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Jan 5, 2012 Conservatives of Mod DB News 29 comments

So then Barack Obama has declaered "I would put our legislative and foreign policy accomplishments in our first two years against any president — with...

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Nov 22, 2011 Conservatives of Mod DB News 23 comments

Hello. Many Americans today can agree that our situation is horrible and is worse than when we had Bush.

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Nov 10, 2011 Conservatives of Mod DB News 19 comments

Well ive been thinking of starting this group for a while, but what made meactualy start it was Headhunter128s stupidity and insults he thinks Obama is...

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JingoMan
JingoMan Jun 9 2012, 6:25am says:

Take it this is only for American "conservatives" who want to preserve the LIBERAL ideals of their revolution. Because true conservatism is monarchism. And a true Christian follows the King of KINGS (God).

Thomas Paine the guy who "inspired" the American Revolution, was a communist after all, Karl Marx just hadn't been born yet so he couldn't call himself one, but he wanted the government to own all land.

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CommanderDG
CommanderDG Jun 13 2012, 1:53pm replied:

Owning all the land vs owning all the industries and all wealth.
Not quite the same...
Besides, the government doesn't own the land, it asume control of the land and protect it. The land, if you buy/own it, it's yours.

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JingoMan
JingoMan Jun 13 2012, 2:11pm replied:

There were no "industries" in Thomas Paine's time as the Industrial Revolution hadn't happened yet.

And actually, the US government owns the MOST land of any government, and nearly 55% of all US land is owned by the government, and a supermajority of the arable farmland is in government hands preventing it's use.

My point was that the revolution's starter (Thomas Paine) was a rabid communist, albeit Karl Marx hadn't been born yet so Paine didn't have the convenience of using the Marxist label.

The "founders" you Americans worship were mostly monarchists who rose up, like Washington, to spare their country from anarchy (they hated democracy and have many quotes to that effect). They unfortunately succumbed to the desire for power and made it a Republic, knowing full well Republics are basically civil-war ridden, partisan faction building power vacuums waiting to be filled by Caesar/Nero types (Hence Hitler and Mao both being elected to power in Republics).

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CommanderDG
CommanderDG Jun 18 2012, 6:20am replied:

Industries doesn't means factories. Industries has pretty much always existed in a form or another. It has 4 components/sectors:
Primary sector- Resources extraction
Secondary sector- Resource transformation
Tertiary sector- services
Quaternary Sector- information technology(however, you are correct, this sector didn't existed back then.)
What the industrial revolution allowed is faster extraction, production, and selling of the resources and industrial goods and thus increase the volume of goods exchanged in the market.

I do not know sufficiently about the U.S. history to dispute your other statements and assumptions, so I will let a real U.S. citizen correct those if needed.

My point being, to my knowledge, while I do know little about that writer, I do not believe he was close to being a communist. A socialist, sure, but not a communist. In addition too, in a communist state, there is not any private ownership of any kind. I know that the government owns a part of the land, but citizens have the right of owning a part of it too. You could argue he was socialist but not communist.

Communism-"a theory or system of social organization based on the holding of all property in common, actual ownership being ascribed to the community as a whole or to the state. "

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JingoMan
JingoMan Jun 18 2012, 7:06am replied:

Actually by that defintion, Thomas Paine IS A COMMUNIST. You're only proving my point further.

For example, he said: "the earth, in its natural uncultivated state was, and ever would have continued to be, the common property of the human race;"

He also suggests all farmers should pay a huge tax, and he has this strange idea that the system of landed property he despises so much came about because of farmers (forgetting government's role).

He is one of the first to suggest the social security pension system America suffers from today, and he even argues for an entitlement that is crazy even by today's standards: that every citizen be paid a humongous sum on becoming an adult (21 years old).

Translated to today's amounts, he'd want everyone given $25,000 at the taxpayer's expense when they turn 21 with no strings attached on how to use it.

So yes, America was started by a crazy communist.

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Ambient_Malice Creator
Ambient_Malice Apr 19 2012, 3:36am says:

Well, it's sad that Santorum has dropped out of the race. I wish him the best, and hope his star is yet to shine.

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Yuribeard7 Creator
Yuribeard7 Apr 29 2012, 3:13pm replied:

Agreed.

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~Avenger~
~Avenger~ Feb 28 2012, 9:55pm says:

Rick Santorum is a very good figure head and I think would be better than Romeny for president. But he is not popular enough. I highly doubt that he will face obama in november. Good canidate but not enought money to fund his race.

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Marth8880
Marth8880 Apr 22 2012, 8:03pm replied:

Better than Mitt Romney? Ha, funny.

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Ambient_Malice Creator
Ambient_Malice Feb 24 2012, 11:12pm says:

I uncovered this rather inspiring Rick Santorum speech published in 2011, talking about Bin Laden's death and American Foreign Policy.

He hits practically every note perfectly: the need to support Israel, the need for religious protection against majorities, and how America must portray herself to the world.

Quite frankly, it's one of the finest speeches I've read in a long time.

Tinyurl.com

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501stcaptainrex Creator
501stcaptainrex Feb 16 2012, 9:30pm says:

@Ambient_Malice sorry about that comment on the Rick Santorum picture I often over react to things.

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Ambient_Malice Creator
Ambient_Malice Feb 19 2012, 3:23am replied:

It's cool.

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