acts, he almost destroyed the whole kingdom while they had a chance to win. Even after he became the king, we saw that he couldn't keep the kingdom from blight, and it was by the help of player, that kingdom was brought to peace again. As for Alistair, well as it seems he was a good person, and unlike logain, a person to rely on, like someone who won't betray you even after long years of friendship. Lol and of course he would dissaprove the relationship with that witch morrigan, even I dissaprove when my friend has a terrible girlfriend. Throne didn't belong to anora at least, but I killed the traitor, kept friend alistair alive, and gave the throne back to its owner. So yes, you might think it was a good ending for you, but I may think mine was better. Someone other should decide this :D
Traitor? This is ridiculous.
They had no chance in that battle - this is 1st. Protagonist sent a signal too late - this is second. To save the rest of the army was the most adequate act here - this is the 3rd.
To invite former invaders(orlesians) - would be true treason. Logain never was a king and he didn't pretend to be. His daughter was a queen, he had enought power and authority without throne.
Thanks to player, Ferelden mired in civil war. So, don't manipulate facts. This vulgarian Kailan never was Logain's friend, his father was. Alister is not at liberty to approve/dissaprove players choice, coz it's his personal life. And u too are not allowed to do this. And Anora is a true queen - she was legitimate wife of a king. Player, Alister and Eamon are just coups.
They Are warriors arent they? That means their duty is to fight, Not run away from trouble. hmpf.. humans.
HAS NO ONE PLAYED RETURN TO OSTAGAR ? LOGHAIN RETREATED BECAUSE THAT IMBECILE CAILAN WAS GOING TO GET MARRIED TO ORLAIS'S EMPRESS !
and that would be wise, an aliance with orlesians means good power.
Nope I haven't, and I don't know if they revealed something in Reurn to Ostagar, but I was talking from what I say and what I played in original game.
Anyhow, you find a letter of correspondence between Cailan and the empress about Anora don't giving him heirs and suggesting him to find another wife.
Wait, are you serious? When did you alst play the game? 1. It is obvious that when signal is given, after that Loghain leaves his comrades to die, and flanking from the right who have changed the battle, he has no honor, I don't know what he did in past for example, but now he is a clear amdman and a traitor to me. 2. Sometimes, if you fight greater evil which treatens whole world, then you must unite and fight side-by-side no matter what, same with orlesians. 3. His daughter was a queen because SHE married kalian, and since kalian was kind, she became queen, even so kalian is more king that anora is queen if that makes sense. 4. I seriously dont know what friendship means to you, but when I tell my best friend something, it means I want better for him and I care for him, no matter it is personal life or not, that's what best friends are meant for, and thats how we understand it in our country.
Well as for anora, yes she was legimate queen, be she never ruled her country, which was ruled by logain which is another fact. That was his plan even from beggining, and he wasn't stupid. Yes he may have been excellent patriot and commander, but he was stupid enough not to understand that treachery in this kind of situation will bring you to worse. That I learned from the history of my country...
What do you mean?
Ya know, endings.
Oh well **SPOILER** I think I had quite a good ending. I had romance with morrigan, I killed logain and got Alistair on my side, then I asked the queen for her hand and became king consort in the end... Hmm, I think I said everything...
Well, me: Got to be chanceller to Allistair, romanced Morigan, chose Bhelen,sided with the elves, sided with the mages, didn't kill the High DRagon.
Oh yes I almost forgot, I killed some kind of Dragon (If thats what you are talking about) and then got some really cool armor from wayne out of its scales. Then I sided with Templars and Elves. I also killed Morrigans moter (that witch). Well, it appears she's still alive in 2nd game...
Bet it IS A CLONE, TÁTÁ TÁÁÁÁÁÁÁÁ !!!
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