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This article addresses claims that God is evil and debunks them.

Posted by KnightofEquulei on Feb 13th, 2013

Atheists, skeptics anti-Christians, critics of The Bible and even some strange Christians hold that God's actions in The Old Testament paint him as a murderer and practitioner of evil. Christian apologetics has long since debunked these claims for the nonsense that they are. It's true that quickly skipping through a few books in the Old Testament can paint God in a bad light, especially you if you take verses out of context and cherry pick but when examined as they are written and as they are part of the narrative, everything makes sense and God remains the righteous, forgiving, loving and practitioner of justice that Jesus and other prophets taught about. In this article I examine some verses used by critics who have the insolence to judge God.

"God murdered many innocents."

This is a claim often made by some people. They cite 1 Chronicles 21 as the prime example here but ignore the whole narrative. David orders a census for Israel but ignores the regulations set by Moses:

Exodus 30:12 When you take the census of the children of Israel for their number, then every man shall give a ransom for himself to the LORD, when you number them, that there may be no plague among them when you number them.

God - who had been responsible for all of Israel's victories and even for the Israelites gaining the land they were living in - gave David three choices. There choices were to either suffer a plague, a famine or be beaten by their enemies. David chose the plague and 70,000 people died. This is cited as God murdering 70,000 innocent people but this is so far away from the truth. The truth is, is that these men were unrighteous. The critic is assuming that these men were innocent people, guilty of no crime but they ignore previous passages and verses where God proclaims that he only ever kills the guilty.

Genesis 18:25-33

Far be it from you to do such a thing-to kill the righteous with the wicked, treating the righteous and the wicked alike. Far be it from you! Will not the Judge of all the earth do right?" The Lord said, "If I find fifty righteous people in the city of Sodom, I will spare the whole place for their sake."

Then Abraham spoke up again: "Now that I have been so bold as to speak to the Lord, though I am nothing but dust and ashes, what if the number of the righteous is five less than fifty? Will you destroy the whole city for lack of five people?" "If I find forty-five there," he said, "I will not destroy it."

Once again he spoke to him, "What if only forty are found there? "He said, "For the sake of forty, I will not do it." Then he said, "May the Lord not be angry, but let me speak. What if only thirty can be found there?" He answered, "I will not do it if I find thirty there."

Abraham said, "Now that I have been so bold as to speak to the Lord, what if only twenty can be found there?" He said, "For the sake of twenty, I will not destroy it." Then he said, "May the Lord not be angry, but let me speak just once more. What if only ten can be found there?" He answered, "For the sake of ten, I will not destroy it." When the Lord had finished speaking with Abraham, he left, and Abraham returned home.

In the end, the only righteous people found in Sodom were Lot and his family. This included himself, his two daughters and his wife. God destroyed Sodom in the end because of this but Lot and his family were warned to escape because of their righteousness. God did not destroy the righteous with the wicked.

Now if 1 Chronicles 21 is drawing upon Exodus 30:12 in regards to the census, why should Genesis 18:25-33 be ignored? 1 Chronicles 21 gives us no reason to believe God killed innocents unless we're willingly to dismiss everything else from before Chronicles which reveal that God spares the righteous from the wicked. So while it's true God killed 70,000 people here, they were in no way righteous. David was the only reason God was relenting his hand from Israel and once he had sinned, these unrighteous people had no protection and the chances that God had given them were up.

God allowed murderers to repent of their sins and live - yup, even in the Old Testament - and this amazing forgiveness is mentioned many times:

Ezekiel 33:19 And if a wicked man turns away from his wickedness and does what is just and right, he will live by doing so.

Isaiah 55:7 Let the wicked change their ways and banish the very thought of doing wrong. Let them turn to the LORD that he may have mercy on them. Yes, turn to our God, for he will forgive generously.

Isaiah 1:16-17 Wash yourselves and be clean! Get your sins out of my sight. Give up your evil ways. Learn to do good. Seek justice. Help the oppressed. Defend the cause of orphans. Fight for the rights of widows.

Jonah 3:8 But let man and beast be covered with sackcloth. Let everyone call urgently on God. Let them give up their evil ways and their violence.

Isaiah 1:18 "Come now, let us reason together," says the LORD. "Though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they are red as crimson, they shall be like wool.

"God ordered the murdering of many people so the Israelites could have a place to live."

Untrue.

Deuteronomy 9:4 After the LORD your God has driven them out before you, do not say to yourself, "The LORD has brought me here to take possession of this land because of my righteousness." No, it is on account of the wickedness of these nations that the LORD is going to drive them out before you.

Deuteronomy 9:6 You must recognize that the LORD your God is not giving you this good land because you are good, for you are not--you are a stubborn people.

The nations that the Israelites came to triumph over were more unrighteous than they.  Again, as with before, these people that were killed in battle against the Israelites were not righteous. They were evil.

"God supported slavery."

Another false fact.

Exodus 21:16 "Anyone who kidnaps another and either sells him or still has him when he is caught must be put to death."

Exodus 21: 20 "If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished."

Exodus 21:26 "If a man strikes his servant's eye, or his maid's eye, and destroys it, he shall let him go free for his eye's sake."

Exodus 21:27
 "If he strikes out his male servant's tooth, or his female servant's tooth, he shall let him go free for his tooth's sake."

Deuteronomy 23:15 "If slaves should escape from their masters and take refuge with you, you must not hand them over to their masters."

Deuteronomy 23:16 "Let him live among you wherever he likes and in whatever town he chooses. Do not oppress him."

Deuteronomy 15:12 "If a fellow Hebrew, a man or a woman, sells himself to you and serves you six years, in the seventh year you must let him go free."

Nothing in the Old Testament condemns slavery but as these verses show, the slavery is quite different from the slavery in the medieval era. Kidnapping someone to sell them as a slave is considered evil and sending a escaped slave back to their master is considered evil. Meanwhile, people who sold themselves as slaves had to be set free after six years. People who killed their slaves had to be punished and people who disfigured their slaves had to let them go free. So while the Israelites were even allowed to buy slaves from other nations, they had to treat them right and they were to adhere to the same rules that applied to those who had sold themselves into slavery.

At this point, it becomes obvious that this is not the slavery of the medieval era. Rules and regulations were in place for slaves and they had to be treated well. The Bible supported a man selling himself into slavery and since man has free-will what's the problem with this? Most people who criticize the Bible and the "God's advocation for slavery" often support abortion with the argument "it's the woman's body, she can do what she wants" so let's apply that to this argument: It's the man's life, he can do what he wants with it, including selling himself into slavery.

"God supported human sacrifice."

Anyone who claims this proves they've not read the Old Testament. There are verses expressing God's hate and disgust for this practice, commanding people not to do it.

Deuteronomy 12:31 "Thou shalt not do so unto the Lord thy God: for every abomination to the Lord, which he hateth, have they done unto their gods; for even their sons and their daughters they have burnt in the fire to their gods."

Jeremiah 7:31 "And they have built the high places of Topheth, which is in the Valley of the Son of Hinnom, to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire, which I did not command, nor did it come into my mind."

In conclusion, all the criticisms against God are based on Biblical literary ignorance. Everything has been cleared up with Christian apologetics. God is good and I don't need to read through the Psalms which proclaim God's everlasting and steadfast love and forgiveness to know this.

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Medusa_Zenovka
Medusa_Zenovka Mar 6 2013, 12:05am replied:

From an ethical view:
Murderers still have people who love that person, even rapers, hell maybe even Anders Behring Breivik. If you kill the perpetrator you create more misery then you prevent. You cause pain to the perpetrators family while creating the mentality that revenge and death are justified which even creates more murderer and more people who fear them. Psychological you are not solving problems, you are making them. Also killing a murderer doesnt bring justice to those that person killed, the victim is still dead for good. You take 2+ lifes to assume to safe more while the wounds will never close or even rip open further.

While on my way the perpetrator was not killed and started a normal life again. There are cases like that even that a rape married his former victim and lived a happy life. My way offers both sides to find peace and true justice, or as I would call it common sense. Cases like this are the reason why I did not abandoned mankind completly yet. The result 1+ life lost, but wounds healed or mayby just scars remain.

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TheTriangulum
TheTriangulum Mar 14 2013, 1:28pm replied:

says the man who like war games...

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Medusa_Zenovka
Medusa_Zenovka Mar 14 2013, 10:28pm replied:

And the connection is where (or are you just trolling)? Are you one of those guys who say someone who is killing pixel creatures in games is as violent as this in reality? I think you should know better than that.

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KnightofEquulei
KnightofEquulei Mar 21 2013, 8:12pm replied:
Quote:The richs get richer and the poor become more poor or even homeless - even in Germany. All over the western world. And you wonder why crime is increasing?

This has nothing to do with murder rates rising. Use some sources to support your claims and this time try to use ones which don't contradict your own argument...

Quote:And this leaves the question what a dangerous person is.

Yes a "dangerous person" would be someone who has committed murder numerous times. Prison work would do what for them? Give them something to do until they decide to shank Mr.Jory who is only in prison for armed robbery with no intention to harm? Or perhaps Mr.Smith - the guard security manager - will be the one to feel the knife next.

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KnightofEquulei
KnightofEquulei Mar 21 2013, 8:25pm replied:
Quote:My prisons are rather isolated societies where people learn to interact socially again. Funny thing is that those people are happier inside those institutions than outside, at least in our current world. The major question is: will my full-communistic world have such a high crime rate to begin with? I belief, and statistics support this, that socialized nations have a lower crime rate then those who dont have social systems. So a strongly socialized world would mean much less misery and even much more less crime to begin with. So my world would not only save more lifes than yours, but it also would prevent most murder to happen - considering that most murderer act because of misery and the least for the lust of killing.

Clearly you don't know what happened to Gaddafi then do you? Hitler would be killed before he even reached your isolated prison in the middle of the Atlantic ocean and you'd be killed trying to push the relentless blood-hungry crowd away as they tear you out from the escort truck shortly after you captured Hitler.

Your comment on what a nation should be like is irrelevant. We're not talking about whether the world will be a socialist, communist or capitalist one but if you want to get into politics then you'll have to kill many innocents (well in your case, simply sit and watch them die) to get to where you are and when you do get there, you'll have a world-wide rebellion on your hands.

In any case more socialist countries have high-crime rates so I would really love to know where you got your statistics from...

Examiner.com
Socialismtoday.org

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KnightofEquulei
KnightofEquulei Mar 21 2013, 8:33pm replied:
Quote:My world would not work - at least not fully, but it already works partially - with the current human mind in charge, thats true and I knew that for years. Well, what else I can say to that other then this is the reason why I am a misanthrop?

You're not a misanthrope otherwise you wouldn't care for humanity or the murderers that you would want to save. In any case we went through your little socialist regime and it didn't work...

Examiner.com
Socialismtoday.org

Death penalty not in favor? Wrong again!

Gallup.com

Statistics speak against you and everyone hates their governments so the view of the Politicians is irrelevant.

That's for America at least. There doesn't seem to be any gallup poll for other countries.

Oh and apparently most Canadians want the death penalty brought back:

Ca.news.yahoo.com

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KnightofEquulei
KnightofEquulei Mar 21 2013, 8:38pm replied:

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KnightofEquulei
KnightofEquulei Mar 21 2013, 8:09pm replied:
Quote:Which proves my second point. The death penalty wouldnt make much of a difference if one at all.

We're talking about those countries though. We're talking about countries which are civilized and have established systems.

Quote:Killing your enemies is weak to me, but having the curage to give him your hand to get up again and leading him into the right direction shows how strong you really are. Being strong enough to overcome your own hatred or personal deficits in general is something I would define as honorable.

"Killing your enemies is weak to me, but having the curage to give him your hand to get up again and leading him into the right direction shows how strong you really are...right before your enemy stabs you in the back."

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KnightofEquulei
KnightofEquulei Mar 21 2013, 8:06pm replied:
Quote:So lets start with those who would even kill innocent people to save someone. Isnt that the point where madness starts? Its not cowardice it is sanity, in fact it is cowardice to eliminate a potential danger rather to neutralite it. And it is the same recklessness to even sacrifice an innocent to achieve safety. I doubt that you would accept your fate if you are going to get killed because you got accused of killing and what you never did. Also some murderers dont act on free will - well, there is no fre will to begin with, but thats beside the point. Everyone deserves a second chance.

So you would let everyone die because of your refusal to kill innocent people to save more? That's where true insanity starts.

It is cowardice to not kill a few to save more and to let everyone die because you're too afraid to perform what is right.

Murderers don't act on free will? So what? Murderers are forced to kill? There are a few but most kill due to their own free-will which does exist.

Quote:Did you ever got one of my points? If so, you should see that your conclusion is the exact opposite. Doing nothing isnt what I even said once.

You just said you wouldn't kill innocents to save more innocents. You would let both parties die.

Quote: You suppose that a murderer murders again, which is wrong in general. Only a few do, most of them might be rearrested for other crimes if they dont return to a normal life.

A few is still many and many more individuals die because of this.

Quote: In reality, my methods saves more life than it takes, so a few hundred + thousands saved at the cost of a dozen. Thats how we progress.

Save that it doesn't unless your idea of a perfect world is where innocent people die and murderers live happily ever after.

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KnightofEquulei
KnightofEquulei Mar 21 2013, 8:39pm replied:
Quote:If you kill the perpetrator you create more misery then you prevent. Psychological you are not solving problems, you are making them.

Tell that to families who want the murderer to die. I think you don't pay much attention to the news do you? You did say you mistrusted it after-all (which is fine to do but when someone has been murdered, it's a murder).

You're not making any problems psychological because the victim's family have the justice that they desire and the murderer's family are already in shock from what the murderer has done. Taking his/her life would be perfectly understandable to them.

Quote:While on my way the perpetrator was not killed and started a normal life again.

And lemme guess? He went to the victim's family, held their hands and they all skipped in the fields together happily ever after? Screw the victim eh? Just another body in your communist/socialist regime where the crime rates are higher...

In any case this whole argument has gone off the rails. So I guess the initial point of the article is proven after-all.

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Medusa_Zenovka
Medusa_Zenovka Mar 21 2013, 11:12pm says:
Quote:This has nothing to do with murder rates rising. Use some sources to support your claims and this time try to use ones which don't contradict your own argument...

How well do you understand German?

Quote:You're not a misanthrope otherwise you wouldn't care for humanity or the murderers that you would want to save. In any case we went through your little socialist regime and it didn't work...

Misanthropy can be irrational, means that you can infact hate humanity and be someone for human rights. I am, otherwise I would not say that.

Quote:We're talking about those countries though. We're talking about countries which are civilized and have established systems.

To me, death penalty is always wrong, no matter where. So we are talking about ALL countries, not just the western world.

Quote:"Killing your enemies is weak to me, but having the curage to give him your hand to get up again and leading him into the right direction shows how strong you really are...right before your enemy stabs you in the back."

I never said "be a fool". I said "coquer your barbarian desire", not to be an idiot.

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Medusa_Zenovka
Medusa_Zenovka Mar 21 2013, 11:32pm replied:
Quote:So you would let everyone die because of your refusal to kill innocent people to save more? That's where true insanity starts.

It is cowardice to not kill a few to save more and to let everyone die because you're too afraid to perform what is right.


To you, everyone dies... by what? A desease? By a bunch of killers? Thats ridiculous even for humanity and not founded on any solid ground.

It is cowardice to throw away any morals just because of fear. I assume, thats why you say "let everyone die" because of fear, do you? Or is it a straw-man? Killing is never right, that should be commen sense in the 21st century. Otherwise humanity really deserves to vanish.

Quote:Murderers don't act on free will? So what? Murderers are forced to kill? There are a few but most kill due to their own free-will which does exist.

Hatred and compulsion. Do those look like free will to you? You brought up the Gaddafi story, which proves my point. And yes, I heard it, but I wasnt talking about it.

Quote:You just said you wouldn't kill innocents to save more innocents. You would let both parties die.

You would cause pain and sending out the message "killing is right, killing is justice", so people that want justice will start killing others for injust reasons and do more harm than good. Welcome to Middle Ages 2.0...

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Medusa_Zenovka
Medusa_Zenovka Mar 21 2013, 11:55pm replied:
Quote:A few is still many and many more individuals die because of this.

You are the one who would sacrifice innocent people to "safe more", not me. You are the coward who sees "everyone" dead because we let murderers live - even when reallity proves you wrong -, not me. You are the one who is wrong.

Quote:Save that it doesn't unless your idea of a perfect world is where innocent people die and murderers live happily ever after.

Perfect world? Take the stick out of your ***. Perfection is an impossible concept, so much for that. But still, my world is still better than a world filled with the desire of revenge and fear, which causes alot of trouble the modern world has.

Quote:Tell that to families who want the murderer to die.

Their idea of justice does not count, neither in judge, nor in any other way. But I already covered this humanic desire of hatred and revenge.

Quote:You're not making any problems psychological because the victim's family have the justice that they desire and the murderer's family are already in shock from what the murderer has done. Taking his/her life would be perfectly understandable to them.

Tell that to the family of an innocent victim of capital punishment policy.

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Medusa_Zenovka
Medusa_Zenovka Mar 22 2013, 12:03am replied:
Quote:And lemme guess? He went to the victim's family, held their hands and they all skipped in the fields together happily ever after?

This reminds me on a case where a child murderer feeled sorry for what he did and did exactly that.

Quote:Screw the victim eh? Just another body in your communist/socialist regime where the crime rates are higher...

"Screw the victim" is your policy, you are ready to take innocents lifes for a few murderers that also can be locked away for good. And I already covered my point about (full) communism, it never existed. And neither must it be a regime or dictorship to begin with. You really have no idea about full communism and my world view at all. So just shut the **** up on that.

Quote:In any case this whole argument has gone off the rails. So I guess the initial point of the article is proven after-all.

Does it? Death penalty is covered numerous times in the Bible, so the biblical God commands it. So its not really "off the rails".

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Medusa_Zenovka
Medusa_Zenovka Mar 23 2013, 5:07am replied:
Quote:You're not a misanthrope otherwise you wouldn't care for humanity or the murderers that you would want to save.

I just wanted to add something to that: read the German article. It contains less philosophy, but more objectivity. After that, you may understand the definition of misanthrophy.

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misanthropie

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KnightofEquulei
KnightofEquulei Mar 27 2013, 10:14pm replied:
Quote:This reminds me on a case where a child murderer feeled sorry for what he did and did exactly that.

They skipped in the fields and lived happily ever after? Shame you couldn't provide the news story behind all of this...

Quote:"Screw the victim" is your policy, you are ready to take innocents lifes for a few murderers that also can be locked away for good. And I already covered my point about (full) communism, it never existed. And neither must it be a regime or dictorship to begin with. You really have no idea about full communism and my world view at all. So just shut the **** up on that.

I'm not taking innocent lives though. You are by banging those murderers up with people who they can kill including the prison guards themselves. Let's not forget that these murderers themselves can be killed in prison and have been.

Full communism, part communism, it's all the same and it never works so STFU yourself about your socialism.

Quote:Does it? Death penalty is covered numerous times in the Bible, so the biblical God commands it. So its not really "off the rails".

It is off the rails because this has descended into a debate about whether taking a life can be considered justice.

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KnightofEquulei
KnightofEquulei Mar 27 2013, 10:01pm replied:
Quote:You are the one who would sacrifice innocent people to "safe more", not me. You are the coward who sees "everyone" dead because we let murderers live - even when reallity proves you wrong -, not me. You are the one who is wrong.

I'm the one who saves the larger portion while you abandon everyone (even your precious murderers) to die. Reality hasn't proved me wrong.

Quote:Perfect world? Take the stick out of your ***. Perfection is an impossible concept, so much for that. But still, my world is still better than a world filled with the desire of revenge and fear, which causes alot of trouble the modern world has.

Stop being so anal about everything Medusa. The world you speak of is impossible and something only dreamed up by children in their imaginative worlds. Everyone lives happily ever after including the murderer and the victim's family? Not going to happen. You're not looking at this from a realistic point of view.

Quote:Their idea of justice does not count, neither in judge, nor in any other way. But I already covered this humanic desire of hatred and revenge.

So abandon them and let them suffer while the murderer gets sent down, rehabilitated, re-housed, re-named and murders again.

Quote:Tell that to the family of an innocent victim of capital punishment policy.

Due to poor judgement. I shall. But there are more angry families whose loved ones have been the victims of a murderer.

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KnightofEquulei
KnightofEquulei Mar 27 2013, 9:56pm replied:
Quote:To you, everyone dies... by what? A desease? By a bunch of killers? Thats ridiculous even for humanity and not founded on any solid ground.

Everyone dies in a conflict where only one group can be saved. Saving the larger group means abandoning the lesser group. Saving the lesser group means abandoning the larger group. Doing nothing means both groups die. Common sense steers me to save the larger numbers.

I don't know what you'd but it seems you'd actually do nothing.

Quote:Hatred and compulsion. Do those look like free will to you? You brought up the Gaddafi story, which proves my point. And yes, I heard it, but I wasnt talking about it.

Hatred only stems from thoughts and beliefs. It's free-will.

Quote:You would cause pain and sending out the message "killing is right, killing is justice", so people that want justice will start killing others for injust reasons and do more harm than good. Welcome to Middle Ages 2.0...

Well we're already in the Middle Ages 2.0 which can be observed with the murder statistics world-wide so your argument is moot.

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KnightofEquulei
KnightofEquulei Mar 27 2013, 9:53pm replied:
Quote:How well do you understand German?

Google translate understands it well enough but don't go off-topic.

Quote:Misanthropy can be irrational, means that you can infact hate humanity and be someone for human rights. I am, otherwise I would not say that.

Misanthropy isn't irrational. It means you hate and distrust humans pure and simple.

Quote:To me, death penalty is always wrong, no matter where. So we are talking about ALL countries, not just the western world.

And we've already discussed why those countries are worst and it isn't because of the death penalty.

Quote:I never said "be a fool". I said "coquer your barbarian desire", not to be an idiot.

You can be as sharp as a knife but as soon as you turn your back you're done for.

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Medusa_Zenovka
Medusa_Zenovka Mar 28 2013, 2:34am says:
Quote:Full communism, part communism, it's all the same and it never works so STFU yourself about your socialism.

And capitalism works? Yeah, right. Communism or even socialism (=partial communism) only do not work because of mankinds greed and capitalistic indoctrination.

Quote:I'm not taking innocent lives though. You are by banging those murderers up with people who they can kill including the prison guards themselves. Let's not forget that these murderers themselves can be killed in prison and have been.

You are the one who said that he would sacrifice "a few" innocent citizen to save thousands, not me. And those prison kills are even more rare cases then innocent victims of capital punishment, so we can live with the less bloody choice.

Quote:It is off the rails because this has descended into a debate about whether taking a life can be considered justice.

But Gods word is justice, right? So why it is off the rails to debate of killing is justified?

Quote:I'm the one who saves the larger portion while you abandon everyone (even your precious murderers) to die. Reality hasn't proved me wrong.

Nope, you arent. I already showed you that western societies without death penalty have less murderers than those who do have DP.

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Medusa_Zenovka
Medusa_Zenovka Mar 28 2013, 3:03am replied:
Quote:Stop being so anal about everything Medusa. The world you speak of is impossible and something only dreamed up by children in their imaginative worlds. Everyone lives happily ever after including the murderer and the victim's family? Not going to happen. You're not looking at this from a realistic point of view.

A childish world has no murders, no suffering, no pain and so on. But stories like this http://www.news.de/gesellschaft/855345636/eltern-von-mirco-10-warum-sie-dem-moerder-ihres-sohnes-vergeben/1/ are the reason why I think it is the right way. Even if its impossible to reach that goal, it is still the right direction. Is that a childish dream far from reality? You must be insane or utterly bittered or just not matured enough to think otherwise.

Quote:So abandon them and let them suffer while the murderer gets sent down, rehabilitated, re-housed, re-named and murders again.

Thats your idea, not mine.

Quote:Due to poor judgement. I shall. But there are more angry families whose loved ones have been the victims of a murderer.

So you support mob judgement? Like we had those witch hunts or where atheist got killed for devil worshipping ect? That is poor judgement in the moral sense.

Quote:Misanthropy isn't irrational. It means you hate and distrust humans pure and simple.

You are right about what it means, but wrong about its ratioinality. The rationality depends on its form, on the subjects reasons why he/she hates mankind and how he/she expresses this hatred or anger. Do you wish me to translate the German article or does Google do this job just fine enough? Ask me and I will give you a detailed list of why I hate humans.

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Medusa_Zenovka
Medusa_Zenovka Mar 28 2013, 3:30am replied:
Quote:Google translate understands it well enough but don't go off-topic.

I never ment to. However, I understand my mother tongue much better then I understand yours, I just wanted to point that out. Besides, if you jump on things that go off-topic, then you are not better than those who start going off-topic. But I think thats enough on that.

Quote:And we've already discussed why those countries are worst and it isn't because of the death penalty.

It is never because of death penalty alone, thats totally obvious to me. Thats why I made a second point, namely that society is important as well. We might differ on how important, but I think it is the most important because it seems to me the source of almost all crimes in general. A society that propagates compassion should not kill its black sheeps in the backyard.

Quote:You can be as sharp as a knife but as soon as you turn your back you're done for.

Trust is something that have to be earned in the deepest, even for former enemies. But first of all, the enemy have to stop fighting, only then my blade would rest. Only a fool gives away this trust to anyone.

I am against killing, that shuld be clear by now. But what I only mentioned yet, is that there are cases where killing is unavoidable. A case of that kind is if an enemy decides to fight to the death, even if you offered him the choice. In those cases I consider this deathwish as a subcategory of suicide. And I am not against suicide. I think if someone does not want to live after he/she got help offered - for whatever reason - then so her/his wish shall be granted. The freedom to decide your own life is true justice to me. Just to give you a better understanding of my viewpoint.

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KnightofEquulei
KnightofEquulei Dec 5 2013, 6:47pm replied:
Quote:A childish world has no murders, no suffering, no pain and so on. But stories like this News.de are the reason why I think it is the right way. Even if its impossible to reach that goal, it is still the right direction. Is that a childish dream far from reality? You must be insane or utterly bittered or just not matured enough to think otherwise.

You just admitted it's impossible so why go there? It's a childish dream as you yourself just announced, agreeing with me.

Quote:Thats your idea, not mine.

No, that's what happens.

Quote:So you support mob judgement? Like we had those witch hunts or where atheist got killed for devil worshipping ect? That is poor judgement in the moral sense.

Well if that atheist devil worshiper also murdered people, then yes, I would support the mob judgement especially when we have evidence to convict him.

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KnightofEquulei
KnightofEquulei Dec 5 2013, 6:44pm replied:
Quote:You are the one who said that he would sacrifice "a few" innocent citizen to save thousands, not me. And those prison kills are even more rare cases then innocent victims of capital punishment, so we can live with the less bloody choice.

You would let thousands die so you can't talk here and the victims in prison are far more many than the innocent victims of capital punishment not to mention that many commit suicide anyway and die more painful deaths.

Theguardian.com

Hlntv.com

Bjp.rcpsych.org

Looks like I've just debunked your little case of "prison better than anything for everyone" argument. It's good for all murderers until they start killing in their or even taking their own lives. Then you've done nothing but delay a death and one that's more painful.

Quote:But Gods word is justice, right? So why it is off the rails to debate of killing is justified?

Because this doesn't even concern God anymore but your own personal twisted ideals of justice where you think WW2 soldiers are evil monsters for defending their home land.

Quote:Nope, you arent. I already showed you that western societies without death penalty have less murderers than those who do have DP.

See the sources above. You abandon everyone and your precious murderers die in prison anyway.

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KnightofEquulei
KnightofEquulei Dec 5 2013, 6:50pm replied:

*killing in there

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ABJECT_SELF
ABJECT_SELF Apr 10 2013, 3:22am says:

I prefer to think that God is neither good nor evil since he exists above our conceptions of good and evil, which are very earthly concepts. I mean, nature isn't being good when you've got a nice sunny day or evil when a tornado kills 50, it's simply doing what it must to keep the world in balance.

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Ten10dix
Ten10dix May 4 2013, 9:46pm replied:

Indeed, that would be the most logical opinion to have of God. To say that God is good is rather foolish and wishful thinking.

This article kinda misses the whole point. Whatever the Bible says, God is not good. Simple as that.

One example, also apparently covered here, is slavery. You say God doesn't support slavery? The simple fact that slavery exists is proof enough to prove the contrary. If God didn't want Slavery to exist, it wouldn't exist.

And if you say that it came from Humanity, then again, I must say you are mistaken. God created Humans. He knew what they were capable of. He knew Slavery would be a result of Humanity, yet he let did nothing to prevent it nor nothing to change human nature (The Bible didn't stop slavery).

If you say this is because we have free will, well, that just reinforces my point that God is not good. He allows humans to have the free will to take the free will of other humans? Seems far from good, to me.

Just your local Atheist looking around xD.

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Medusa_Zenovka
Medusa_Zenovka May 6 2013, 5:07am replied:

Free will also means your will does not depend on hormones and other brain activities, but our brain works in this very natural way so free will technically does not exist. Chemicals and drugs wouldnt affect our will at all, it would be simply impossible. Freedom to chose what is more likely to what you desire is our current situation since there was life on earth. The will of living beings evolved along with the beings themselves, even that should tell us alot. And even what we belief in is not a matter of choice, but rather a matter of what convinces us to belief what we belief.

Just as simple as that.

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KnightofEquulei
KnightofEquulei Dec 5 2013, 6:48pm replied:
Quote:Free will also means your will does not depend on hormones and other brain activities, but our brain works in this very natural way so free will technically does not exist.

Free-will concerns our ability to make decisions. It's as simple as that.

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KnightofEquulei
KnightofEquulei Dec 5 2013, 6:39pm replied:
Quote:To say that God is good is rather foolish and wishful thinking.

Not really. Did you read the article?

Quote:One example, also apparently covered here, is slavery. You say God doesn't support slavery? The simple fact that slavery exists is proof enough to prove the contrary. If God didn't want Slavery to exist, it wouldn't exist.

What slavery though? The slavery where men and women can enter contracts with rules? That's not the slavery of the medieval era. It still even exists today where you can have servants. The slaves in Israel were paid.

Quote:God created Humans. He knew what they were capable of. He knew Slavery would be a result of Humanity, yet he let did nothing to prevent it nor nothing to change human nature (The Bible didn't stop slavery).

But again, here you go at ignoring the context of the verses. God also spoke against murder but humanity continue with that. God is not to blame there just as he's not to blame for slavery.

Quote:He allows humans to have the free will to take the free will of other humans? Seems far from good, to me.

Ahem:

Exodus 21:16 "Anyone who kidnaps another and either sells him or still has him when he is caught must be put to death."

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