(NOTE: This is not a group for the bashing, belittling, or debunking of other people's beliefs).
Peace be with you.
Basileus Basileon Basileuon Basileuonton. Translated as "king of kings, ruling over rulers"
Just a message from an old wanderer passing through.
Lot of information for new recruits packed into a mere article. Also has three medal of honor soundtracks to listen too while reading if you want. Enjoy.
Your new order of business now that you are a member of the Grand Army of the Lord Jesus Christ.
Well I watched Heaven Is for Real, it was not really a Christian film at all. Of course... Hollywood.
Blogs.discovermagazine.com Some newly discovered planets that might sustain life.
There's a remote chance one of these worlds could be inhabited by a sophisticated species.
If you wish to see your noble Knight, you might somehow persuade admins to give him a chance. Let's sign a petition and send it to an admin. Upload an image that portrays Knight and everyone would post a comment there saying that you want Knight back.
COT... long time no see. "If you play with trolls, you're bound to get burned." -_-
I imagine playing the exploring astronaut is incredibly fun when on a foreign world.
That's until whatever it is you run into tries to kill or eat you. X-D
Hence why we need, "Space Marines."
If we ever go on a colonizing crusade, were definitely going to need a defense force for each of the colony's. You never know what you'll run into out there.
Also, a petition to get Knight back is a nifty idea. Lets see what Matt has to say about it. Image is also a good idea. See what we can find...
If you guys want to make a petition to get Knight back that's your business.
Just don't associate it with this group and don't expect me to sign it. No offense, but in my opinion he was a trouble-maker.
It appears some members hold him in high esteem. And he's been an ardent defender of faith and and this particular club for a rather long time. He's also an active and effective member.
The question is: Who's willing to sign a petition? If it's a mere list of a few members, then this is a feeble initiative. Either many members want him back or not. 'What say you'?
And there's a serious possibility this petition(provided that many members sign it) might merely shorten Knight's exile, although it would be better to have him here in a few days.
I like him for some reason - Youtube.com ;)
Ummm...I get that CrazyOldTeenager is the type of Christian who doesn't believe in having the conviction to stand up for their faith. I don't know much about KnightofEquulei (I've lurked here for the past year and only saw his posts here so I have no idea what happened in the debating group but I did see the atheist trolling that happened here) but I take it that only he and Always Faithful are the only members here who bothered responding to the attacks of atheists.
Also about your "Jesus fled" statement Crazy, yes Jesus fled when people were trying to kill him but when people were criticizing him and his beliefs, he stood his ground and defended them and indeed, The Bible instructs us to defend our faith and "destroy" arguments raised against them (1 Peter 3:15 and 2 Corinthians 10:5 come to mind here).
Can you imagine what would have happened if the disciples didn't stand up for what they believed and instead cowered away without the conviction or guts to defend their beliefs? Christianity wouldn't have grown throughout the empire of Rome and wouldn't exist today.
You talk about the persecution in China but just because the "real persecution" against Christians is happening there doesn't mean we shouldn't get angry at the atheists online who can post the most filthy things about Christianity in their delusions. Also look, you're getting angry with Always Faithful and engaging in a debate with him. Shouldn't you use your own logic and flee?
I don't think this group is for me so I'll take my leave. I wish your community all the best since many of you quite clearly misunderstand scripture and don't have the conviction to stand up to the intolerant and bigoted atheists who would use the internet to defame and spread ridiculous lies about Christianity.
Just to make myself clear: I do not believe in backing down when your faith comes under attack. If I was afraid to stand up for my beliefs, I would not be here criticizing Knight for what I believe to be bad conduct. However, there is a very big difference between standing up for your beliefs and stooping to the level of a troll.
Secondly, I'm not saying that we should just let trolls walk over our group whenever they please. When critics mocked Jesus, he gave them answers. Honest, deep answers. But did he explode just because they disliked him and believed he was a liar? No, he kept his cool like any reasonable person should.
Quote: Can you imagine what would have happened if the disciples didn't stand up for what they believed and instead cowered away without the conviction or guts to defend their beliefs?
Here's a passage you might like:
Quote: As the time approached for him to be taken up to heaven, Jesus resolutely set out for Jerusalem. And he sent messengers on ahead, who went into a Samaritan village to get things ready for him; but the people there did not welcome him, because he was heading for Jerusalem. When the disciples James and John saw this, they asked, “Lord, do you want us to call fire down from heaven to destroy them ?” But Jesus turned and rebuked them. Then he and his disciples went to another village.
So, what do we have here? Jesus and his disciples meet opposition, and his followers get angry as a result. What do they want to do? They want to respond to the hostility with hostility of their own. What does Jesus do? He rebukes them.
I don't know about you, but that sounds quite similar to our current situation. We've had a troll rampaging throughout our group...so, does that justify Knight going on a troll stampede of his own?
If I sounded angry in any of my postings here, I offer my apologies. It is not my intent to provoke any of you here, but rather to ask you to reconsider your stance.
I don't agree with everything Knight believes or his interpretations, but I think it was too harsh to ban him for doing what he believes is right to defend the faith and this page. The only reason I barely comment anymore is because I'm too busy and I don't need my blood pressure skyrocketing from arguing with a bunch of people who think they are intellectuals and higher forms of life than us. Also, God told me to stop because I will never get through to them.
On Knight's behalf I implore you to un-ban him, but make it clear to him that this was a warning and that if he does it again then the ban will be permanent. God gave us a second chance even though we didn't deserve it, so why not give the hotheaded Knight one but with a warning? Just my 2 cents.
You'll have to talk about that with TKAzA, the Moddb staff member who banned him.
Now about the hothead statement you made. Last time I checked Christ wanted red hot Fanatics for the cause, not lukewarm neutrals or cold as ice goths.
I consider over zealousness a sign of fierce loyalty. You just need to make sure it doesn't drive you into a scenario you don't come back from. Perhaps if there were additional moderators on this group, Knight wouldn't have had to deal with trolls like CNCroadkill.
Yes, Jesus wanted his followers to be genuinely passionate about what they believed in. He also wanted his followers to exercise a unique, exotic concept known as "common sense".
What does Jesus do when there's people looking to kill him? Does he face them down in a Rambo-style last stand? Does he try giving them all the middle finger? Nope. You know what he does? He simply goes somewhere else. Don't believe me? Read it, you'll see what I mean.
Also...Knight was not "dealing" with anything. Per usual, he allowed himself to get too emotionally invested in a debate with somebody that he most likely never would have met in real life. The result? Everybody gets ******, and the moderator lowers the boom. Had Knight been able to debate without losing his temper, he most likely would not have been banned. Same goes for the other guy.
Knight did not *have* to stoop to his counterpart's level, he chose to, and as a result he got burned. While I certainly hope he can come back, I also hope that he will have learned his lesson.
If you actually took the time to read the scriptures instead of taking them out of context you'd find Christ time and again faced down the pharisees in Israel. Just as well when he saw someone in need he'd ignore the persecutors and help them. Christ only left cities that ignored the gospel. A good example for us here would be the atheist group. They are a pointless campaign.
Allowing persecution to chase you away from your station is cowardice. When God puts someone somewhere, and things get rough, does that mean pack up and leave? No, it doesn't. I'm not even going to bother finding scripture on that because it's a well known fact Christians pride themselves in evangelism. And we didn't get that reputation through running away and cowering from persecution. There were even those of us thrown to the Roman Colosseum to be killed in ancient days for what we believed. Yet we still did our job.
Knight overexerted himself when he took the liberty of going on their group to bother them. But when they came over here to troll us he had 0 tolerance for it. Which I support. They never came over here to debate us, they only came over to harass. The fact Matt is the only moderator here doesn't help that. If more moderators where in action and on the job, these trolls would be dealt with on the spot without worry of having to privatize the group.
Knight was simply obliging them. It may be the custom to turn the other cheek in Christianity but we all have our limits. And after years of harassment from the atheists I can understand Knight's course of action. The fact you all can't shows your living in denial. Were human, and we all have our limits. And the atheists pushed Knight's one too many times.
Indeed, he did face them down. But there's a difference between standing up for what you believe in and stooping to somebody else's level. I'm not here to argue, all I'm saying is if Knight had toned down his response, he probably wouldn't have gotten banned.
There's a difference between cowardice and common sense. Sometimes, the best choice we can make is to sacrifice our arrogance and accept that yes, people will be mean. But just because they're acting out of line doesn't mean we have the right to do the same. That doesn't mean backing down from our position, that doesn't mean changing your stance, that just means not letting yourself stoop to their level.
Now did I ever say anything about stooping to their level? I made a point that we evangelize, we don't let persecution deter us.
The exceptions being those who outright ignore the gospel and spare not any time for it such as the atheists group.
Knight's hyped up responses were a result of years of having to deal with trolls on the this group. If his responses became harsher over time, it's because his patience began to wear out. Like any armor, over time, it wears out. And without support or proper guidance, the wearer will find themselves in more trying situations than they'd like.
I'm sorry to say it, but I have absolutely no sympathy for Knight on this one. Harassment...that's an interesting word to use.
I live in a country where religious persecution is real. I'm not talking about people rolling their eyes when you say you're a Christian, I'm not talking about negative comments being written on people's webpages. If you're a Christian in China (especially if you're a Chinese citizen), any political rights you might have had disappear should you identify with a religious institution.
Sure, religion is tolerated here, but if religious followers so much as utter a single phrase of content that undermines the status quo, you'll risk losing your job, your social standing, and possibly your life depending on the tenacity of your "crime".
Even if you have not broken any laws, you will be subjected to surveillance if you are known to be a Christian. You most likely won't be able to work in certain jobs depending on your religious beliefs, as many government and economic positions require the employee to be atheist or devoid of religious beliefs. Yet despite all that, China's Christian community remains the world's largest and quickest to grow. They didn't get their by losing their cool when somebody trolls them, they got there by enduring the ocean of crap the world sent their way.
That, my friend, is "harassment". I'm sorry, but I have no absolutely no sympathy for somebody who cracks after seeing a few angry comments from jerks he'll never meet.
Two different worlds my friend.
Were all conditioned differently and brought up in different environments.
Where your brought up Christianity is illegal because the government realizes once the Christians get a foot hold they'll have a social revolution on their hands resulting in nothing less than a anti-communist government. Which will give power to the people instead of the corrupt government. They don't like that.
Christianity spreads quickly among the oppressed and afflicted. It gives them hope.
I'm sorry if Ive brought harm to you with my previous statements. I can understand your stance against being too "obvious" with your beliefs where it is you live. But still, we evangelize and do our part, even if it's behind closed doors and in secret. Hence the underground movements we have in certain parts of the world.
Well...it's certainly not illegal. But it's definitely controlled, tightly controlled. And no, I know you meant no offense in your comments.
Still, I think Knight had it coming to him. If you play with trolls, you're bound to get burned.
Well, thankfully there's that bright side. At least you can have some peace of mind that even if they know your a Christian they won't kill you. You just have to watch what you say and do around them.
I keep thinking if this group had a more efficient moderator system these trolling scenarios could mostly be avoided. If you go back a few pages you'll see the conversation went on way longer than it should have between Knight and CNCroadkill. Emperor of Mankind also got involved in the debacle. Heck, even I put in my two cents about the whole thing. Roadkill also posted images on here if you look back a little bit.
If a mod had caught it as soon as it began, well, things would have defused quickly. At least that's what I think. I'd like to see Matt appoint more moderators to this group. We should at least try. It's better than privatizing it.
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