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Kim the elite boy
Kim the elite boy Aug 11 2015 says:

I always wondered if vengeance is a good thing to do, even if it is for a just cause. But I also hear that it is a bad thing too. My father had thought it over before recently and we had a little talk with each other about it.

Now my dad is still young and even he has much to learn since he's only 39 right now. My grandfather (his dad) is almost 20 years older than he is and he still teaches him things pertaining to wisdom of life, likewise with my dad doing with me. But back to the matter of vengeance; does it really gain anything for someone other than the indulging of inflicting a returning terrible deed? And of course, in justice pertaining to law, it can be costly for the one who did want revenge, thus leading them into rendering the same service of atrocity done by 'x' person.

For me, I think that revenge is rushing God's plan of judging that specific someone for reaping something near and dear to somebody. Of course, there is no escape in the end for the person who had done the act of sin since he/she must answer to God on Judgement Day eventually, yet some people feel as though that the time is nigh to sew vengeance on that person or a certain group of people.

Especially if it is in war, but all in all, I believe that revenge is a risky and neutral factor of conscience to undertake. I for one, will not undertake it since I know that time and the Lord is going to recover the inflicted injuries upon this world and its inhabitants. In minor cases however, vengeance has small and not so fatal situations like payback from pranks or at playing games with each other. I'm not saying that I'm comfortable with vengeance at all, but it depends on how severe of minor it is. If it is minor, then I might undertake it just for fun and games. But if it's severe, then that situation is beyond my control or power to change since nothing I would do could reverse that. What do you all think about vengeance overall people?

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Joshua Brisco
Joshua Brisco Aug 11 2015 replied:

Firstly.

"I for one, will not undertake it"

Kim, you're human. I can guarantee any vow you make is but sand. Any promise you say, is not in stone. As people, were all vile, dark things, deep down. That's the sin nature, and we all have it. The only way to not let it dominate your life is through Christ. However even when trusting in Christ you will slip up at times, that's unavoidable.

Mark 7:20-23 - And he said, “What comes out of a person is what defiles him. For from within, out of the heart of man, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, coveting, wickedness, deceit, sensuality, envy, slander, pride, foolishness. All these evil things come from within, and they defile a person.”

That scripture tells very well the evil that resides within you, as well as the rest of us. Which is the major reason that all of mankind must be judged in the end. As for you personally, whether that's at the Cross, or on Judgement Day, is up to you alone.

As to the next thing you said.

"In minor cases however, vengeance has small and not so fatal situations like payback from pranks or at playing games with each other. I'm not saying that I'm comfortable with vengeance at all, but it depends on how severe of minor it is."

Already, you're making a excuse for yourself to break that vow of yours.
See? Didn't even take a few seconds, already you're making "exceptions".

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Kim the elite boy
Kim the elite boy Aug 11 2015 replied:

I do agree with you with all of the above except at the bottom since I meant in minor revenge cases are not serious ones, like trying to kill someone for murdering a loved one, or getting back at someone for destroying your possessions, or robbery. Those things are serious, but that is true revenge, not tiny payback matters such as from games and such. Minor payback does not even scratch the surface to the forge of vengeance in one's conscience. I'm not the type of person to hold hardly any grudges is all.

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Sgt_Prof
Sgt_Prof Aug 11 2015 replied:

well, robbing, stealing is only material stuff, but in that way you can hurt people in non-material way like stealing his arts/creations etc. Just note from me.

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AnYnA
AnYnA Aug 12 2015 replied:

You are right Sarge but no matter what you lose ,never lose your soul

That is most important because this world takes far more from you , from anyone , than it offers in return so at least make sure we won't give it everything

" What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul? "

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Sgt_Prof
Sgt_Prof Aug 15 2015 replied:

I would sacrifice my soul in order to get abilities like immortality/long life for myself, cure other people diseases, heal other souls. I bet I would re-build my sold soul doing good things ;)

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Baron Brosephus
Baron Brosephus Aug 11 2015 replied:

An interesting question you have there. Let's make a little scenario here, and see if we can figure a few things out. Consider this:

Suppose there's an arsonist in town, and he's kidnapped 50 of the town's children and locked them up in a hidden location. He then declares over the radio that he is going to light them all up in the evening, and there's nothing people can do about it. Fortunately, a local vigilante takes his cue; he locates the hideout, kills the arsonist, and frees all 50 of the children. I can virtually guarantee you that the town would be overjoyed, and hail him as a hero.

But is that truly the case? Perhaps he was indeed a hero, who defied death and saved 50 children from the grasp of a vicious killer. Or perhaps he himself was a vicious killer, who used the opportunity to unleash his violent urges on someone the town would not miss. Or perhaps he saved the children without caring for them at all, and did it only for the social reward and recognition.

Now, let's change the situation a little bit. Let's say that the vigilante managed to dispatch the arsonist, but 2 of the children were also killed in a tragic incident of friendly fire. From a purely mathematical perspective, very little has changed. 50 - 2 still equals 48. One could argue that the vigilante did his best, and while the death of the 2 children was terrible indeed, the salvation of 48 children was more significant. Or was it? Doesn't his recklessness affect the morality of the situation? What is more important, the intent or the outcome?

I posit that morality is contingent upon both intent and outcome. A human can have perfectly good intentions yet create something terrible (e.g China's Great Famine of the 1960s), while other humans can perform good deeds while using them to accomplish a more nefarious purpose. And then there are those who, like most of us, have a bit of both in them. Morality is by no means a simple issue, and ethically correct decisions are rarely made in a split second. This is exactly why the Bible says, "Man looketh on the outward appearance, but God looketh on the heart".

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AnYnA
AnYnA Aug 11 2015 replied:

Baron , i can only add that they haven't declared the people of Hong Kong with the highest IQ in ratings for nothing like shown here

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It shows at you too

It's a very smart way of putting things what you said there but my personal opinion is like this : If the outcome benefits people , if the outcome benefits more than it did damage in the process i think that person should be acknowledged as a hero

The ends justify the means and if the ends are something honorable and for the benefit of the most if not for all , then they are nothing but a good thing to me and sometimes , sometimes you have to deal with things outside of the norm to get things done

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Baron Brosephus
Baron Brosephus Aug 12 2015 replied:

Why thank you, Gabriella. I appreciate the compliment. To be fair though, statistics such as these are highly arbitrary, and more often than not can only reveal average IQ levels amongst the participants, rather than their representative countries. I've met plenty of dumb people from Hong Kong and China.

And thus the question of morality continues. This much is all I will say: conflict does not determine who is right, it determines who is left. Everyone has something they would commit atrocities in the name of, whether it be defending their loved ones or protecting their society from perceived threats. All I can wonder is, in this world of treachery, cruelty, and uncertainty, what human amongst us is truly right?

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AnYnA
AnYnA Aug 12 2015 replied:

You are welcome COT and i meant it too

I think the ones that even if they died or not , they left behind a better life for others are the ones right

Whatever stands in the way of people living their lives , enjoying their lives , their pursuit of happiness , physical ,mental and spiritual comfort , their family and friends must be put down , cast away or destroyed sooner or later , one way or another

It does say that history is written by the victors and the survivors but since the dawn of time i think we fight against the same things : people that : wanna control you , use you , rob you , enslave you , make profit with you , want something from you and so on

I think uncertainty is a good thing.The enemies should also know that their victories over us are just a matter of time and who knows what the future might bring.

I like tide turning changes and i find uncertainty exciting

Just adding something up for you COT but i think other people can talk about this better than me though.It's one of those times that it's very hard to remain impartial and not fall on one side like walking on a rope suspended hundred meters in the air

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Buddhism has really good teachings of morals too , you know.Not just Christianity so i think that morals are based on religion but this doesn't mean that one person cannot have their own set of morals too , at times maybe working better than those from religion

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Baron Brosephus
Baron Brosephus Aug 12 2015 replied:

Ah, but if one's way of enjoying life involves depriving another human's life of that same joy? From the phones and toys that are made through slave labor, to the corporate overlords who roll in their dollars while clinging to minimum wage policies, this is apparent wherever one goes.

Some would call me cynical, but this much I have observed. When people complain that the "good guys" never win, I feel inclined to disagree with them. Not because I think that the "good guys" do usually win, but because many of those we hail as "good guys" are usually just as ignorant and changeable as we are, if not much worse.

Ah yes...I believe there is much truth to be found in other religions as well. It's not as if God only speaks with those of a certain belief system, you can find truth and wisdom in just about any religion. But I don't necessarily think that all religions are equally valid...that's like saying marriage and rape are the same thing because they both acknowledge the existence of sexuality. Some religions say that God is a being of forgiveness and hope, while others try to paint God as a raving egotist that must be satisfied with blood.

Lest you get me wrong however, I'll make it clear now that I have a very high level of respect for Buddhism and Daoism. Both of these religions have a lot in common with my perception of morality, and I can appreciate the wisdom that the sages taught.

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Joshua Brisco
Joshua Brisco Aug 12 2015 replied:

Ive seen just as much slave labor in a Communist society with socialist values, then I have in a Capitalist society with Corporations. At least the corporations pay them well, but that's if the government demands a minimum wage and certain Federal regulations be set so the people are treated fairly. Regulated Capitalism can be a very good system. If only people would study up on it more.

Word of warning about delving into other religions. You read into them, there's the risk of being converted, or worse yet compromised. Baron, I often question if you're truly a Christian. If you were, you wouldn't be so embracing of ways that can lead a soul to hell. These aren't just parts of a book detailing some wholesome values here or there. It's a religion, a man made belief system. You start agreeing with it, eventually you could even become part of it, you're opening the door for that.

You know well from what I and others have said, as well as what the doctrine teaches. Christ is the only way to salvation. Any other way will lead you astray and to the wolves. I'd rather stick to Christianity than delve into Buddhism or Islam. Even if there are some views I agree with. It's like playing with fire.

I'm also troubled by how you look at Christianity rather as just another "religion". When it's clearly not. It's a relationship with Christ, it's not meant to be a series of man made laws and religious ceremony. This is about salvation and making one right with God. Not spending decades seeking "inner fulfillment". You get that on conversion as a Believer, when you know you've made your peace with the Lord.

Even if you claim to only appreciate wisdom they teach, you could find much more wisdom if you studied the Bible with the Holy Spirit. Any real minister will tell you, if you, they learn something new every time they read the Bible. Because the Spirit reveals more and more to them each time. The knowledge of God is without end. Besides, their wisdom is corrupted, considering it's not centered around Jesus Christ.

It doesn't matter if we share similar beliefs with different faiths.
If it's not centered around Jesus Christ, I want nothing to do with it.

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Baron Brosephus
Baron Brosephus Aug 12 2015 replied:

Indeed Joshua, cruelty exists in ever society regardless of government or politics.

Quote: Baron, I often question if you're truly a Christian. If you were, you wouldn't be so embracing of ways that can lead a soul to hell.


I suppose I would say the same of you, but I have neither the time nor interest in fruitless arguments. If there is one difference between us though, it is this. I am just as Christian as you, and just as serious about my beliefs as you are. Difference is, my faith is not intertwined with politics and home culture like yours is.

As for your warning, I appreciate your concern yet wholeheartedly disagree with you. God does not command followers to bury their head in a hole and blind themselves to truth that also exists in other religions. You'll find God's work wherever you go, not just in Christianity. Do you honestly think that Christians are the only who have ever spoken with God? Little shocker for ya: Moses, Jeremiah, Ezekiel,and Jesus were all Jewish.

Quote: I'm also troubled by how you look at Christianity rather as just another "religion".


Can you show where I said that? Or are we back to the old game of putting words in people's mouth?

Quote: Even if you claim to only appreciate wisdom they teach, you could find much more wisdom if you studied the Bible with the Holy Spirit.


...whose writers quoted all sorts of 'non-biblical' material, ranging from Greek philosophers to Canaanite kings. And let's not even go into the more interesting content of the Bible itself. Did I mention the Song of Solomon, which is practically devoted to little else but the king's sex life? Yep, that's in the Bible.

What is my point in all this? Simple. It's easy to make assumptions about the Bible, and to claim that only one interpretation of it is correct. Fact is though, questions of interpretation and application go all the way back to Jesus's day, with all the different cliques (Pharisees, Saducees, Proto-Kabbalists, etc), and Jesus only had one answer for them.

Quote: Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. - Matthew 22: 37-40


Say what you like about my beliefs, but they won't change. Perhaps you'll remember me as genuine but misguided, and I am quite sure I would remember you similarly. So long for now.

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Joshua Brisco
Joshua Brisco Aug 12 2015 replied:

Indeed, because it's a fact of life. No system, no matter how "well intentioned" can be totally good, because us people aren't, and use it for our own means in the end.

Baron wrote:Difference is, my faith is not intertwined with politics and home culture like you.

I'm a soldier at heart Baron, that's how I am. My loyalty and my allegiance is to that of my country. But since I'm a Christian, my loyalty and allegiance is first and foremost to God. If I had to choose between the two, God would take the priority. Personally, I stick to the idea that the "real America" is the Kingdom of God itself. My country was but an echo of what that is, when you base Christianity so much into it's society.

God commands us Shepards to protect the flock. That's my job. The Lord did not commands us to go out and "seek other faiths" to learn from. He commanded us to stick to his word, the Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ, regarding spirituality.

As to these other religions, I suppose you believe they will be going to heaven as well? It doesn't matter what they believe. It's not centered around Jesus Christ, therefore forfeit. If you get Christ wrong, the rest is irrelevant.

Baron wrote:Can you show where I said that? Or are we back to the old game of putting words in people's mouth?

It's not what you said, it's your demeanor towards and how you view Christianity.
Our teachings and the Book most specifically, you view with cynicism.

Let me clarify something to you Baron, to put your doubt to rest.

Spirit wrote:2 Timothy 3:16 - All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness.

Spirit wrote:Romans 15:4 - For whatever was written in former days was written for our instruction, that through endurance and through the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope.

The Bible is sufficient for your studies of God. It was written for your benefit as a Christian. To train you up and teach you the ways of God. If you don't have faith in God that he was behind the writing of the book as well as putting it together. Then there really isn't much I can do to help you other than pray.

Baron wrote:Say what you like about my beliefs, but they won't change. Perhaps you'll remember me as genuine but misguided, and I am quite sure I would remember you similarly. So long for now.

You want to know what I think? Honestly, I'm worried about you. I don't hate you, I don't wish ill will towards you. It's just you seem to grow distant more and more to the faith on my eyes. I don't know what you've been reading into, but it would seem you feel closer to it than you do the Bible and your own brethren.

God Bless you Baron, and have a wonderful day.

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Baron Brosephus
Baron Brosephus Aug 12 2015 replied:

As a matter of fact, no, I do not believe that God will reject cast into hell those who happen to think differently than Christians. We can go all into the theology of that if you'd like, but it's by no means a quick subject to wrap up, and frankly, I'm not particularly interested in debating that subject right now.

Quote: It's not what you said, it's your demeanor towards and how you view Christianity. Our teachings and the Book most specifically, you view with cynicism


If your definition of 'Christianity' is the commercialized prosperity-gospel-you're-all-going-hell ideology that multimillionaire moguls flaunt from their plush mansions, then yes, I suppose I am rather hostile towards 'Christianity'. Problem is, I don't believe that even counts as Christianity. In my opinion, the whole concept of 'God will burn you for your sins' is a remnant of archaic paganism that should have been wiped out centuries ago. Jesus did not come to judge the world, he came to save it.

And yes, I am quite aware of 2 Timothy 3:16. In fact, I agree with you in principle. The difference between you and me though, is that I don't read the Bible like a flat line. What you read as static commandments, I read as an unfolding story. I believe that the laws that God gave were perfectly wise and sensible for their time. Does that mean they should enforced today. Absolutely not. Why? Simple. Humanity is no longer at the stage where it needs those specific roles, and to depend on them at this point would actually obstruct progression rather than enhance it.

And the Bible is crammed full of this kind of progression. You'll find verses that seem to contradict each other at times, from commandments to the apparent nature of God. What people often view as 'contradictions' in the Bible however, are by no means contradictions, they are a development, a progression of the 'storyline'.

Last but not least, and I cannot begin to stress this point enough: in many passages in the Bible you will find that God inspired the authors, but absolutely NOWHERE in the Bible will you find anything that says God wrote and gave the Bible to humans. The Bible was, first and foremost, written by HUMANS, humans who had cultural biases, prejudices, and preconceptions about the world they lived in. And while their work had divine inspiration, ignoring the very human element present in the Bible is foolish.

If you just read it as a flat line containing commandments and objectively describing events, you come up with all sorts of of contradictions and problems. But if you read the way it was supposed to be read, from the perspective of the writers at the time, you get an unfolding story filled with a detailed background and a very, very powerful narrative.

God bless you too, my friend. May you have a very good day.

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Joshua Brisco
Joshua Brisco Aug 12 2015 replied:

There's nothing to discuss their regarding theology. The Bible has made it clear Christ is the only way to Salvation. The people who choose not God, cannot be allowed eternity. We can't have Hitlers and Stalins running around causing havoc and letting loose the dogs of war.

Baron wrote:If your definition of 'Christianity' is the commercialized prosperity-gospel-you're-all-going-hell bull that multimillionaire moguls flaunt from their plush mansions, then yes, I suppose I am rather hostile towards 'Christianity'.

You can rest in solace with the fact that the "prosperity pimp" preachers are not who I follow. If it's any conciliation, this is who I listen too. Ive learned a great deal from them and know for a fact, God is with them.

Sonlifetv.com

Baron wrote:The difference between you and me though, is that I don't read the Bible like a flat line. What you read as static commandments, I read as an unfolding story. I believe that the laws that God gave were perfectly wise and sensible for their time.

There are still laws that apply today. Ten Commandments still apply, God's natural order of things, a man with a woman, still apply. Not killing kids in abortion, giving life a choice (not just the mother), still applies. These aren't even things a Christian has to read from the Bible, the Spirit of God bears witness with one's conscious on it.

Baron wrote:You'll find verses that seem to contradict each other at times, from commandments to the apparent nature of God. What people often view as 'contradictions' in the Bible however, are by no means contradictions, they are a development, a progression of the 'storyline'.

What contradictions would you like to give for example? I know the Old Testament and New Testament contradict each other, but that's because Christ had come. The Old Testament is the New hidden, and the New the Old revealed. This is the dispensation of Grace now what were in, God is reserving his judgement for now until the appointed time. He's the same God he was in the Old Testament Baron, you have to realize that.

Baron wrote:The Bible was, first and foremost, written by HUMANS, humans who had cultural biases, prejudices, and preconceptions about the world they lived in.

And there was still the same "immorality" and "war and destruction" back during those times as now. The only thing that's changed is technology since then. People are still the same vile things they were then now. Yet, Christians have domesticated things around the world greatly, as well as God's Spirit since Christ. That's the Church's job. You have to see into the spiritual, not just the intellectual to understand this.

The Bible isn't just a story, it's a guideline for us Believers to live by. It's what we use as a mirror for ourselves, and how to train up our children and society under God. Those who wrote it did so under God's direction, and the effect it's had on those who follow the Lord is proof enough God really wrote it. It's not just a book, it's the Book for the Christian.

Bible wrote:Isaiah 28:10 - For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little.

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Joshua Brisco
Joshua Brisco Aug 12 2015 replied:

One last thing Baron, and I need to clarify this.

Bible wrote:John 3:17-18 - For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him. He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.


He who does not Believe and center their faith in Jesus Christ is already judged. Therefore will be damned, they will not inherit the Kingdom of God.

We live in this world, but aren't of it. Just remember that.

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Baron Brosephus
Baron Brosephus Aug 13 2015 replied:

Quote: For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him. He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

- John 3:17-18


Emmm...that verse more or less sums up what I'm saying. What is Jesus's message? That God is not some angry tyrant who will throw outsiders into hell. Jesus's whole message is acceptance, and what he is saying is that those who do not accept that message continue to judge others will themselves be judged.

I know perfectly well we are not of this world. And that is exactly why I think things like warlord politics and nationalism are a foolish use of one's time, because they distract us from who we truly are.

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Joshua Brisco
Joshua Brisco Aug 13 2015 replied:

That verse also has a second line, verse 18 which I included. While it does mention your point, it also mentions mine right after. It clarifies of he who has not believed is judged already. All I'm trying to say here.

John 3:16 is also a verse before 17 here. For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever believes in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life. So that would further enforce the stance of verse 18.

That's your opinion on the matter and you're entitled to it. But part of what I am is a loyal trooper, I love God, I love my country, I love my family. Despite what issues I have with the latter two, I still love em. Even though they are far from perfect, especially today for my country. There is corrupt leadership, there is wrong doing, of that I am aware and not proud of but ashamed.

But if people like me gave up entirely, than things would be far worse in my country than they are now. Sometimes, a Christian can be the last line of defense.

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AnYnA
AnYnA Aug 12 2015 replied:

This is why the enemies of Christianity find open room to attack us

Of course God and Jesus is the center but religion should not be forced unto one at all , Joshua

It is Baron's own choice to study something else than Christianity or not.Study, studying is not a sin.Conversion to another religion is but that is another matter and i don't think he said anything in this regard

" Seek the truth and the truth shall set you free "

The truth in quantity is not held inside the Holy Bible only , it is spread like pieces of a puzzle all around the world.There is proof of God , a supreme diety in every religion of the world

Then there is also that matter of Lord Jesus missing period from His life where some say that He went and visited all peoples of Earth , revealing Himself to them as a teacher like Buddha

God's ways are mysterious and hard to figure out

Even if i am christian i would hate if my religion would be forced upon me just as i would hate any other religion to be forced upon me , while God all this time since the dawn has made each and all of us perfectly capable to choose for ourselves

You can study anything , everything , even things about the enemy of God if your sole purpose is to inform yourself and know more

Knowing more always helps while knowing less seldom helps but anyway Joshua in his own way is correct too

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Joshua Brisco
Joshua Brisco Aug 12 2015 replied:

The truth is the Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ, nothing else.

AnYnA wrote:The truth in quantity is not held inside the Holy Bible only , it is spread like pieces of a puzzle all around the world.There is proof of God , a supreme diety in every religion of the world

Gabriella, those religions are not of God. They're of the hearts of men. It's not worth it to dig through a trash can just to find a single morsel of food (spiritually speaking) now is it? Especially when that food is tainted by what's in the trash.

I don't personally believe Christ visited all the people's of the Earth in a "missing period" of his life. That's but speculation. Was never in the Bible.

The Kingdom Age, the laws of God will be forced on all. That's inescapable, and non-negotiable. If there is to be peace and prosperity, than this must happen.

Sure, it's wise to study the enemy, but at what risk to yourself? Be careful who you hang around with, lest you become like them. Likewise with what they teach.

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AnYnA
AnYnA Aug 12 2015 replied:

Joshua , i will have to point out to you that you went a bit crazy , overzealous and have been a bit rude with Baron more than you should

The man wanted an impersonal debate first and not everything to transform into a critic of his own person compared to other persons

This is what i hate at debates.People cannot talk just about the topic pending but they pick on each other's person and that is where everything begins to go wrong

" Gabriella, those religions are not of God. They're of the hearts of men. It's not worth it to dig through a trash can just to find a single morsel of food (spiritually speaking) now is it? Especially when that food is tainted by what's in the trash. "

Hey there friend ! God did not begin to exist for us when Lord Jesus came just 2015 years ago + or - 33 years ( his time on Earth among us ) , God was actually even more present before Lord Jesus in many ways

And don't get me started about the great civilizations of the ancient past or of the farther past that were nothing but taught by God but in other forms God was known then , not like now

And after Lord Jesus's age i don't recall things in history akin to those mentioned in ages of Moses or other prophets , happening.Things like : wonders , seas splitting in two , people healing from uncurable diseases , the dead returning back to life and many others

People have become more and more blind with time , they have become stuck up in themselves and their ideas tolerating less , less and less other peoples that are not like themselves and so we have conflicts and worldwide wars

Each and every religious man and woman of any religion suffers of the disease of : feeling the urge to point out that they are the most righteous and in the know of things compared to others and as they strive to point out this fact , the smaller they become actually

" The Kingdom Age, the laws of God will be forced on all. That's inescapable, and non-negotiable. If there is to be peace and prosperity, than this must happen. "

Again i am disappointed.Joshua, friend.

God doesn't force anything at all.God created Free Will.
God gives us a choice , a simple one that any being really ( even from the fauna and i'm not sure even the flora ) can understand : DARKNESS or LIGHT ; RIGHT or WRONG ; EVIL or GOOD : GOD or SATAN

Even though people like to think we live in 32 bit color reality , which graphically we do , things in essence at the deepest level are ALWAYS one way or the other

There can be evil in christianity ( see cases of child molesting , murders , hidden satanic worship - many things really ) and very good and [ of God ] things can be found at other religions , or not even religions but just philosophies

I fail to see for instance where the wise Sun Tzu ever taught something anti-God , while to me they feel like teachings of pure honor , glory unto a path of Good , logically unto a path of God

Then there is also the matter of how you use the teachings of God too.Many use the word of God for nefarious purposes and this IS exactly infact what Lord Jesus said to be careful that many many false teachers claimers of Jesus will happen by in the end days

Of course Lord Jesus Christ did say : " You are with Me or against Me " but He also said to love one another , to surrender ourselves for another and to take our cross and follow Him all the while too

He did not specify anything regarding other knowledge or other races of humans or anything.If it was a specific race that He warned more than others it was our jewish brethren of course

And sometime in the near past you said it yourself Joshua that evil spawns from the hearts of people not from the knowledge outside

Check if you don't actually hate God and His teachings all along while you try to encourage force unto people.Whomever mentions or encourages something forced upon someone sounds an alarm in my soul akin to those alarms against a natural cataclysm.

Only the enemy of God would use force upon us and he will too , in the days with the mark of the beast for all of us and so on which can be elaborated into a discussion in itself but not now

So , you contradict yourself quite much , Joshua , at least between topics of discussion if not in the same topic




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Joshua Brisco
Joshua Brisco Aug 12 2015 replied:

AnYnA wrote:Joshua , i will have to point out to you that you went a bit crazy , overzealous and have been a bit rude with Baron more than you should

If I'm viewed as a zealot, that's because I am a zealot, and proud of it. As for the second part, that's up for interpretation, I believe me and him are on equal footing in terms of our demeanor towards each other.

Don't think he wanted a debate. He said things that bothered me, so dealt with it.

AnYnA wrote:Hey there friend ! God did not begin to exist for us when Lord Jesus came just 2015 years ago + or - 33 years ( his time on Earth among us ) , God was actually even more present before Lord Jesus in many ways

God and Jesus are the same, don't you believe in the Trinity? It's even speculated that the figure that appeared before Joshua lead Israel into the Battle of Jericho was in fact a pr-incarnate appearance of the Lord Jesus Christ. The Captain of the Lord's Grand Army, one of which I am a part.

AnYnA wrote:God doesn't force anything at all.God created Free Will.

God also created hell, specifically for those who disobeyed Him and betrayed the Kingdom of God. And that is where all who reject Christ will burn for eternity, along with the Lucifer and his fallen. Bible makes this crystal clear, no need for scripture.

AnYnA wrote:I fail to see for instance where the wise Sun Tzu ever taught something anti-God , while to me they feel like teachings of pure honor , glory unto a path of Good , logically unto a path of God

Sun Tzu was a brilliant military tactician and philosopher on the art of war. But not a man of God nor prophet. There may have been honorable aspects about some of what he believed personally but that is irrelevant. Christianity teaches the same honorable principles but centered around Christ, as it should be.

AnYnA wrote:Then there is also the matter of how you use the teachings of God too.Many use the word of God for nefarious purposes and this IS exactly infact what Lord Jesus said to be careful that many many false teachers claimers of Jesus will happen by in the end days

I'm fully aware of this, and see it consistently especially these days. One key way to tell if they are teaching apostasy is if what they teach is NOT centered around Christ and the Cross of Cavalry. Yet both you and Baron defended these false ways that are not centered around that, which I cannot let slide.

AnYnA wrote:He did not specify anything regarding other knowledge or other races of humans or anything.If it was a specific race that He warned more than others it was our jewish brethren of course

I'm not arguing against knowledge, I'm arguing about embracing and or trying to learn wisdom from "religions" of man. Their wisdom is corrupted and leads to damnation. It's not around Christ, and is surrounded by other things that are not Godly in doctrine. No matter how well intentioned.

AnYnA wrote:Only the enemy of God would use force upon us and he will too , in the days with the mark of the beast for all of us and so on which can be elaborated into a discussion in itself but not now

God used force to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah, he used force to bring the plagues on Egypt, he used force stop Israel from being destroyed by 100,000 Assyrian soldiers.

He's the same God he was in the Old Testament.

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AnYnA
AnYnA Aug 12 2015 replied:

Continuation

And yes , although i hate ( always ) to pick on someone's person , i will have to say that you should be more tolerant , more brotherly to COT and others , unto Christ , and not spurn him but actually be kind with the man if you still think there is something wrong at him and nothing wrong with you and you want to guide him to a better path and indeed you are also too stuck into your own culture and own politics thing that sometimes they cloud your judgement

Let's remember :

" Why do you look at the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? 42"Or how can you say to your brother, 'Brother, let me take out the speck that is in your eye,' when you yourself do not see the log that is in your own eye? "

Off the record : Please boys don't fight.

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Joshua Brisco
Joshua Brisco Aug 12 2015 replied:

Sorry if Baron took what I said personally, thought he had thicker skin than that.

As for more serious things, I'd keep that between me and the person in question. I didn't embarrass Baron nor intend to do so. I was simply being me, as always.

Joshua wrote:You want to know what I think? Honestly, I'm worried about you. I don't hate you, I don't wish ill will towards you. It's just you seem to grow distant more and more to the faith on my eyes. I don't know what you've been reading into, but it would seem you feel closer to it than you do the Bible and your own brethren.

God Bless you Baron, and have a wonderful day.

I don't know how this got interpreted as me being cruel and spurning, I'm not a wimp and don't address people like a domestic cat, but neither am I a full blown jerk.

And yes, I'm aware of that scripture. Doesn't mean I should sit down and shut up when I see a problem. All I can do is try and take a different approach when addressing such things in the future.

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Baron Brosephus
Baron Brosephus Aug 13 2015 replied:

@Joshua: No worries, my good man. I respect a man who can stick to their views, even though I may not necessarily agree with them. I can assure you that there are no hard feelings.

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Joshua Brisco
Joshua Brisco Aug 13 2015 replied:

@Baron

And I respect you for sticking to yours.
I'm sorry I went nuts quoting everybody.

You have a wonderful day, and God Bless.

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AnYnA
AnYnA Aug 12 2015 replied:

I would never get you wrong COT

I understand you by a margin of at least 90 % let's say, hopefully

What you say at first means what i mentioned too : people that use you for their profit , rob you , enslave you.They are the bad guys alright and nobody should be someone else's indentured servant.Many of these things should be cast out from the world...but it escapes me what it would actually take for people to achieve that

We are all born equal but we don't live equally or die equally , unfortunately

Especially you , you can study Buddhism , Daoism , Confucianism and other really cool philosophies right there on the spot from the motherland of them

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Joshua Brisco
Joshua Brisco Aug 11 2015 replied:

Going to get blacklisted for this, but I actually agree.
There are times the ends does justify the means.

Every situation is unique however. So be sure you know what it is you're doing.
As well as what the consequences will be afterwards, keep a good tally.

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AnYnA
AnYnA Aug 11 2015 replied:

Sometimes you have to do what you have to do never minding the consequences and the opposition

No one achieved greatness or at least a great deed without daring to step up for themselves or for others

If something is right , if something feels right , it will surely end up with a good result in the end and if that deed remained in history , you only but written history yourself

There are people that talk about others , there are people that talk about things that other people do and there are people that do things

I think it all depends how you wanna be and how much impression you wanna leave behind in the world , Joshua

Take Lord Jesus for example : if He were too scared of those opposing Him , too scared of people in general , too scared of the consequences He would have never been crucified of course but He would have never taught the world about God neither He would've brought any salvation for us

God doesn't want blind obedience only , He wants us to fight for Him , for everything that's good and put ourselves at stake for others

These things are rewarded more than just standing aside and doing neither good or evil

There are two sayings i'll leave in conclusion

“ The world is a dangerous place to live, not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it.”
― Albert Einstein

" The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. "

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Joshua Brisco
Joshua Brisco Aug 11 2015 replied:

Yes, but sometimes, to defeat evil.
You're going to have to do things that will plague your soul for a long, long time...

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AnYnA
AnYnA Aug 11 2015 replied:

It's a small cost compared to the good that you've achieved in rest and God teaches us to leave ourselves aside for the good of others

Defeating evil cleanses one's soul with the act in itself

A killer of criminals for instance would be a killer too but by killing he or she prevents innocents from being killed

Diplomacy is good but it's not perfect and once diplomacy fails , or other passive ways of dealing with evil then you got nothing else to do but use similar ways of fighting evil that evil uses to fight you or Good in general

Fighting fire with fire really works , Joshua , once you see that fighting fire with water fails

Just like Aria from Mass Effect said when dealing with certain matters

" I will have to employ violence "

If the people of God continue to remain like sheep waiting for slaughter by wolves , we won't do anything but disappoint God in the end when God has given us all we need to fight

I think God wants soldiers , fighters , heroes that stand up for Him and for the Faith

Sooner or later , conflicts will escalate and when it will come to the matter of defending your faith , your family and everything that's good from Evil , you will either fight or fall

It's better to do good deeds in harsh ways than do evil deeds in peaceful ways i say

But of course you are correct too with everything you said

It falls to how each person is personally and how they choose to do things in the end

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