(NOTE: This is not a group for the bashing, belittling, or debunking of other people's beliefs).
Peace be with you.
After a discussion between MattmanDude, CrazyOldTeenager, and myself, a short (but to the point) series of rules will now be coming into effect for this...
Basileus Basileon Basileuon Basileuonton. Translated as "king of kings, ruling over rulers"
Just a message from an old wanderer passing through.
Lot of information for new recruits packed into a mere article. Also has three medal of honor soundtracks to listen too while reading if you want. Enjoy.
Your new order of business now that you are a member of the Grand Army of the Lord Jesus Christ.
Lol my school has an article in the physics dept about hawking proving god does not exist. With his "Quantum Fluctuations" Theory. Now, having just read quantum mechanics, there are three very FATAL flaws in his theory.
Firstly with this he is twisting Newton's law of gravitation where F = Gm1m2//r^3 and Einsteins Energy Equation where e = mc2 to suit his "theory" He has twisted science which has been observed and equated to something completely false and made so that it works for his imagination.
Now, 1) The laws of nature, you say, are the “inescapable consequences” of “completely random quantum fluctuations”. By what logic can inescapable consequences arise from random events? Random events can only lead to contingent consequences but to be “inescapable” the consequences cannot be contingent but must be determinate (necessary).
2) For the laws of nature to be a “consequence” of anything, the principle of causality must operate. Without causality there can be neither causes nor consequences. But you then tell us that back beyond the big bang the laws of causality break down. You really cannot have it both ways. Cont...
3) You say the big bang was “caused” by “random quantum fluctuations”. Quite apart from reinforcing my last point by invoking causality prior to the existence of the cosmos, you have to answer a different question … fluctuations in what? Before the big bang there existed neither matter, energy, space nor time, so by definition there could be no fluctuations in any of these entities. (If you claim there was something of a material nature “there” before the big bang, we are no longer talking about the ultimate origin of the universe).
3) Next comes another question. Are not quantum fluctuations themselves a manifestation of natural law (e.g. the laws of quantum mechanics)? How then could quantum fluctuations be the ultimate cause of natural law as you claim? Did the laws governing quantum fluctuation invent themselves? Not even Stephen Hawking believes that.” - quote from Edgar Andrews's book
This is ridiculous. Hawking is no scientist. He is a clever man yes, but his claims are ludicrous and false.
As Stephen Hawking has twisted both Newton's gravitational theory and Eistein to support his theory that quantum fluctuation could create the universe, this gives us the idea that his theory contradicts sicence in realtiy and that put his theory to be in doubts about its reliability and acceptability.
Stephen Hawking might mention that both Newton's gravitational theory and Eistein are wrong. As he was not born at the time of the formation of the universe to observe its creation, his theory is simply not tested and ithrough his wild imagination by twisting scientific theories to suit his concept.
I am sorry, but atheism has nothing to stand on anymore. Soon they will find new convincing ways to get people to think that God is false (as prophesied) to fuel Atheist's blind faith. "The Theory of Everything" Is just the start. Satan is so malicious though, and he will find ways to manipulate the masses even further. End time is coming guys
I might post an article one day and continue but I have studying to do. :P
Quantum Fluctuations theory debunked. Well done. It's really just a theory and makes no sense whatsoever. Atheists like to say we place God as the placeholder for the gaps but atheists who believe in quantum fluctuations are pretty much doing what they claim us of doing. They are putting a placeholder into the gaps.
"The universe was the result of quantum fluctuations which just occurred. The laws of the universe are results of quantum fluctuations and we were accidental. Also coincidences are very likely and more likely and probable than purposed design."
The above statement is filled with logical fallacies and opinions supported by no facts whatsoever. The first step to prove their theory is to prove that something can arise from nothing. Their next step is to prove how unguided mindless sources can create order and balance and then their final step is to prove that coincidences creating order and design is more logical than design with purpose.
As of yet no scientific evidence has emerged supporting these opinions and no argument in logic supports these opinions either. Until proven with facts their theories are based on blind belief.
Have you guys read the story of balaam and the talking donkey :D
Yes. The donkey sees the Angel of the Lord and fears it. Contrary to the atheist opinion it was actually an angel talking through the donkey.
...I'll try a new approach here, purely for experimental reasons. Only one person is allowed to answer this string of questions. Let's begin, "Why are you a Christian? *what caused you to become one*"
In my case because I can't see anything bad about it. Despite what human do in the name of it (Witch burning), or other humans do who represent it (priests raping boys) or the church. All of this is human doing, christianity however is something on a bigger scale. I see it as our greatest test, we can choose how to survive in this harsh world. Do we want to believe into christianity, a form of morale and ethics, a form of believing into each ones worth as having a soul not just being some biomass, a unit, a monetary worth. Christianity tells us a way of live, one that aims to bring all people confidence, one to ease suffering.
It tells how to deal with people who steal, how to deal with your parents, with your wife, your childs, your way of living in a community. I see it as the eldest form of humanism. It tells you to be thankful for what you got, to be not greedy. Therefore someone who believes into christianity believes automatically into humans. Christianity does not live in being a god somewhere in heaven, it lives by our doing, by our believe. The whole "is it true, is there a god, did it happen" does not matter, the aim of christianity is what matters, and it aims for everyones well doing.
I look at animals, ants, they don't have a religion. They are only seeking their survival. The strong survive the weak die. Christianity tests us there, to not forget about the weak, to not let them die because of nature (Story about Jesus with the bread and fish comes to my mind).
Christianity tells us a noble story about the living of a man, Jesus. He wandered across the lands to help people, to pacify them, to enlight them. Ultimately he gave his live, he went so far that he sacrificed himself for us, he died for us. He made the biggest sacrifice a human can do. For me, by doing this, he earned himself the title Son of god. I cannot be arsed by facts, if he was a god, if there are angels and heaven. For me those are all symbols of a wise tale, and I believe into them because believing them helps, it gives you strength and since you aim for the well doing of everyone strengthening you will strengthen everyone else as well. A moron would believe a 2000 yr old book, it was proven that many biblical facts where either lies or overstatements. And its understandable just think of it, 2000 yr old tale back from days where there were no electricity, no computer, just paper and a mans word written by humans.
I rather see this world being ruled by the ideology of jesus, than money and the sick greedy elite which is ******* us up. There is always a god, we can choose him to be jesus, or some other religions god, or let money be god. But I can assure you, if money rules this world only the ones will do well which have it, and they will fear and live an unfulfilled live.
These are my reasons. Pretty much my believe summed up as well. May I ask you now what the aim of your experiment is?
Ok, I picked Orange because he has the more intelligent answer while Triangulum pretty much took about 20 lines to say "I believe because I believe". Now, Orange, you gave me a perfect answer, and this is what most reasonable Christians would say. You seek guidance in life and reason to live and value others. God's existence is overall irrelevant(but implied), and there is no certainty that he does or doesn't exist. My largest point is that not all of us need that. Now, to simplify things, lets say there are 4 types of people. 1: some of us who value life without religion such as myself, 2: people who see humans as meat-bags and have no religion, 3: Moderate religious people, and 4: people who use religion to justify their harmful actions. As you can see, I would label you(orange) as an overall 3, while a lot of people on here are coming across as "4" trying to "save" 1s and in isolated cases, justify the killing and displacement of people. Lastly, I would like everyone in this group to think back, and look at how Religion was introduced to them, normally this leads to your parents. Religion is personal, and should be found by one's self. If you are one of these people who have belief and faith forced unto them, I think you should actually re-assess all your beliefs and use your sense of right&wrong to rebuild yor beliefs (you may find yourself back at christianity) Thank you for your cooperation, and I hope you all understand why a lot of people find this group frustrating.
God's existence isn't irrelevant to Christianity especially when one of the commandments is to love God with all your heart and soul and Jesus said that this commandment along with loving your neighbors (people around you) are the two most important commandments that must be obeyed.
No one here (as far as I know of) believes in religion because their parents forced them into it but I can now understand why you deny religion and it's because your parents forced it onto you and it's more or less an act of rebelliousness for you to deny it. When you exit that stage of being a rebel maybe you will find religion once more.
Even those who did have religion planted into them by their parents have probably questioned their faith some time in the past and don't just believe just because.
Triangulum answered that he believed because of faith. He then went on to list that the universe looks designed and that biblical prophesies have been fulfilled (they have) which affirms his belief in Christ.
Your case is moot.
It isn't that they forced me to do it, it was that they made it common in my life to the point where I had to start asking questions. I would rather pick the path where I don't wake up every sunday, dress nice, and go into a church full of people trying to make themselves feel good without helping anyone. Like I said, god's existence is irrelevant, it doesn't matter if he exists or not, and that doesn't change the definition of what makes a good person. Not everyone needs religion. I'm lucky I live in the US, if I had said that in Afghanistan i'd have Taliban trying to gut me. Religion is like alcohol, it's a catalyst for both good and evil, and it dictates your every decision. I don't believe that.
I know a few Christians in my area who don't always try to convert me, I even volunteer at their chapel from time to time because I believe in their message of moderate religion. I've also seen young children with evangelical parents that don't allow them to play video-games because they're the "work of the devil". Don't deny the existence of religious extremism, and don't ever try to convince me of something you don't even understand.
Not every Christian goes to Church on a Sunday and it isn't even needed to dress nice and go to Church on Sunday. Everything you've written affirms my comment that you're only denying God and religion because it's the rebellious stances to take. No one goes to Church to make themselves feel good. They go to Church to worship and praise God and speak to other Christians.
"don't ever try to convince me of something you don't even understand."
And what would that be? Religion or God? I can assure you that I understand both better than you and I have never denied the existence of religious extremism so I don't know why you keep bringing that argument up which I've stated numerous times that religion has caused evil but so has atheism and irreligion (please learn the difference between irreligion and atheism) which have fueled hatred against religious people specifically Christians.
I completely disagree with what you say but I have no place to judge anyone and it is your morals.
I am not going to bother writing an essay on why we worship etc (and it is Saturday not Sunday). Because 1. you will not read it and 2. you will say "it is extremism" and i would be wasting my time.
Good day to you
He asked for 1 person to answer the string of questions -.-
He got two constructive replies back so I don't think he'll complain.
My strong beliefs are sourced from the Word of God, whom enlightened me.
I know my omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent God is the right one, because as I read the bible, I felt enlightened by his Word. He offers me something that no other religion does, and that is salvation. God is wonderful, he sent his only begotten son and died for us, to save our souls and make it possible to be forgiven. I am a Christian because I am a servant of God. For all the stars in the universe, every moment every second every hour, every birth, every death, every shining moment, The lord created. His majesty is unprecedented, his glory outshines all the stars in the universe for he is timeless and good. The bible teaches me not only of God, but it has given me wisdom. Read psalms and proverbs, which makes you wise and understand this world. I am healthy (well I think i am) and live in good standards, and for that I am so thankful to God. There are people out there who have nothing and still praise the Lord. For the Lord said "the meek shall inherit the Earth"
Also The Lord promised us eternal life, where we shall live in harmony forever more, imagine, walking and talking with Jesus, imagine a city of Gold. This eternal life is so easy to achieve, it is free, everyone is invited and all one has to do is to accept Jesus Christ as Savior and repent from sin from the heart and soul and mind. There shall be no more tears, no more blood shed, no more hate or pain or anguish, but paradise and happiness forever more. cont...
God created the universe around us to show us his splendor, he also created it to guide us across the Earth . (these are both in the bible) It is not coincidence that the angular size of the Sun and moon is the same. It is not coincidence that Polaris is located almost exactly north in the sky, to be used as a point in the sky to navigate. Read the bible. Jesus does not cause conflicts, Jesus resolves conflicts and he will bring peace to the world. Glory to his name. For conflicts taking place now are happening as prophesied. The prophecies have been fulfilled, will be fulfilled and are being fulfilled. For this is the end of time. And Satan will be defeated and cast down. And sin will be gone forever.
But what is great about God is that he will never put more than we can bare if we trust in him. Without god we are lost. Without him we achieve nothing. His love is unconditional, even the worst sinners of us he loves. Because he forgives.
I hope I answered your question well, it came from the heart.
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