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Yuribeard7
Yuribeard7 Feb 21 2013, 6:39am says:

Okay I'm glad that my question was answered peacefully without some raving foaming at the mouth jerk chiming in. I'd like to point out something though in response to Deer's responses. The Quran says to kill anyone who refuses to convert or tries to leave. The Bible says to "shake the dust from your sandals and move on". The Quran also says to lie in order to further "Allah's" agenda. The Bible says lying is a sin and should not be committed. How exactly are they the same again?(rhetorical question)

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rkraptor70
rkraptor70 Feb 21 2013, 3:57pm replied:

Oh really? In where in Q'ran that is said exactly?

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Cervi_Messias
Cervi_Messias Feb 21 2013, 7:49pm replied:

again i doubt yuri has ever read the Quoran (or the bible by the sound of it)

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Spudman619
Spudman619 Feb 21 2013, 4:25pm replied:

He paraphrased.

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ComradeWinston Creator
ComradeWinston Feb 21 2013, 11:29am replied:

I can't be expected to say Islam is not far worse than Christianity at this point. Generally, besides places like Africa, Christianity has been neutered so its nothing too concerning as it is dying of a terminal illness.

However Islam is pretty much only significantly present in nations with the most backwards cultures on the planet, so when they finally get their **** together it'll probably have the same fate as Christianity.

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MattmanDude
MattmanDude Feb 22 2013, 1:47pm replied:

While I normally wouldn't jump in on these conversations.

You say Christianity is dying of a terminal illness. Interesting. Well I just did some checking on the ol' Wikipedia (not the greatest source of information I admit but fast and easy, lol).

As of the early 21st century, Christianity has around 2.3 billion adherents, out of about 7 billion people.

En.wikipedia.org

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ComradeWinston Creator
ComradeWinston Feb 22 2013, 8:58pm replied:

Christianity is trending into the dirt and unless Scientology starts picking up some members it probably wont be replaced. Germany and the UK are abandoning religion at a promising rate and at this rate might well be joining the nations of Scandinavia in being mostly non-religious nations along with other local nation which either are already or are on the same path.

When it comes to the US, the predominantly white portions of the empire(besides the south/midwest) will soon eventually be trending far more towards non-religiosity. Besides just the culture in general my time in High School was very telling of this. About maybe at best 1/3 of the people in my grade were religious in any meaningful way. On the very rare occasions at the mention of religion in class the response was always overwhelmingly negative.

The reason though; education.

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juicytoot
juicytoot Feb 22 2013, 11:15pm replied:

That bible belt of ridiculous christians wont go away.

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Cyborg_Putin
Cyborg_Putin Feb 22 2013, 2:37pm replied:

Oh great, my country is one of the bluest... lol.

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ComradeWinston Creator
ComradeWinston Feb 21 2013, 1:23am says:

Some Shia Muslims in Lilburn, Georgia(yes in the US) were celebrating something called Ashura. They were having a joyful celebration which involved cutting themselves in the streets and probably a number of other family activities.

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rkraptor70
rkraptor70 Feb 21 2013, 4:29pm replied:

I think you are messing up the reenacting of the Battle of Karbala and the suffering and martyrdom of Husayn at the hands of Yazid. Not real cutting is usually involved in that play just fake blood are applied on cloths for the sake of realism.

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Yuribeard7
Yuribeard7 Feb 19 2013, 5:42am says:

Question: Why all these attacks on Christianity instead of Islam? Look at what Islam represents and what their very book says its okay to do. Mohammed said it was required of them to pillage and murder and rape and forcefully convert. These are things they still do now to this day. We of Biblical faiths do not do these things (except for those just using them for their own ends instead of being legit). You claim there is no war against Biblical religions yet all the actions on this page say otherwise. If you feel you must attack religion then why not the one and only religion that demands the deaths of anyone who refuses to convert to Islam and kills anyone who tries to leave also.

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Medusa_Zenovka
Medusa_Zenovka Feb 19 2013, 2:10pm replied:

A side note: Creationists are "omni-present" since every religion has their own illogical, dumb and uneducated folks. So we are not bashing christians alone on that, we are bashing those who believe in this unsupported idea of never considering to be wrong in the believe that your god(s) made everything out of nothing, even himself.

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RighteousFighter
RighteousFighter Feb 19 2013, 12:42pm replied:

As someone who is reading the Quran (9 surahs so far) and is kind of converting to Islam (I'll move to Islam group from here in the near future), I feel like I need to say something:

When did the Quran ever tell to do so? There is no force conversion in Islam, people are free to choose it. Why else would there be significant minorities of other faiths in muslim countries, while the Christians in Europe wiped out the other faiths in one or two centuries? Islam does not teach to carry out an offensive against non-believers either, but it teaches to fight back when attacked. Those who offer and show peace are to be shown peace in return.

As of apostates and such, they indeed would not be seen in a good light (Since when were traitors seen in good light anyway? I know this is a matter of religion and not state, but still.) but it's not my place to sentence them to a punishment. The real punishment to sinners that don't repent comes on the judgement day at the hands of God.

It only makes you look stupid if you pick up single verses from the book out of context, as it only leads to misinterpretation.

So what does Quran suggest to do when confronting people who try to attack Islam? Simply turn away from them and ignore them until they change subject. That's what I am going to go by.

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Cervi_Messias
Cervi_Messias Feb 19 2013, 4:58pm replied:

I agree with Medusa_Zenovka, yes the Quoran has some actual good ideas in it but they still worship the same imaginary god christains do
just because you like some of the ideas of a religion doesnt make it anymore true
I like the force, think the jedi are pretty neat- but it still imaginary and i will never be a jedi :-(.
all evidence points to all religions to being nothing more than fairy tales, and science has shown that religion can even be both physically and pyscholgically unhealthly.

and finally any doctrine now matter how bad will always have alittle good in it, even the things Hitler taught had some good (not much) but some, so even religious texts are bound to have alittle good as well.
remember religion feeda off your emotions just like a drug they offer nothing but good feelings and hollow delusions.

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KnightofEquulei
KnightofEquulei Feb 19 2013, 11:58pm buried:

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"all evidence points to all religions to being nothing more than fairy tales, and science has shown that religion can even be both physically and pyscholgically unhealthly."

All wrong.

(Religion and health) http://www.livescience.com/8675-religion-good-health.html

(8 ways religion impacts health/religious people more happier) http://www.livescience.com/18421-religion-impacts-health.html

(Church-goers live longer) http://www.livescience.com/4017-churchgoers-live-longer.html

Anymore lies you want to spread?

@exalted40000

Good for you. It's good to see an atheist converting to belief in God. Although, I'll have to correct you on the whole "Islam never forcefully converted anyone" thing because it did - just like The Church did in the past. Even now, the Middle East suffers from extremist Islamic groups but most of the Muslims you meet over in the west seem to be sane and kind people just like the awesome sexy Christians.

Sadly some atheists look at the pasts of religions and dismiss them because of the actions of a few. In summary, the bad things done in the name of religion are normally done because these people are evil anyway. Just look at half The Popes in history who were all gold-lovers and lustful. They used religion to their benefit just like politicians use politics to their benefit. Doesn't make these systems evil though.

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Cyborg_Putin
Cyborg_Putin Feb 20 2013, 10:42pm replied:

No, the thing is, is that religion teaches you not question things, not ask things, not research things, be good just because you fear punishment and death, rely on faith instead of evidence and proof, in other words, do and believe things mindlessly just because you were educated that way, how can we progress like this? This is why, at least in my opinion, religion is bad.

"Imagine, sang John Lennon, a world with no religion. Imagine no suicide bombers, no 9/11, no 7/7, no Crusades, no witch-hunts, no Gunpowder Plot, no Kashmir dispute, no Indo/Pakistan partition, no Israel/Palestine wars, no Serb/Croat/Muslim massacres, no Northern Ireland 'troubles'. Imagine no Taliban blowing up ancient statues, lashing women for showing an inch of skin, or publicly beheading blasphemers and apostates. Imagine no persecutions of the Jews - no Jews to persecute indeed, for without religion they would long ago have intermarried with the surrounding populations."

-Richard Dawkins

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Medusa_Zenovka
Medusa_Zenovka Feb 20 2013, 12:44am replied:

Religion and health arguments are two-edged-swords. It can work well in both ways and depends on the case. For example the indoctrination for children by the fear through hell is bad for the childrens health, while the belief in sickness might give you mental strengh to conquer it due to positive brain activities such as elation. But as I said, it depends on the case and even more on the person.

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Medusa_Zenovka
Medusa_Zenovka Feb 19 2013, 2:02pm replied:

Converting to islam and following some good rules of their quran are 2 different things.

Also the islamic god is not more real then the christian ones is, since they are technically the same - both are abrahamic gods as well - and according to my ethic teachers the Bible and the Quran share more than 70% in common. To put it crudely, read the Bible and you read them all (all abrahamic religions at least).

Besides, I dont dislike the Quran. I cannot judge their book at all because I never read it. I just dont like most of those people I met for reason I pointed out already (scroll down a bit).

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Cervi_Messias
Cervi_Messias Feb 19 2013, 1:11pm replied:

your converting??? I suggest you read other holy books beore you decide to jump in with one

I personally think all religion is silly and even if there were gods i would not worship them
but if you feel you need to give into delusion i guess thats your chioce.

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Cervi_Messias
Cervi_Messias Feb 19 2013, 12:40pm replied:

Have you read the Quoran???

The Quoran actually demands that muslims treat others (even nonmuslims) good and saysz that jews, christains and muslims are all brothers in the worship of god
The bible is the book that demands genocide to please god

O and i attack all religion, not just christainty- it is just that i haveno trouble with any of the muslims i know but the christains cant leave me aone.

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KnightofEquulei
KnightofEquulei Feb 19 2013, 11:30pm replied:

"The bible is the book that demands genocide to please god"

Verses please and no cherry-picking because I can do that with the Qur'an and the God Delusion. Hell, I can even cherry-pick from the Origins of Species to make it look like Darwin calls upon God to make evolution true.

Let me guess. You're going to cherry-pick Luke 19:27? Anyone reading the chapter would see it's part of a parable...

Or are you going to cherry-pick a few verses out of context from the Old Testament unaware that the Qur'an teaches the same stories and features the same prophets?

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Cervi_Messias
Cervi_Messias Feb 20 2013, 1:38pm replied:

yes i know eccelisa i have read both books, infact i have read the bible cover to cover ten times

but overall the Quoran was a better book
but they are still both just myths.

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ComradeWinston Creator
ComradeWinston Feb 19 2013, 11:18am replied:

Its not too hard. Islam isn't very relevant to the overwhelming majority of people in the west simply because there aren't exactly a huge number of Muslims around. There are probably hardly anymore Jews wandering around than Muslims and you've probably seen more still against Muslims than Jews.

They're a subject but a foreign one.

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Medusa_Zenovka
Medusa_Zenovka Feb 19 2013, 7:59am replied:

Because most of us are former christians and most barely had something to do with. At least I guess. Well, I have to admit if you attack an othodox moslems faith, the reaction is much different as you attack a christian. Most christians I encountered were ****** and basically said "**** OFF!", if they dont went for a debate instead. But most moslems I met got loud and some even violent. You can see in arabic nations that if we as more "christian" nations in euope dram something about their prophet, they really get ****** and even kill out of rage. Most moslems I met were douches, as well as most christians. There are good guys of course like in all societies, but its hard not to generalize.

Also, we handled the islam time and time again and if we are "attacking" religion in general, like we supposed to do through the latest pic, we also attack islam and judaism as well. To me, all religions should at least back down to the private sector: out of school, out of government and out of law in general. I think even Jesus adviced that, if Im correct.

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Spudman619
Spudman619 Feb 19 2013, 8:22am replied:

Often, the race card gets pulled. Don't look at me like that, it's true.

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Yuribeard7
Yuribeard7 Feb 21 2013, 6:33am replied:

So, you are afraid of a bigoted concept designed to cause feelings of guilt? Screw the race card. Facts are facts regardless of race.

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Medusa_Zenovka
Medusa_Zenovka Feb 19 2013, 8:51am replied:

Yep, forgot to mention that. I dont bother that either since I just answer those arguments with the facepalm-card.

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