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Hello. Many Americans today can agree that our situation is horrible and is worse than when we had Bush.
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It is apparent that neither major political party has a completely suitable party platform. Democrats tend to emphasize personal rights to the detriment of personal responsibility. Republicans stress personal responsibility to the detriment of caring for those who are less well off. You can be sure that the economy will be a major topic of discussion during the 2008 presidential election campaigning. It is likely that the candidate who appeals best to the greed of the electorate will win the presidency as you guys persue your American Dream of wealth and leisure as the rest of the world suffers in poverty and sickness.
I have no intrest in either party's affairs.
sorry typo: 2012 election :(((( lol have i gone mad?
There is practically nothing I'd like more than a white america.
edit: Oh, you're from Sweden. Well, that explains that.
How do you know he isn't wishing for snow?
Owning all the land vs owning all the industries and all wealth.
Not quite the same...
Besides, the government doesn't own the land, it asume control of the land and protect it. The land, if you buy/own it, it's yours.
There were no "industries" in Thomas Paine's time as the Industrial Revolution hadn't happened yet.
And actually, the US government owns the MOST land of any government, and nearly 55% of all US land is owned by the government, and a supermajority of the arable farmland is in government hands preventing it's use.
My point was that the revolution's starter (Thomas Paine) was a rabid communist, albeit Karl Marx hadn't been born yet so Paine didn't have the convenience of using the Marxist label.
The "founders" you Americans worship were mostly monarchists who rose up, like Washington, to spare their country from anarchy (they hated democracy and have many quotes to that effect). They unfortunately succumbed to the desire for power and made it a Republic, knowing full well Republics are basically civil-war ridden, partisan faction building power vacuums waiting to be filled by Caesar/Nero types (Hence Hitler and Mao both being elected to power in Republics).
Industries doesn't means factories. Industries has pretty much always existed in a form or another. It has 4 components/sectors:
Primary sector- Resources extraction
Secondary sector- Resource transformation
Tertiary sector- services
Quaternary Sector- information technology(however, you are correct, this sector didn't existed back then.)
What the industrial revolution allowed is faster extraction, production, and selling of the resources and industrial goods and thus increase the volume of goods exchanged in the market.
I do not know sufficiently about the U.S. history to dispute your other statements and assumptions, so I will let a real U.S. citizen correct those if needed.
My point being, to my knowledge, while I do know little about that writer, I do not believe he was close to being a communist. A socialist, sure, but not a communist. In addition too, in a communist state, there is not any private ownership of any kind. I know that the government owns a part of the land, but citizens have the right of owning a part of it too. You could argue he was socialist but not communist.
Communism-"a theory or system of social organization based on the holding of all property in common, actual ownership being ascribed to the community as a whole or to the state. "
Actually by that defintion, Thomas Paine IS A COMMUNIST. You're only proving my point further.
For example, he said: "the earth, in its natural uncultivated state was, and ever would have continued to be, the common property of the human race;"
He also suggests all farmers should pay a huge tax, and he has this strange idea that the system of landed property he despises so much came about because of farmers (forgetting government's role).
He is one of the first to suggest the social security pension system America suffers from today, and he even argues for an entitlement that is crazy even by today's standards: that every citizen be paid a humongous sum on becoming an adult (21 years old).
Translated to today's amounts, he'd want everyone given $25,000 at the taxpayer's expense when they turn 21 with no strings attached on how to use it.
So yes, America was started by a crazy communist.
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