(NOTE: This is not a group for the bashing, belittling, or debunking of other people's beliefs).
Peace be with you.
After a discussion between MattmanDude, CrazyOldTeenager, and myself, a short (but to the point) series of rules will now be coming into effect for this...
Basileus Basileon Basileuon Basileuonton. Translated as "king of kings, ruling over rulers"
Just a message from an old wanderer passing through.
Lot of information for new recruits packed into a mere article. Also has three medal of honor soundtracks to listen too while reading if you want. Enjoy.
Your new order of business now that you are a member of the Grand Army of the Lord Jesus Christ.
Just throwing this out there, I have nothing against religious people even though I'm an Atheist.
'As far as I know the Devil hasn’t brought out a book. We don’t know his side of the argument. If you ask me, the Devil and God are having an argument and the Devil is being the bigger ******* man. God’s just writing **** about him and the Devil is going “I am not even going to ******* comment son, If you talk about me like that”' -Jim Jeffries
Satan has not written a book? What is the Satanic book then? Here's just some quotes from Anton LaVey the founder of the Satanic religion:
"There is a beast in man that needs to be exercised, not exorcised."
"Blessed are the destroyers of false hope, for they are the true Messiahs - Cursed are the god-adorers, for they shall be shorn sheep!"
"If a guest in your lair annoys you, treat him cruelly and without mercy."
"Satan has been the best friend the church has ever had, as he has kept it in business all these years!"
"Truth" never set anyone free. It is only *doubt* which will bring mental emancipation."
Here's what Jesus said:
"You have heard the law that says, ‘Love your neighbor’ and hate your enemy. But I say, love your enemies! Pray for those who persecute you! In that way, you will be acting as true children of your Father in heaven. For he gives his sunlight to both the evil and the good, and he sends rain on the just and the unjust alike."
"You must love the Lord your God with all your heart, all your soul, and all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. A second is equally important: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ The entire law and all the demands of the prophets are based on these two commandments."
"For even the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many."
Yeah I'll take God and Jesus over Satan and occultists who worship Satan or the concept of Satan and evil. Anton LaVey talked about hating people and giving into your carnal and selfish desires at the cost of hurting others if need be. Jesus talked about loving people and helping others.
So I think we can safely say what Satan thinks of humanity. All cults and religions that speak such evil as Anton LaVey's Satanic religion does are of Satan. Religions of God (even Islam) teach love and peace. Satanic religions don't and even the abuse of children is taught as a doctrine within some Satanic sects.
He didn't write a book, that's the point. Don't be an idiot mate.
And God wrote The Bible? If anyone is being an idiot it is all these atheist comedians making inane, ignorant and incorrect comments and then standing back with smug expressions on their faces thinking that they're smart *****. They certainly fall in the later category which starts with an a.
(Now that's a quote that can be used in your atheist group but it wouldn't be complete without a sad old man standing next to it which will then make it feel right at home in the group.)
So go on. Where in The Bible does it say that God wrote it?
Seriously? What's the obsession with these atheist comedians? There are atheist philosophers who have raised better arguments and criticism. If you're going to quote an atheist next time then quote one of them.
Ah I see you're not part of the atheist group (yet anyways) but it's not like those images are restricted and created in that group as they pop up all over Google images and in forum threads whenever an religious debate/topic starts.
I'm pretty sure that if I Google Jim Jeffries and then that quote, I will find an image with him standing in front a black background with that quote next to him and then there will be atheists in the comment section marveling at him.
(And no Jaing. I'm not trying to be offensive to atheists here. I'm just mocking those "motivational" images they post in their atheist group which normally shows a man standing next to them and looking sad. I find them hilarious!)
No I'm not part of the Atheist group. I don't need to be in a group to illuminate that I'm Atheist, I simply denounce religion and believe it's the cause of all problems in the world. Don't put words in my mouth, I never stated God wrote the bible; this is the problem, religious people get incredibly hostile towards any one who doesn't have faith.
I do not hate you and I won't patronise you with feelings of sorrow. I understand and appreciate the fact you fear for death and wish it was something of great extent, everlasting greatness and beauty; I can't prove nothing happens and you cannot prove your God exists or that heaven exists.
I merely look at what's given and think with a rational mind, it's completely barbaric for me to believe in such utter non-sense that is religion, Adam and Eve, to believe this greater being created two white people and we're the off-spring, this is contradictory to fact God doesn't 'like' or 'agree' with incest. It's these contradictions, that make a moral human being like myself who doesn't need rules on how to not be a douche written on paper, make side judgement with Atheism.
I'm not amazing with incredible words, but any thing you want answers too can be answer through Christopher Hitchens.
No but you posted a quote implying God wrote The Bible and now you've created a strawman argument and another fueled by your ignorance of Christianity. No. Christians are not aggressive to those with no faith and I don't honestly don't think you know the meaning behind the word aggressive. What I attacked wasn't your faith (or lack of faith as you would suggest) but rather your implication.
Do I fear death? If you knew me you would know that that is not the case. I love death for it is a natural part of the cycle of life. I believe you atheists fear it which is why skeptical scientists are dedicating their lives to biological life extension and artificial life extension such as the fantasy of transporting the human consciousness into a robot.
The clearly mad scientists above intend to have this complete by 2045 but current technology clearly dictates that this is impossible at least at this moment and likely the consciousness transferred would be a copy and not really your defining essence but I won't start a debate about that.
So if anyone is scared of death it would be atheists considering the skeptic scientists seem to be dedicating their lives to projects seeking immortality while the more down-to-earth scientists simply seek cures for human ills and seek to learn more of the universe and how everything functions.
Adam and Eve were white? What Bible verse says that? Have you even heard of Mitochondrial Eve and Y-Chromosome Adam? Science and our DNA and genetics has shown that it's very much possible to be descended from two people considering we are descended from Mitochondrial Eve and Y-Chromosome Adam.
Adam and Eve's children wouldn't have been committing incest. How else did Cain find a wife and why was he scared of being exiled claiming to God that people might try to kill him? Clearly other humans existed.
Sigh, I'm not your enemy or even hostile towards you. Don't be ignorant and claim assumptions or implications through a quote that really has no surface to it. Your actions are hostile to me and I haven't really 'challenged' you or insulted you.
You love death? Listen to yourself, you're incredibly hostile, stay neutral else I can't take you seriously. Read your sentence again and tell me you don't feel embarrassed by it, I cannot fear something that of which I will know nothing about, want to know why? Because I'll be dead and I sure don't love it; nobody can define what the true cycle of life is, just because your 'book' says it should be, doesn't mean it is, that's your faith and not fact; that's incredibly narrow minded.
"Defining essence", lol please. You call them mad, I call them pioneers; I'm not interested in talking about that type of technology as it's irrelevant and you're spiralling off-subject;
It's not about their skin colour, I'm making a point that you cannot have one type of race start humanity, else we'd have a heck of a lot of inbred people.
No matter how you try curve around that subject, they were committing incest. If other humans existed then why does it say Adam and Eve were the first and off-spring is us. Please, stop the hypocritical arguments, it's completely silly.
So you have no faith in God's ability to create perfection? You seem to forget that when Adam and Eve were created they were physically perfect in every sense of the word. There would have been no genetic breakdown as a result of inbreeding because God designed us from the very beginning to be able to reproduce starting with just two people. Genetic breakdown and other problems didn't start until long after Adam and Eve's time. Even then it only happened because of Adam and Eve's sin causing them, and subsequently, us to no longer be genetically perfect. We also didn't become multiracial until AFTER God scattered all of us from Babel. The genetic diversion that created the different races took thousands of years and was only due to different environmental conditions in which the newly diverse people lived. You don't honestly think that skin color has only the purpose of distinguishing one from the other do you? Skin color serves a very real purpose.
"Skin color serves a very real purpose."
Careful, some wolf in sheep's clothing could easily twist that statement around and call you a racist. I realize that you're referring to environmental purposes, but a troll could easily mine from a comment like that to make you like a racist.
How? I do not see why you pointed that out frankly. Unless you have no knowledge of the biology of the human skin?
I never claimed you were hostile or an enemy towards me. Way to go at ignoring everything I wrote and creating yet another strawman argument. Please quote the sentence where I'm calling you my enemy and being hostile to you.
I do love death and that's not being hostile. You think it's hostile because you have the wrong definition of hostile in your brain. Death is a natural cycle of life and no that's not what The Bible says, is what I say. I do not fear a natural death at an old age. I think you do.
That type of technology isn't irrelevant because it's atheistic scientists who are supposedly fearless of death attempting to become immortal. Still it's a fantasy and pseudoscience.
You're making your own verses from The Bible now. No where does it say that Adam and Eve were the first and only humans created. Please explain how Cain found a wife then.
"You have forced me off this land today. I have to hide from you and become a fugitive, a wanderer on the earth. Now anyone who finds me will kill me!"
15 But the Lord said to him, “Not so; anyone who kills Cain will suffer vengeance seven times over. ” Then the Lord put a mark on Cain so that no one who found him would kill him. So Cain went out from the Lord’s presence and lived in the land of Nod, east of Eden.
Cain made love to HIS WIFE, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Enoch. Cain was then building a city, and he named it after his son Enoch. To Enoch was born Irad, and Irad was the father of Mehujael, and Mehujael was the father of Methushael, and Methushael was the father of Lamech."
Don't even bother trying to deny the fact I have presented. We both know you're going to deny the verse I presented here even though it argues against your simple argument that has been debunked for centuries.
As Genesis 4:14-18 shows, Cain had a wife and feared that people would kill him. This shows Adam and Eve were not the only humans. You can't claim Cain's wife was his sister because it's never implied and Adam and Eve's first daughter as recorded by The Bible came AFTER Cain was exiled and therefore your argument is debunked.
My evidence of heaven? The countless evidences for NDE's and OOBE's and doctors validation of them. NDE's and OOBE's have been recorded since ancient times and many of the patients today are clinically dead when they experience an OOBE and NDE and therefore the logical conclusion is that we have a soul and an afterlife exists.
There is massive evidence for an afterlife thanks to NDE's and there's many different scientific reports and documents proclaiming the same. See below:
Just two of the many you can easily find circulating the web. It's time to open your mind to other possibilities. The evidence is there but you and others choose to ignore it because you have hardened your hearts.
Stop being silly, you cannot prove Heaven. Science shows that energy does not disappear or get destroyed it simply takes form of another entity/type. Hey I could power your children's computer when I'm dead.
Amusing, this guy does not know what he is talking about. I seriously suggest you research your stuff before you run your mouth on a Christian Group like this one. He is just making assumptions like a fundamentalist atheist he is that only suits his own one-pathed logic. If you want to argue with us, provide empirical evidence and not this stupid non-intelligent nonsense I always see fundy atheists present when coming to argue against the Bible.
Damn it research your "facts" before you embarrass yourself. Believe me I know this from experience. You should too.
You cannot disprove God. It is impossible. Oh, but according to your logic people in the past do not exist because the only account of them is a book. Yeaahh. So The wars of 1066 never occured because the only evidence is a few spears and that tapestry thing. Wooo
And your fairy tale tendencies about the Universe emeging from nothing. And you atheist "physists" love to change definitions like "nothing" to "quantative matter" etc. LOL
There are some atheists that are not as "fundy" as this, and I have respect for them, but when someone tries to disprove "heaven" for example by saying "DUHHHH ENERGY CANNOT BE CREATED OR DESTROYED is utter madness.
Listen here, a clever atheist would not argue about this, because you remain dead. There is no heaven as soon as you die. that is wrong. The Bible even says you return to the dust. YOU ROT, you go back to the Carbon cycle. You remain dead, but your soul is dormant until the day of judgement.
Anyway I had my rant.
I'm sure glad you're on our side TheTriangulum. You're a boss!
I just did prove Heaven. You ignored the actual scientific evidence and papers I presented. The Soul is not energy. Therefore it would not apply to the same Laws of this universe. The place that people report going to in the NDE's is clearly not a place in this universe considering the very nature of it.
But I suppose a layman such as you knows more than scientists who have Ph.D's right? Don't be silly. They know more than you and I and their papers suggest that evidence for the afterlife is plenty.
Yes NDEs is clearly not a place in the universe. I do not see how these fundy atheists relate these things to this. It really befuddles me
I don't abide to bias, I do expect it on your page though. I only wish that you look at the world from a morale standard, do you not have a shred of respect for humanity without having to be told how to live?
Here is something for you.
That's a lie. North Korea and China (real atheistic countries which persecute the religious) are not really peaceful to live in. Sweden is the highest non-religious country and has a big crime-rate. It also has the highest rape crime-rate in Europe:
So can I say "owned" yet or what?
Oh also according to surveys and scientific research, atheists commit suicide more often than religious people and are also more depressed:
"Religious affiliation is associated with less suicidal behavior in depressed inpatients. After other factors were controlled, it was found that greater moral objections to suicide and lower aggression level in religiously affiliated subjects may function as protective factors against suicide attempts. Further study about the influence of religious affiliation on aggressive behavior and how moral objections can reduce the probability of acting on suicidal thoughts may offer new therapeutic strategies in suicide prevention."
Do I keep going?
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