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illicitSoul
illicitSoul - - 6,278 comments

haters gonna hate, lovers gonna love, campers gonna camp... That's just a life bro so just deal with it.

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removethisprofile
removethisprofile - - 431 comments

seems like i have hit a fanboy hard with the facts (showing facts is no trashtalk btw), also there are some parts in the picture where you contradict yourself but i wont go into it further, just take a look again and you might notice.

btw, this is a battlefield fangroup, not a bf2 only fangroup and everyone is allowed to write his opinion, like people dont like bf3/4 etc..

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FoxFort Author
FoxFort - - 1,552 comments

What facts? That is the problem. Why didn't you compared BF 1942 with BF2.

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removethisprofile
removethisprofile - - 431 comments

it is a comparison between bf1942 and bf2. desert combat is just a mod which adds content. i compared DC with bf2 because they have the same modern warfare setting, but DC still runs on 1942 engine. and btw, DC didnt modified 1942 engine, nor did FH2 or PR modified BF2 engine because of the simple fact that it is impossible to modify theyr engines because the engines arent open source, so no mod-team is able to edit the engines (to debunk your claim that PR, FH2, DC etc edited the engines).

now lets get to your question "what facts". the facts i already mentioned:
- bad hitboxes in bf2
- bad ragdoll physics for characters and especially vehicles
- bad effects
- no naval assets / bad support for naval assets
- ranks & unlocks

you dont have to agree that bf2 is worse, ofcourse everyone has its own opinion, you dont have also to agree that these problems exists (which is pretty ignorant, it is like you stay in front of a blue car and deny/do not agree that the car is blue) but denying it is not just utter ignorant, but also fanboyish (also you reaction is pretty fanboyish and childish but i go into it at the bottom of the text).

if you deny the problems or do not agree, then prove it. use fraps or any record programm and show us the above mentioned problems that they do not exist in bf2. i tell you that at this step, you will fail. because there is no way to workaround most of these problems.

- the bad ragdoll/physics: it is pretty easy and everyone noticed it already, that dead bodies get stuck in helicopters or in buildings/objects and go even through them.
as for the vehicles: if you drive around, you will notice that if you drive a hill down, your vehicle is like a Magnet which is attracted to the ground. tanks taking damage from every small hill, same with normal vehicles. big ships (if you played battleship or lions roar mod) are working pretty bad with this ragdoll physic engine. planes and helicopters cant stay on a aircraft carrier. you cant walk on ships and aircraft carriers without taking damage. even the battleship modder agree with that, since he made the test which shows exactly what im talking about: Youtube.com and this cant be modified. this is hardcoded stuff which even PR has no fix for it (since they are working on adding naval assets too, but will mostly have the same result as lions roar mod or battleship)

- the shadows are broken but i think you know it (pixelated shadows), cant be modified. shadows in 1942 doesnt look like modern games but also not as pixelated as bf2 once. for a game which released 2005, i expected better shadows and not still pixelated which are even worse pixelated than 1942 once. in that year, several games were released with better shadows. this is also not fixable (okay, you can disable shadows but this is not a fix).

- some of the effects look like they are from a older or a cartoon/comic game. the best example is the explosion. but the good thing is, that it can be modified.

- about the hitboxes: if a player/bot is on a MG at the civilian jeeps or humvees or a the top of the tank or on a static weapon, try to shoot him, sometimes it happen that even if you stay behind him and you shoot directly at him, that he wont take a single damage and bullets go THROUGH him. this is also impossible to fix. again a bad engine bug.

- rank & unlocks: they are bad because you see what happen when multiplayer gets disabled. now people cant use unlocks in SP, only with a tool but that doesnt work for everyone and battlefield was never designed for unlocks, ranks and stuff and doesnt really add anything to the gameplay. it would be better if they have added kit selection but without unlocking them. this is what battlefield is about, not ranking, leveling and stuff. battlefield 2 was the beginning of a mix between cod & bf.

- shader system is also broken (not to be confused with shadows). JONES mentioned it already when they wanted to add night vision googles to alpha project and these shader issues appears pretty often where you have to clean shadercache then etc when the ground is black or if you shoot then buildings and objects getting black etc.

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removethisprofile
removethisprofile - - 431 comments

PART 2:
- naval combat were taken out. added by mods but doesnt work properly like in the older series. BOTS have also problems using them and submarines have the problem that if you go underwater, you will notice the bad transition between above and underwater and underwater you will notice that the game has no support for underwater warfare. the bad fog and all that stuff underwater looks weird, there isnt also water effects underwater.

these are facts, they exist, no matter how much you love that game, they are there and EA/DICE messed up because 1942/vietnam didnt had these problems. ofcourse naval was missing in vietnam but it was no problem adding them (and they were added by DICE ww2 port) because the engine was a updated 1942 engine which supports naval combat. it is a shame that a modern game like bf2 got worse engine problems than a older title from the same series.

about your reaction: your reaction is pretty much fanboyish and at the same time childish. instead of writing the text you written into the image, you could simply comment that under my picture, but this shows how angry you are and the fact that you debunked NONE of the facts, but only written "comparing DC with bf2 is not cool bro" shows that you have nothing in the hands that could debunk the facts. also it shows that you feel being personally attacked while my picture didnt attacked anybody, not even bf2. your reaction is just childish, it reminds me of childrens who gets angry when you criticize pokemon and then trying to attack you personally. grow up and differs between hating and critism.
also dont turn this group into a flamewar because there are some people who criticize your favorite game and bring facts. if you want to contribute something to the discussion, bring facts and not a childish edited picture like this, where i have written that the game is good, but you wrote there that i claimed the game is bad, which contradicts.

i cant believe what fanboys are out there, who feel being attacked just because someone bring facts, criticize a game and the bring such reactions, trying to insult the guy personally and feel being that his mother has been insulted with facts about a game.

such fanboys should be banned from the internet and grown up, seriously. and i cant believe i wasted my time writing this text to someone who reacted like this and wont understand anything, but deny problems like he is denying that a blue car is blue.

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FoxFort Author
FoxFort - - 1,552 comments

About:
- bad hitboxes in bf2
same as in BF1942/Vietnam, they could have fixed that but they didn't do it, so it's a draw.
- bad ragdoll physics for characters and especially vehicles
That is bad, but mods helps.
- bad effects
WTF do you mean by this, and BF1942/Vietnam had the same effects, orange explosions. Draw.
- no naval assets / bad support for naval assets
I'm not into sea battles so I can't really say, it's about personal preference, and throwing a BF2 overboard because you don't have BF1942 battleships and submarine is plain dumb.
- ranks & unlocks
I have nothing against it, I give it thumbs up. Plus there is a very simple addon that gives you unlocks for offline.

I'll even help you to hate BF2 more,
- Update v1.50 removed Bot commander to use arty.

But the things that you can do with BF2/2142 are far, far more open then in BF1942/Vietnam. BF2 engine is not perfect, it has a lot of limitations, but WTF do you expect from a game engine? To modify it to the extend that it can cook you dinner? The engine is old engine and for year of 2005, IT WAS AN STILL IS A PERFECT BF2 engine.

Why didn't you mentioned that BF2 gave us and made easier: better animations and ability to mod animations, better mesh models(better support for high poly models) and ability to make animation for those mesh. Filters, like e.g. to make FLIR. Ability for wire and laser guided missiles, better weapons damage calculation and above all. EVERYONE can start and mod BF2, but not BF1942. You are a fanboy more then I am, you throw all of this because you don't have ships and submarines. You are comparing complete conversion mod with vanilla based game. If you want to compare, then compare DC with PR or FH2. Then you will see what BF2 engine has brought us all.

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Reiyki
Reiyki - - 925 comments

Just play the games & Keep Modding

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Battlefield 2 has been a more then great platform that gave us FH2 and PR mods. Same as BF1942 gave us DC mod. Even without mods, BF2 is a good game.