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Why Christians support Israel with Pastor J. Hagee
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Pastor John Hagee makes it 100% clear why we MUST support Israel, the Hebrew people. You are now without excuse and can no longer justify speaking or acting against Israel. They are God's chosen people as they have always been and they always will be. If we find Israel is indeed doing things they shouldn't or things that are bad, pray for them instead of condemning them. Peace be with you.
Israel is doing one bad thing.
Letting the American government play them like a puppet.
Yeah, you are right. Our gov't is just using them. It needs to stop.
@ foxhounde
i think its the other way around
Sorry for speaking against Israel but didnt Jesus himself say that if they were the children of Abraham they would act like him, but they act like their father (satan) when he said this (i think it was in John) they wanted to stone him. i dont mean that Hitler had the right idea since he was 100% wrong, im just saying that we should try helping them, but they are not something special they are like all the other people of this world.
We are all guilty of betraying God at one point or another. Thats what we have Yeshua Messiah for. To forgive deliberate sin. The Hebrews are still very blessed, gifted, and special people and every single bit of scripture that Pastor Hagee backs talked about me up in what I've been trying to say all along. Now, lets try blessing and praying for Israel and the Hebrews instead of speaking against them. Yeshua (Jesus) was talking to the teachers of the law when He made that accusation against them because they did not practice what they taught. Its quite a simple thing to understand really.
I agree that not all Israelites are bad people. In fact I do think that we should pray for them but at the same time they reject Jesus. And Jesus said something like 'who doesn't have the son doesnt have the father.' I forget all the details at 12:20am. But don't blind yourself by thinking that they deserve some special privileges.
Nobody said anything about "special privileges".
Did you watch the entire video by any chance? There is no excuse. We are still REQUIRED to pray for and support the Hebrew people.
i agree with pray but not support, since what they do to the nations around them is absolutely awful, and i dont support people that tear somebody's house down or that destroy villages that belong to people that are living in the same land that was GIVEN to Israel. they should not be acting like nazis.
Ah, I see the problem. You've been listening to the mainstream media's biased propaganda.
This isn't a matter of "agreeing or disagreeing", this is a matter of what God's word says. Israel has done nothing to the surrounding nations. They attack Israel and Israel defends itself. Israel does not attack without provocation and they only target those that are guilty of instigating violence. They have the right to defend themselves whether you or anyone else likes it or not. No, they should not be tearing homes down, but you cannot use that against the entire nation. We in the US have done worse and so have many other peoples. By the way, praying is a type of support.
im not saying that everyone else is perfect, im just saying i dont support people that harm others, both in defense and attack. Jesus has commanded us to not be eye for an eye but to love our enemies. clearly even in defense such actions are WRONG!
So they should just take it and let their enemies wipe them out? How is self-defense wrong? Loving your enemies doesn't mean you don't defend yourself when they threaten your existence. They have the right to be where they are because God put them there and gave that area to them. Nobody has the right to take it from them. You attack the Israelites/Hebrews and you make God your enemy.
well yes but they did not have that area for about 1000+ years so it was populated by other people. so if they want to live in peace i say they let the people that have been living for generations in that land to continue to have there homes and their land...CAN'T THEY JUST COEXIST? Canada has just about every nationality in every neighborhood. example my neighbors are Muslims, and do i go tear their house down because i dont like them? NO, God still made them and they need LOVE not hate.
It doesn't matter. What God said is what goes. It was prophesied that they would return to the land after being exiled. Those other people were in the Promised Land ILLEGALLY and had no business being there when they have the rest of the surrounding lands to themselves. The Romans moved the Arabs in there in an attempt to prevent the fulfillment of God's will, and failed miserably. After the children of Israel returned and fulfilled the prophecy the intruders should have left or been cast out as they were supposed to have been the first time God gave the Hebrews that land. God had commanded them to remove EVERYBODY, and they failed to do so.
kicking people out is in no way RIGHT, its 100% EVIL!! A child of God would not do EVIL, God LOVES people Jesus is evidence of that since while we were still sinner Christ died for us. And without Love we are nothing. try loving people instead of saying that they should leave. how would you feel if all of the sudden some nation would come to your country and say "all this belongs to us, as it used to belong to us x amount of centuries ago" and when you would ask them where you are suppose to go, they would say not our problem just get off our land. how would that make you feel? I would be very angry. also Israel is building houses and changing the law of OCCUPIED territories (which is illegal) lastly just so you see how horrible Israel is; they have atomic weaponry without having signed the treaties that every other nation that has atomic capabilities has signed. in fact nobody even knew about Israels atomic reactors until a reporter publicized it in a newspaper, before that Israel denied the existence of their nuclear weapons. and the reporter was later lured from England to Italy, and in Italy he was kidnapped by Israeli agents and ILLEGALLY transported to Israel.
Oh really? So, what God had the Israelites do when they first entered the Promised Land was evil? By your logic, everything God had them do was evil. You are without excuse for this attitude towards the Israeli people.
Yuribeat5, you do know that God's promise to Israel was conditional, right? The Israeli people have repeatedly disobeyed and dishonored the conditions that God set down for their nation. They disobeyed the messages of His prophets, worshiped false gods, rejected Jesus as the Messiah, and went so far as crucifying the Son of God in order to eliminate the opposition. Now, they forcefully evict innocent civilians from their dwellings in order to "fulfill God's commandments".
And by the way, the Romans never brought in the Arabs. They came long after the sacking of Jerusalem. They lived there for over 1500 years until a whole bunch of trigger-happy Zionists settlers came along, claiming that the land belonged to them. After multiple clashes with the local Palestinians, the Israeli army brutally drove them to an area known as the Gaza Strip. From there, they have utilized every possible way of forcing the Palestinians to leave without seriously alarming the general public. Recently however, they have crossed the line in their brutal actions against the Arab locals, hence all this bad publicity from the media. Now, after decades of tyrannically oppressing the Palestinian people, they complain that the world is "adapting a stigmatic view of the Israeli people". Sounds somewhat similar to Hitler's complaints, except that he lobbied for Germany.
While I am certain that God will forgive the Israeli people, I don't believe He will allow their inexcusable behavior to continue. Do you really think He will grant special privileges to an unrepentant people who believe in a religion that rejects Jesus as the Messiah, and evict and abuse innocent civilians? I didn't think so.
If you two had watched the entire video or had read the entire Old Testament you would know how wrong you are.
You have just called God a liar and someone who would go back on His own word.
Tell me where exactly I called God a liar. I've read the through the Old Testament dozens of time, and I have read through the New Testament even more. In the New Testament, Jesus makes it very clear that the Jews went back on their promises to God, and that they were going to be severely punished for it.
Did you know that the Bible is one of the world's most Anti-Semitic books? In fact, the Israeli government tried to ban it several times. The Bible not only shows the promises that the Jews made to God, but also about how they repeatedly broke them. For this reason, Judaism shuns the New Testament. That way, they don't need to believe in anything that Jesus or the Apostles have said.
Thats Church blasphemy and modern antisemitic propaganda you are spouting. Yeshua (Jesus) was Jewish. God always keeps His promises and He promised to never forsake the children of Israel. Thats how you have called God a liar. By making claims contrary to what the Bible says and ignoring the very passages that prove you wrong.
What about what was written in Leviticus 26?
Leviticus 26 already occurred on more than one occasion.
I never said anything about God forsaking Israel, I just said that he is not going to bless them for their brutal actions. And by the way, the "modern antisemitic propaganda" you are taking about is not propaganda at all. Israel has had control of the media for decades, every now and then, some photos and videos are leaked, showcasing the brutality of the Israeli government. After a short period of the Israeli government feeding lies to the media, things die down. Read the New Testament for yourself, you'll see why Jesus spoke against them.
More antisemitic propaganda designed to place the Hebrew people in a bad light and make them all look evil. Just because the actions of a few are bad doesn't mean the entire country or the people in it are bad. Israel does not control the media, nor do they conduct terrorism or any of the things you accuse them of. Its all lies propagated by Israel's enemies in order to gain support for themselves and make Israel look bad. You are still without excuse. For the sake of God's glory and the Hebrew people, our support is still REQUIRED and it is still their homeland and they have the right to defend it.
Just so know, I'm not condemning the Israeli people, I am condemning the unjust actions of the Israeli government. God is not going to tolerate, much less bless the eviction and slaughter of innocent civilians. And don't try to tell me it's all just modern propaganda, I know people who have lived through the brutal raids and attacks conducted by the Israeli army.
I also know people. You are being lied to by the enemies of Israel and the enemies of God.
So, you're saying that any Palestinian who has a tragic story to tell about their life in Israel is a liar? That's called generalization.
Look, I'm not trying to pick a side here. I know that there has been much hatred and bloodshed on both sides. Both sides have very real problems, and it's obvious that violence is not going to solve any of them. Rather, they should find peaceful solutions to end the conflict.
The last thing Christians like you and I should be doing is debating over whether we should support Israel or not. We both know that God does not play favorites. We can, and should apply this principle to our debate. God does not condone the brutal acts committed by some members of the Israeli army, and he certainly doesn't condone the violent deeds committed by some of the Palestinians. People like you and I should not try to encourage the actions of the side we deem to be right; rather, we should do as Jesus taught us, and find ways to reconcile the two sides.
We as Christians, should not be allies to either side; for it is our calling to be mediators. It is our creed to replace sorrow with hope, and to replace hatred with brotherhood. For this as Jesus would have done, and the Bible urges us to be like him. He did not bring destruction or death. He only brought hope and enlightenment wherever he went. This is a code that we Christians should strive to uphold. Is this something we can both agree on?
Just what I thought. You got your "info" from "Palestinians". People who hated Israel from the start and will say or do anything to destroy Israel's credibility. They attack Israel, Israel retaliates, "Palestinians" cry foul and blame Israel. The enemy of the Hebrew people is the enemy of God and the enemy of God is our enemy. There can't be and will be no reconciliation between Israel and the Arabs. From the birth of their ancestors they were destined to be blood enemies just as God said they would be. Some Arabs have gotten saved and thats good for them. But intruders into the Promised Land are still intruders and they do not belong there and Israel is not obligated to make accommodations for anyone who creates conflict and strife with them. Israel gave the Arabs a home even though they have their own inheritance (which goes against what God commanded) and they repay Israel with hatred and war and strife and violence. I support Israel because we are commanded to do so and there are no excuses that can justify the kind of anti-Israel rhetoric that keeps coming up. There is no such thing as "Palestinians", and the video explains it all.
"For Zion's sake, I will not keep silent" is from Isaiah 62:1. You should read it. There's a reason its in there.
Sounds like you need to read the New Testament again. If you have ever read through the whole New Testament, you will know that your case for Israel is outdated and obsolete. Also, I have read Isaiah 62 before. You should know that these verses most likely relate to the liberation of Israel by the Maccabean brothers. Seriously, please don't pick and choose the verses that you want to believe in. In order to properly study the Bible, you have to find what is obsolete, and what hasn't been replaced by other more relevant verses. If you want to drop this debate, I won't stop or condemn you. If you just want to continue debating though, I'll tell you now that you're in for the long haul, buddy.
Just to correct your history here, there is such a thing as a Palestinian. Unlike what you have probably grown up thinking, the Palestinians NEVER invaded Israel. They came around 600 years after the sacking of Jerusalem, when Israel was largely abandoned. In a way you are right in saying that there is no such thing as Palestinian; Most of them actually descended from peaceful nomads fleeing from intense religious persecution. These nomads then migrated to Israel in a futile effort to escape the horrors of war; they were subjugated by kingdom after kingdom because of their peaceful but naive nature.
Around the 1400's, the Jews began to migrate back to Israel. At first, there was not much conflict between the two races, mainly because the two groups lived on opposite sides of the country. Although there were occasional skirmishes from the 1400's - 1900's, things began getting complicated around 1948, when the British government began evicting the local Palestinians in order to relocate the majority of the Jewish community stationed in England. At that time, people with Jewish bloodlines were looked upon in low regard; hence it would be quite correct to assume that the British government was simply attempting to appease the vast anti-semitic majority.
The fact that the Arabs located in Israel were unaware of the new settlement laws passed by the British government, combined with the untempered zealousness of the Jewish settlers, created a chasm of hatred and anger between the Arabs and the Israelis. Eventually, the local Palestinians began resorting to violent measures in order to defend themselves. The temporary inability of the Israeli army to contain the Palestinians infuriated the Jewish public, who appealed to the USA for support. Because of the overwhelming amounts of American citizens with Jewish ancestry, the American government was left with little choice but to authorize the bill.
Since the 1950's, Israel and the USA have cooperated as trade partners and military allies, and it has had nothing to with religion. Christianity and Judaism are as different as night is from day. Judaism is a strict religion that has dwelt in the ways of the past. Judaism rejects Jesus as the Messiah, and disregards the testaments of those appointed by Christ. Christianity on other hand, is all about hope. Christianity acknowledges the fact that we ALL make mistakes. Christianity offers hope to a dying world that is in desperate need of God's tender care. I don't know what you pray for at night, but I don't pray for Israel to overcome their enemies. I also don't pray for the Arabs to prevail against their enemies. Rather, I pray that the conflict will end on peaceful terms. I pray that Christians around the world will realize that we must work towards a non-violent conclusion of the chaos in that land. After all, this how Jesus would want us to act.
Judaism today rejects Jesus as the Christ but Judaism with the Old Testament affirmed that Jesus is the messiah because he fulfilled the prophecies. Judaism today has greatly changed and they now have new books with one even attacking Jesus. Judaism was the past, Christianity is the future.
"Christianity acknowledges the fact that we ALL make mistakes. Christianity offers hope to a dying world that is in desperate need of God's tender care. I don't know what you pray for at night, but I don't pray for Israel to overcome their enemies. I also don't pray for the Arabs to prevail against their enemies. Rather, I pray that the conflict will end on peaceful terms. I pray that Christians around the world will realize that we must work towards a non-violent conclusion of the chaos in that land. After all, this how Jesus would want us to act."
Wise words and I'd have to agree on this. However I don't think humanity will ever achieve peace by themselves, that will come from God.
even if we cannot achieve peace we should strive towards it, and wiping out nations to achieve it is not the right idea. After the fall of Rome Christianity was FORCED on people, (it was accept Christ or die type of deal) and did it work well? No, entire nations were wiped out, where as if they had showed and LIVED God's love, and mercy those nations might have become Christians!
Despite the obvious fact that Jesus was the Messiah who had been spoken of by numerous prophets, the Pharisees of Jesus' day condemned him for declaring himself the Messiah. They refused to follow him, because they were afraid that he would expose their hypocrisy to the public.
KnightofEcclesia, I agree with the point you made about man not being able to achieve total peace. I think you may have misunderstood my statement. I meant that I believe it's possible to end the conflict between the Israelis and the Palestinians. Global peace can only come from God.
"KnightofEcclesia, I agree with the point you made about man not being able to achieve total peace. I think you may have misunderstood my statement. I meant that I believe it's possible to end the conflict between the Israelis and the Palestinians. Global peace can only come from God."
Yes. I misread. My mistake.
I have read the entire Bible. NOTHING in it is "obsolete". To claim that anything in it is "obsolete" is blasphemy. If God said something was for eternity, or forever, or everlasting, then it is eternal, forever, and everlasting and unchanging. The claim that anything in the Old Testament is "obsolete" has no basis in scripture and is a bold-faced lie propagated by the church/catholic church and is nothing more than an attempt by Satan is divide the followers of God and turn them against one another just as modern Christianity has done (directly or indirectly).
I do not pick and choose what to believe and what to ignore just as you have done. By calling something in the Bible "obsolete" you are choosing to ignore it and choosing to pursue only what YOU WANT as opposed to what is required.
oh so all of the sudden i should go and buy a lamb so that i can slaughter it at the alter in an offering?
"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill."
- Matthew 5:17
If you have studied the definitions of the original translated words, You will know that are few translation errors in the Bible. In this particular verse, the word "fulfill" was translated from the Greek word "plēroō".
In modern Greek, "plēroō" means to complete something. But if you look back into ancient times, you'll see that this word has a very different meaning. The original Greek word would be translated as "recreate" or "replace". For something to obsolete, it has to be replaced or recreated.
You said: "If God said something was for eternity, or forever, or everlasting, then it is eternal, forever, and everlasting and unchanging."
I would assume that your backup lies in these verses:
Matthew 24:35
Mark 13:31
Luke 16:26
You should know that all of these verses say the exact same sentence: "Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away."
What does the definition of pass away mean? In modern English, it means means to die. At the time this was written, the words "pass away" would have been translated fro the Greek word "parerchomai".
In this situation, "parerchomai" means "to be forgotten".
What Jesus is trying to say here, is that people will try to pretend there is no such thing as heaven or God. They will use whatever excuse they can to shun God from their life. However, the fundamental teachings of Jesus are something that will never die. They will always be powerful, direct, and unstoppable. Jesus wasn't like the other prophets. He was not just appointed by God to keep people in line. He was the Son of God, who was sent here to bring hope and eternal life.
What it means in Greek in irrelevant. You need to go back and look at what it means in the original language the Bible was written in, Hebrew. In Hebrew it means to "renew". He also said that not a single Jot or Tiddle will pass from the Torah (Instruction/Law) until heaven and earth pass away and all is finished. We are still here, heaven is still there, the earth is still here, and nothing has ended yet. The Greek mentality and Greek translations are incompatible with God's word. Go back and research the Bible in Hebrew. The proof is in the pudding, as the saying goes.
@Revan9537: That comment of yours just showed me how little you know. There can be no sacrifices without an altar. Revelation says there will be a new one sometime in the future and it will be declared unholy and shut down by the antimessiah (antichrist).
You do know that the original Gospels were all first written in Greek, right? The Hebrew translations were made long after these Gospels were written. Although the Old Testament was mainly written in Hebrew, most of the New Testament was written in Greek. Besides, the New Testament contains most of the information that is still relevant.
If you want to debate over what is relevant and what isn't, I'm all for it. I'm all for examining other people's fascinating beliefs and opinions.
either way God doesn't pick favorites, all thats needed for salvation is faith and trust that God sent Jesus to die for all your sins, Works alone cant get you anywhere, and Heritage cant get you anywhere. Only Faith that Jesus is who he said he is can get you saved, so Why would people that REJECT Him be saved based on Heritage? and Jesus didnt send his disciples to the Gentiles for no reason, I think that the Jews cut themselves off from God when they killed their God's Son, the Kingdom of God welcomes only those that have accepted Christ, people without Christ cannot be saved and cannot be part of God's kingdom.
Well said, Revan9537! I agree that the only way to receive such divine privileges are through believing in Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior.
While I am sure that there is just as much hope for the Israeli people as there is for lost soul searching for Christ, I really doubt that they will receive the right-of-way in Palestine simply because of their bloodlines.
"My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons."
- James 1:02
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*Israel.
There is no "Palestine" and never was a LEGITIMATE nation by that name.
*facepalm*
En.wikipedia.org
As of January 18, 2012, 130(67.4%) of the 193 member states of the United Nations recognize Palestine as an independent state. Just so you know, God never told the Israelites to wipe out everybody in the Promised Land. He only told them to remove the Canaanites. In fact, at several times God encouraged the Children of Israel to make alliances with some of the nearby Arabic kingdoms.
No, He did not. He explicitly told them NOT to ally with them because they would become "stumbling blocks". Wikipedia is not a valid source of info as anyone can edit it and add anything they want whether its true or not. And I don't give a darn what the U.N says, their word does not overrule God's word, period. "Palestine" is illegitimate and does not belong at all. They do not belong in the Promised Land. It was given exclusively to the Hebrews and anyone that wanted to become part of the family of Israel.
God never told them to wipe out anybody else but the Canaanites. He did tell them to destroy several other BRANCHES of the Canaanites, such as:
the Hittites,
the Amorites,
the Perizzites,
the Hivites,
the Jebusites,
the Amalekites,
and the Philistines.
Many ultra-conservative Christians try to use the passages of Deuteronomy 12 to say that God commanded the Israelites to destroy ALL uninvited inhabitants located in Israel/Palestine/whatever you want to call it, specifically these three verses.
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"These are the statutes and judgments, which ye shall observe to do in the land, which the LORD God of thy fathers giveth thee to possess it, all the days that ye live upon the earth."
"Ye shall utterly destroy all the places, wherein the nations which ye shall possess served their gods, upon the high mountains, and upon the hills, and under every green tree."
"And ye shall overthrow their altars, and break their pillars, and burn their groves with fire; and ye shall hew down the graven images of their gods, and destroy the names of them out of that place."
Deuteronomy 12:1-3
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A closer look look at these passages reveal that God refered to the inhabitants of their day. Go to Deuteronomy 12:2 and read what it says:
"Ye shall utterly destroy all the places, wherein the nations which ye shall possess served their gods, upon the high mountains, and upon the hills, and under every green tree."
Ask yourself:
Do the Palestinians serve multiple heathen gods? No.
Do they serve these gods upon the high mountains? No, because they don't worship multiple heathen gods.
Do they serve these gods upon the hills? No, because they don't worship multiple heathen gods.
Do they serve these Gods under every green tree? No, because they don't worship multiple heathen gods.
Before you try to warn me of the evils of Islam, I want you to answer one more question.
Have you ever read the Koran? Because if you had, you would know that Christians and Muslims worship the same God. While I believe that the Koran slightly misrepresents him and the his Son, I do know that the moral ideals of Christians and Muslims are not very different.
NOW ask you yourself:
Did the Canaanites serve multiple heathen gods? Yes.
Did they serve these gods upon the high mountains? Yes. According to the Canaanite "code of conduct", religious ceremonies and sacrifices were to be held wherever there was a prominent landmark, such as a mountain, hill, cliff, or exceptionally tall tree.
Did they serve these gods upon the hills? Yes.
Did they serve these Gods under every green tree? Yes. Cmon, even the heathens like to have some cover from the sun. In fact, the priests of Baal could frequently be seen harvesting and collecting fruit to create potions for their many rituals. Talk about "shady dealings", hehe.
It is an undisputed fact among Christians that the Canaanite religion was inherently evil. How evil, was what many people are confused about.
I'll try to put it mildly:
The evils of the Canaanite religion vastly overshadows the evils of even the Aztec religion. The Canaanite's many heathen rituals included self-torture, rape, human sacrifice, cannibalism, and slaughter of newborn children. The sheer devotion of the Canaanites to their religion would make the Taliban look like liberals. The Canaanite's perverted worship of bloodshed and war was disgusting. There were only three professions for grown males of the Canaanite religion. At the age of 16, men, or rather youths, would choose between becoming a soldier, a priest, or a smith. Females, children, and prisoners of war would do most of the work and manual labor. Due to the Canaanite concept of male chauvinism, females and prisoners of war were frequently used as sacrificial offerings.
The original beliefs of many Arabic kingdoms were similar to that of the Canaanites. When Mohammed was alive, he was appalled by the beliefs of his day. He rounded up a band of loyal followers, and rebelled against the religious leaders of his day. While I certainly don't agree with many of the Koran's beliefs, I do know that Islam was a far better and more liberal replacement to the Canaanite religion. There is no way that any one who has studied about these two vastly different moral codes can try to make Islam resemble the Canaanite religion.
As to your statement that God never allowed the Jewish kings to make alliances with other nearby kingdoms, it is entirely unsupported.
"And the LORD gave Solomon wisdom, as he promised him: and there was peace between Hiram and Solomon; and they two made a league together." 1 Kings 5:12
check the sources at the bottom of that Wikipedia article, (wikipedia is always has sources from which it got the info)
The way to win an arguement is by supporting your claims with quotes from the bible as elite sniper has done, yuri however just puts claims out there without any foundations. In arguements proof is VERY important and God doesn't pick favorites, also the Jews hate a lot of people in the past, they acted to Samaritans as white people acted to black people sevral decades ago. However when Jesus is explains how is a nieghbor he uses the example of the good Samaritan, because the point that Jesus wanted to make is that even the people that normally hate you are still your neighbors, and now what would Jesus do of he were on earth in human form today? Would he love everyone that is around him as he did nearly 2000 years ago or would he say get off my land? He talked to the Samaritan woman at the well, so He loved and loves even those that society hates.
Well said, Revan9537, I agree that Jesus would want us to show kindness to those around us. He doesn't care what country you're from, or what your racial affiliation is, he loves all the same.
I also have an inkling of suspicion that YOU are the one who keeps giving me loads of sweet karma points. Am I right?
God bless you all.
None of you has proven your point. The proof is in the scripture in the video and what I pointed out. I bet you didn't even watch the video. If you had, you would realize your error.
Islam does not worship the same God as we do. Its blasphemy and a lie to claim that it does. Their teachings are completely different from the Bible's. Yeshua said that salvation can only be found in Him. Well, Islam does not accept Him as the Messiah or the Son of God. That alone invalidates the argument that Islam and Biblical faiths worship the same God.
However, that is not what this discussion is about and we will NOT get off track. You are still without excuse for your stance against the Children of Israel. Ignoring the scripture that very plainly backs up my argument cannot just be ignored so easily. I should not have to quote scripture to you if you really know God's word as well as you claim. Your minds have been poisoned by false teachings, lies, and propaganda. Try actually watching the video (the ENTIRE video) and get away from the blasphemous and heretical notion that anything in the Bible is "obsolete". The very idea that anything in scripture is "obsolete" has no basis in the Bible. All you are doing is empowering The Enemy by standing against God's word and harming yourselves. The Bible, what it says about Israel, and what it says we are supposed to do concerning supporting them is not up for debate. You either truly believe what God has said or you don't. To claim anything is obsolete is to call God a liar or deceiver. If you claim to believe Him but then speak against Israel and the things concerning them in scripture you are lying, extremely naive, or both.
You said:
"Well, Islam does not accept Him as the Messiah or the Son of God. That alone invalidates the argument that Islam and Biblical faiths worship the same God."
You seem to ignore the fact that Judaism also teaches this. I said before that I don't believe in everything that Islam teaches, and this is definitely one of their teachings I don't believe in. Also, you make many claims about the Israeli people that you can't support. What you and dear Pastor J.Hagee fail to realize is that the Bible doesn't just refer to Israelis as a people, but as something else. Jesus, Paul, and many other apostles all refer to them in a different way. They all refer to God's children as "Israel" or "Jews".
You also said:
"The very idea that anything in scripture is "obsolete" has no basis in the Bible."
Ever read the book of Deuteronomy or Leviticus? If you had, you would know how many dozens of verses and passages have been replaced by newer, more relevant scripture.
Do you believe that:
If your wife cheats on you, you have a right to kill her?
If your wife menstruates, she must sleep outside until it passes?
If your child has leprosy, he should be cast from your house?
The consumption of bacon and ham is a sin?
If you accidentally hit someone on the road with your car, that person has a right to try to harm you in the same way?
You should use violent measures to deal with idolatry in your local district?
You should kill prostitutes if you happen to find them?
A single mother is an abomination in the sight of the Lord?
Any toleration of idol-worship would have led to widespread paganism, seeing the heathen backgrounds many of the refugees would have come from. Egypt was a dark land, and one could only be there so long without being tainted by superstition and satanism. As cruel as it may seem, God had to put those restrictions on the Israelites. We are talking about a people that had little to no knowledge of medicine, no alternative methods of disease isolation, and that lived as slaves for a very long time. Once they became free, it is logical to assume that many would have gone overboard with their level of freedom. They settled in a land with that was filled to brim with Cannanites, the ones who were cursed by Noah in Genesis 9:25. As you probably know, the Canaanites were unrelenting satanists. There is a lot of mystery as to their expansion and military development, but the principles of their culture are very clear. Their entire culture and political structure seems to have been based on serving their gods. If you read any of my previous posts, I'm sure we can agree on that.
But times have changed, and so have many of Gods policies. No, this doesn't mean that God is a liar. It just means He is a moving, changing, and expanding God. God is all about renewal and change. If he teaches us to be "all things to all men", don't you think that he would act as such? It seems that you have the impression of an angry, intolerant God, who eventually decided to give us a way to escape judgement. But no, He is essentially a tolerant God. You see, if God wasn't tolerant of our mistakes and shortcomings, he wouldn't be perfect. The Bible makes it very clear that he is perfect, so it is logically correct to assume that he is tolerant of our mistakes. That doesn't mean He won't judge us if we keep disobeying him. All this means is that God is on OUR side!
He's not some psychopath who keeps trying to make more rules. He doesn't play sides or favorites. He is a friend of every one of us! He is our protector, our guide, who sent his only Son to atone for our mistakes and weaknesses!
If you really think that God is against the Palestinian inhabitation of Israel, then you need to read the New Testament. Jesus and the Apostles made it very clear that God doesn't play favorites; he loves us all the same. He gave the Israelites the Torah because they needed it at that specific time, but now he wants us to live by a different code. A code of unconditional love, that we will not allign ourselves with a political side, but rather that we should consecrate our lives to spreading God's word.