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thethiefofthecomapo
thethiefofthecomapo

You need to calm down Baron Brosephus, you criticize those who are logical and cautious of so called "refugees" (not all are refugees, this has been proven). When you call people with logical and natural scepticism "pathetic cowards without a shred of human empathy" you are judging them. What did Christ say about judging? Don't be a hypocrite and don't judge those you don't know in real life.

It's not for you to judge and certainly not for you to say they are without human empathy because they think with their brains instead of emotionally like you.

The refugee crisis cannot be resolved by letting everyone in indiscriminately, nor can it be resolved by the opposite extreme of barring everyone. However there still needs to be security in place, everything must be done with a level-head, we must also be aware of the very real threat of terrorists coming in through the same means as some of these refugees and migrants. Your emotional thinking has no place in politics. This isn't about religion.

Also, many of the western nations have taken in their fair share of migrants. Stop judging the Christians and westerners and judge the Islamic Gulf Countries that the west funds who have abandoned their own Muslim brethren and refused to take in a single refugee.

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Baron Brosephus
Baron Brosephus

It's one thing to be wary of ISIL fighters making their way in through the waves of refugees. It's another to give in to hysteria and lock off access to refugees, or protest how they will "destroy our culture". Fear of ISIS I can understand, it's natural to cower before bloody displays of force.

But the fact is, Europe would be complaining regardless of whether or not ISIL existed. Years before ISIS emerged, people were already bewailing the fact that their society was becoming "overly-Muslim" because 6% percent of their population was now composed of immigrants. ISIL is simply a additional factor to the rabid hysteria and xenophobia that many Europeans have fallen prey to. This sort of irrational fear of foreign elements is one that has been seen time and time again throughout human history, from the "Yellow Peril" doctrines that were dominant in the 19th century, to the fear of those with Jewish or Gypsy ancestry in Europe that held strong for centuries, to the fear of Christianity in China and Japan during the 17th-20th centuries.

You claim I am resorting to "emotional thinking", and that I should try to be more logical. Perhaps your million-dollar advice would have saved the lives of the 3,700 refugees who died trying to cross the Mediterranean. Perhaps they should have simply accepted their circumstances and spared Europe the terrible fate of having too many foreigners in their lands. Is it really so overly-emotional to try and leave an overcrowded, unstable region where your life could be in danger at any time? Or is perhaps overly-emotional to hold all new-comers in suspicion, without considering the fact that they are running from the same horror you are so terrified of?

Now, I can already predict what you're going to reply with. You're going to tell me how Europe and the US have already been carrying too great a burden, and the Middle East needs to take on more of a supportive role in the region. Do you which countries hold the most refugees? Iraq, Turkey, Lebanon, Jordan, and Egypt, all deeply Islamic countries. Should Israel and the Gulf countries be doing more? Absolutely, the idea that military and economic association with the West guarantees a free pass for Middle Eastern affairs is sick and ultimately contributes to further instability.

On a further note, I agree with you that security measures need to be implemented in order to guarantee safety. Cherry-picking who can and cannot enter based on religious association and economic condition as many are suggesting however, is beyond irrational. There is a difference between implementing safe security checks, and establishing a caste system whereby only those who fit the niche of a "non-terrorist" are allowed access.

Lastly, the way you try to align me as either on the side of the "Christian West" or the "Islamic Gulf countries" is laughable. As you yourself said, Israel and the Gulf countries are spoon-fed money and military assets by the West (looking at you, USA), yet they contribute little if anything at all towards maintaining stability in the region. Furthermore, the Gulf Countries frequently espouse the ultra-conservative militant ideology that has allowed groups like ISIL to flourish.

Quote: Don't be a hypocrite and don't judge those you don't know in real life.

If only more people would follow such advice before blindly locking down their borders because the people who come in might be dangerous. What about the legions of Western soldiers who marched on Iraq twice? Perhaps they might have been dangerous? The reason I blame the West (particularly the USA) more than the Gulf countries is that if the West had not invaded Iraq, ISIL most likely would have never surfaced. The environment of post-war Iraq has created a new breed of radicalism that never would have existed had the invasion never taken place. But what has been done is done, and now the world must find a way to resolve this issue in a logical, non-hysterical manner.

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Joshua Brisco
Joshua Brisco

Ive heard of complaints from the U.K. over their growing Muslim population.

Too be frank it's cultural differences. You gotta learn that mixing different cultures doesn't always end well, especially if they are on opposite sides of the progressive spectrum. Of which the West and Mideast are severely different.

Of course Europe and the West will complain. Many of these refugees will likely refuse to assimilate into western culture and attempt forming their own communities like back in the mideast which will start culture wars between the peoples.

We've already got that problem in the USA especially evident in the political world, it's a damn circus. And I take no pleasure out of witnessing it.

The key to successful immigration of a person, is their ability to assimilate into that society or at least be tolerant of that societies views. I shouldn't have to say anymore than that, just let the facts and stories out there speak for themselves.

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Joshua Brisco
Joshua Brisco

Breitbart.com

This is part of why the refugee situation needs to be taken more seriously. Look at the kind of people they're letting in their country, what they're doing. This is the kind of stuff that shows a obvious failure in the immigration process.

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Baron Brosephus
Baron Brosephus

Barbaric behavior like this is what make people so fearful and suspicious of newcomers, but to give in to hysteria and simply block off all immigrants as many would suggest is equally barbaric.

Improved security checks need to be set in place so the sorts of people who engage in this sort of behavior will have a harder time entering. However, the radical right-wing views that more and more people are falling prey to will not just result in potential troublemakers being denied access, but in many genuine refugees being denied access as well.

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Joshua Brisco
Joshua Brisco

What's truly barbaric is how unstable the mideast has become to the point we have millions of people trying to leave to go elsewhere. Obama certainly didn't help that nor did Putin with their proxy wars and toying with governments.

I don't believe justice is really going to be served here as it should. The governments have grown too corrupt to see these things done right. They're like the UN at this point, they profess to do great good when it's really nothing more than little stunts for the cameras. Just a "feel good" show. And likewise, even the refugees as seen in that link not all are trustworthy. There's darkness everywhere.

Keep in mind I never said too "block off" all refugees. Although I am a strong supporter of creating safe zones in their own countries until their tough times go.

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Don't worry boys . The most civilized refugees will be from the West World when we will have to refugeee ourselves hahah

I agree with both of you ending with Joshua included
Refugee types of zones where settlements can be built to hold them on their own soil , country and god care

Mixing stuff forcefully causes chemical-like reactions that you will have to deal with
Anyway Smile ! both of you because tomorrow will be a wee bit worse
Terra's gonnerz until the 2100's or so hopefully sooner

Me out !

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Yukino-Croft
Yukino-Croft

Have a nice day - Moddb.com :)

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Yukino-Croft
Yukino-Croft

You ever wonder why this, presumably, omnipotent deity, which is Alpha and Omega, as a constant and a singularity says: Let US make mankind in our image, in our likeness... This simple word: us. As though he needed support designing this universe. What's your reasonable opinion on this? Maybe this God is not what you think it is or perhaps Bible's scripture has been mistranslated, although it appears to be legit... and, in the end, it is God's word, is it not?

Merry Christmas, my genetically engineered humans or evolutionary anomalies. :)

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Joshua Brisco
Joshua Brisco

"Us" be in reference to the Trinity.

At least in the sense of God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.
It's those 3 parts that are said to make up God in totality.

I doubt I fully grasp the concept of it though.
My understanding of such in spirit is limited.

Merry Christmas. :-)

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Yukino-Croft
Yukino-Croft

'Trinity' sounds more like an elder music band. You know, some perceptive science grumps unlocking secrets of time and space, genetics and perverted sarcasm. :D

Oh my. Trinity? I need to ah... prepare for its/their arrival- Media1.gameinformer.com ^_^

Bible is merely a notion of what may exist. There are infinite possibilities and this deity may be one of them.

If you believe in an omnipotent being, then this Youtube.com little notion of a seemingly advanced alien life form should not come as a surprise to anyone.

People like to think of themselves as the supreme species, but hell no... it's just preposterous. My point is: countless people are certain God exists, but they reject aliens out of hand, I mean, how silly is that? The odds are- aliens are a more plausible theory than God's one, I mean it.

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Joshua Brisco
Joshua Brisco

Are you certain the aliens are more possible?

I mean we spend billions of dollars over here in the United States of America every year with our attempts at communications with alien species across the stars. Still not a peep from them.

Wait, I got a idea of why, "politics incoming".

LIBERALS, that's why they won't communicate with us! Liberals! You wanna know why Mars is the barren wasteland of doom it is today? Because, liberals got their first. They won in the end too, no more pollution, no more CO2 emissions either. All at the cost of the total destruction of the society that once lived there.

Until further notice, the aliens have quarantined the Terran sector, no talking with the Terrans for risk of the diseased libtard ideology spreading further. Too many societies have fallen to that wretched belief system already...

In all seriousness though I take the idea of a divine creator more plausible given the magnificence of it all. The creation, all this around us is proof of God. It's all beyond that of any alien species. Unless God created them for that purpose, which I doubt he'd need them for.

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jfpoliveira12
jfpoliveira12

I got late to this convo, sorry.

I think God was speaking to the angels, which He did create before mankind and also in His likeness. God is a Father, and he wanted his children to witness the creation of their fleshy, earthly bretheren, maybe even as a family project.

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Yukino-Croft
Yukino-Croft

So ah... what about other habitable planets in our universe? It must have been a pretty hectic time for God, cos' he had to create countless species across the universe. And did his angels witness all God's creations and inventions? One enormous family project, yes. We have intelligent relatives on other planets, how cute. :) Let's go to Asgard, please. ^_^

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Joshua Brisco
Joshua Brisco

As said, I stick to the idea that was of the Trinity. Specifically when he says "us". There are Evangelists out there like Jimmy Swaggert who'd agree with me.

If you can somehow convince the world governments to stop being selfish, conceited jerks, and actually work to make that happen then I'd be the first one to volunteer.

:-)

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Yukino-Croft
Yukino-Croft

Mars used to be a relatively lush world that resembled our blue marble to some extent. I suppose scientists are reluctant to reveal all details about Mars for various reasons. And most ordinary people never even think of this seemingly barren world, so NASA and government can keep a lid on numerous things. The Rover Curiosity must have discovered way more than NASA is allowed to admit. And even before Curiosity and other space missions across our solar system, government was always reluctant to reveal anything. We're given some photos, while NASA and government keeps everything else in secret.

There are visible pyramids, statues, symmetrical structures on Mars. mm watch this video, it may broaden your perspective Youtube.com but I assume you already know it. And now, identical and similar inventions may have been used on Mars and who knows, perhaps in a more advanced way. You know, perhaps spirituality, energy... if we were connected all these meta-physical things, we'd evolve beyond recognition, but it's only my assumption.

I'm not against spirituality, on the contrary. I'm into energy, neurology... if we just found a way to... use it to our advantage... to evolve. Sadly, few people think of it this way.

And as for aliens ha! they exist and our current technology is unable to detect them or they merely hide knowing how vile our species can be. Possibilities...

mm I'm the Avatar - Youtube.com :D okay you can laugh now. whisper: I'll show you one day... I will. hahaha ^_^

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Joshua Brisco
Joshua Brisco

As for that vid, uh, one problem with the theory on it...
I'll quote someone who wrote a very eloquent response there.

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"The ark was not built until after the Israelites fled Egypt, and after Pharaoh was dead. God gave Moses the dimensions of the Ark at the same time he instructed him on how to build the tabernacle. This was at the time the Israelites were wandering through the wilderness... well after Pharaoh was dead.

Because the plans for the Ark of the Covenant were not even drawn up yet when Pharaoh was alive, let alone not having been built yet, it is absolutely impossible for the Egyptians to have used what did not yet exist, to conduct electricity... unless someone just wants to completely re-write the Bible and history.

Simply put: The Ark wasn't even a design on paper. It wasn't built yet.

And when it was built, the Bible tracks it's whereabouts throughout the entire time it's place was known on earth, until it vanished, well after Egypt ceased to be a world power. Even the time the ark was captured by God's enemies, it's whereabouts was still recorded. The only time the ark left the camp of Israel was when the Philistines captured the Ark and took it to Ashdod to sit alongside the image of Dagon. At all other times it was in the presence of Israel.

I think this video has some really good points. Unfortunately, however, this one major error, spoken with such conviction, only brings reason for skepticism to any of the more valid points. You really need to re-read the Bible's account, take this video down, and redo the entire video; but to reflect history accurately. I believe in the Bible and in God. But there's no reason to tie the Bible in where it doesn't belong. Rather than validate the Bible, it makes both the Bible and your claims look false. The ark has no place in this particular story. I recommend you read this...

Worldtruth.tv

And consider that the Bible also says that there was once a world that predates ours, before the flood, which was run by rebellious angels who had greater knowledge than men had/have, in which world there may have been advanced technologies that reflected beings that were witness to earth's very creation."

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I agree with the man's points.

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Yukino-Croft
Yukino-Croft

It's merely a video based on subjective beliefs that shouldn't be taken at face value, although it raises some valid points concerning limitless energy, refined technology, sophisticated civilization that most likely existed in the past.

As for the Ark of the Covenant- it may have been one of many revolutionary devices used as super conductor or something else. More of a scientific phenomena than a divine source of energy. My point- such devices were most likely in short supply, but consider this, there are hundreds pyramids all over this one small world alone, possibly less on Mars.

Does Bible describe a scientific progress in some way? It's more of a history book that portrays social norms and various events. It can be treated as mythology or reality that evokes curiosity.

You mention angels now and then assuming they were God's most loyal servants and so on. You ever wonder if it's merely just a sophisticated alien species that helped us in the past? And that this aliens species was in contact with a higher being than them? Well, maybe Bible is true in some way.

You ever heard of The Pleiadians - Fb.ru

You know... aliens- Conspiracyclub.co does it seem preposterous? Is it far-fetched? You believe in angels and demons... I want friendly aliens not pesky demonic maniacs going around spoiling our and other intelligent species across the galaxy. Well, Star Wars seem impossible, but Star Trek is possible.

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Joshua Brisco
Joshua Brisco

I know, again don't take my response as saying the video is bunk or anything.
It does bring up good points in it's own right.

The Bible does have some scientific facts that we apparently didn't confirm till now. I was planning on posting a image and description on this here but here's a article I was gonna link. I look forward to expanding on this info where I can to further back my argument when I present it.

Livingwaters.com

There's a lot I don't know, I mean in intelligence terms I'm on the level of that with a redneck hillbilly. I'm pathetic honestly, so yes it's possible Angels could be somewhat Alien. Or at least the fallen one's. From what I was told they wanted to live like men and create their own forms. It's a possibility. I don't know for certain.

I like the old star trek series better.
They were so much more, classy...

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Joshua Brisco
Joshua Brisco

I know, it's far more probable the government has stuff it keeps a lid on behind our backs and it honestly wouldn't surprise me given their record of secrecy in the past.

Here, you want something suspicious that happened at the Space Station?
Youtube.com
Youtube.com

Now, do keep in mind, I don't believe everything I see or hear.
But that does warrant investigation and even some suspicion.

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Yukino-Croft
Yukino-Croft

It may be an advanced US space shuttle or an alien space-craft. No matter, it's a highly classified information, apparently. Perhaps aliens wish to interact with certain human individuals.

One thing is certain. Earth is not the centre of the universe, our species is nor supreme, our blue marble isn't perfect, there are more advanced species across the galaxy.

And perhaps our species was once a quite sophisticated race that was so bored that decided to nuke everything. ^_^ Maybe we're from Mars, cos' there was a nuclear war and we had to escape and inhabit another world. ^_^ Maybe... perhaps... no... mm maybe.

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jfpoliveira12
jfpoliveira12

I dont think we are from Mars, or that there was ever life on Mars to begin with. Science says that Mars was once a more suitable world for life and had water on the surface, even oceans, but we have yet to find if there was any sort of life there.

Angels are aliens, but spiritual, not flesh and not needing starships. Demons are fallen angels that joined Satan's rebellion and came down to Earth to mate with human females and rule humanity. They mated with women to produce a stronger species, a Master Race, the Nephilim. These brutes were stronger than normal humans and their demonuc fathers may have given them some wisdom (albeit twisted) but they were sterile because they were hybrids. Because demons were angels at a point, they witnessed, perhaps even participated in, Jehovah's creation, so they had plenty of knowledge about how the universe works and could lead mankind to technological leaps much ahead of our own level of understanding of nature.
They left their mortal flesh bodies, which they made for themselves when they came down to Earth and allowed them to mate with the women, when God brought the Flood. They did so hecause the bodies would not be able to survive the cataclysmic event and tried to return to Heaven. However, Jehovah did not let them in, they were sinners and had acted both against Him and nature, so to this day they are imprisoned on Earth and cannot leave. The Bible hints in the book of Daniel that they are the ones that lead all nations and that is why we could never achieve peace or prosperity on our own. This is what Satan arranged for them, so they could further his purpose in leading mankind to destruction on the day of judgement. He knows that he cannot defeat God or the Lamb, so he plans on taking mankind with him on a final act of defiance because, by now, he is mad from staying awaay from his divine Father for so long, and from being thrown down to the Earth along woth the remainder of his followers that were in Heaven when Jesus was crowned king in the Heavens.

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Joshua Brisco
Joshua Brisco

Yes, he's quite mad. Mad enough to where he actually believes he'd win.
Sin in itself is madness so we're all afflicted by it, me especially.

However, there's more to why we can't achieve peace and prosperity on our own, it's "because" of sin. Our rejection of God and state of our fallen nature. Demons are only a part of the larger problem in that regard. Man constantly seeks his own utopia without God, this cannot nor ever will be successful.

God always has been and always will be...
He's alpha and omega. The beginning and the end.

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jfpoliveira12
jfpoliveira12

Yes, our sin sets us apart from God, but without Satan's constant interference, we would fare a bit better atleast, maybe even realise we need God, go back to our Father and be remade into perfection with time, like in the future 1000 years Kingdom.

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Joshua Brisco
Joshua Brisco

Very true.

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