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ElfFriend
ElfFriend Jul 23 2012 says:

By use of observation, logic, thought, and most importantly SCIENCE which is actually the study of things through Observation and Experiment; prove to me that evelution happened and that random chaos make order. (things you need: an explosive devise. So what to do: throw/ignite the explosive device on a pile of rocks. And see if it somehow makes a house. (good luck!!)

Also prove to me what the big bang came from, where the energy came from, and why it exploded. There's much more questions I have for all you ginus scientists. And if you give me an exceptionally good and flawless answer I'm ready to believe that evelution actually happened!

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Ten10dix
Ten10dix Jul 23 2012 replied:

Prove to me that God exsists. Here is what you need:

A Church
Loads of people.

Get them to pray that a giant rabbit appears in front of them bearing carrots and onions as gifts from God. Wait. Wait a little longer. See if any rabbit comes at all, let alone giant bearing gifts.

Now, with the use of observation, logic, thought and most importantly SCIENCE (which is actually the study of Observation and Experiment) prove to me that a dude that lived 2,000 years ago managed to walk on water, come back from the dead, part the Red Sea (was that him? Can't remember...) and turn water into wine (this is just to name a few).

Also prove to me, through observation, logic, through and of course, SCIENCE, that God exsists. The link I posted below uses LOGIC and COMMON SENSE to prove otherwise.

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ElfFriend
ElfFriend Jul 23 2012 replied:

You came nowhere near answering my questions. But I understand your point. So actually if you want any kind of evidence that I have gathered on the subject of if God exists, then check my flood evidence on the Christian group page. I know it's a ton to read but it uses today's examples and explains that a catastrophic flood could have destroyed the world. Also God is not bound by any of the things that he created. "in the beginning God created, the hevean and the earth." so the very first verse of the Bible has a direct reference to time, a direct refence to space, and a direct reference to matter. Also all those things were created by God so he is 'above' all of them. Basicaly God sees 2000BC and 2000AC at the same time. Time is for us for now, but once Jesus comes again then those that have accepted him for who he is, will have the ability of having eternal life. By the way I have had many instances where I prayed to God and he answered my prays. But honestly if you can't prove you religions beginning and I can't prove my religions beginning; then who's right? Well both of us use faith to answer the very beginning problems. However I truelly believe that God is exacly what the Bible teaches, but I'm very well aware that you believe that what evelution teaches. Also could you tell me how your religion answers the 4 big questions of life?

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Ten10dix
Ten10dix Jul 23 2012 replied:

Firstly: "in the beginning God created, the hevean and the earth." I see no reference to Time, Space nor Matter in that sentance.

Secondly: I have no Religion, which is why I am an Atheist.

Thirdly: Depends on what you pray for. If I pray that tommorow the Sun stays out all day, and it does, how do you know it was not simply chance that it stayed out? Or praying that you ace a test and you ace it? There is no proof at all that "God" is behind it.

Fourthly: I don't want to answer the "Four big questions of life". And I certainly do not have to invent answers, or believe in made up ones, to be content in life.

Fifely: I don't see how evidence of a flood proves God exsists. If a flood like the one described by the Bible truly did happen, we would all be dead (Seriously? Two of each animal? The boat required to fit, and feed, that amount of beings would of had to be huge, and the population of Earth would not have been able to grow so high if that had been the case).

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ElfFriend
ElfFriend Jul 23 2012 replied:

So as always its up to me to explain why I said what I said, so in "in the beginning (beginning of TIME) God created (reference to the creator) the hevean(space) and the earth (matter) that's what I meant. Next I have had events happen that you would have called chance but really the odds of an event to happen so precisely is very unlikely. I know people that have had incredible miricurals happen to them, (and their NOT the sort of people that would lie) once it was raining super loud and I could not sleep with such a loud sound, so I asked God to calm the storm down and He did, it continued to rain but it became nearly a whisper, while about 2-5 mins ago it was super loud. Now proof that there was a flood like the bible states there was means that the bible is right and proving it that it is infact the work of God.

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ElfFriend
ElfFriend Jul 23 2012 replied:

(the bible has had so many scientific facts in it: ie. blood is life. The world is round. The oceanside had valleys in them. Blood and fat are forbiden to eat (God was concerned with our health since its proven that eating fat is unhealthy) there's mention of iron and bronze works before the flood so humans are intelligent beings. It's implied that the atmosphere before the flood was much different, (rainbows were probably only after the flood) also grape juice did not ferment before the flood since Noah would not have chosen to get drunk. Now in terms of the big questions of life your religion fails at answering them, 1. Where did we come from? Evolutionists-cosmic dust/nothing Christians-God made hand made us from the dirt which he made from nothing) 2. Why are we here? Evolutionists-no reason, just party/improve science. Christians-to bring glory to God/help each other/prosper. 4. How do I choose what is right and what is wrong? Evolutionists-I deiscide what is right and wrong(this causes problems if two people opinions contradict. Or is it might is right) Christians-God gave us a set of rules that we should follow to live a good life. 5. What is truth? Evolutionists-there is no truth.  Christians-Jesus is he way the TRUTH and the life. 6. What will happen when I die? Evulutionists-nothing you get decomposed. Christians-the body get decomposed but our spirits will be with God always, and we also get a new body when this hevean and earth pass away(this world will eventually die) lastly what is our value? Evolutionists-we are the equivalent value of a rock. Christians-since God made us he cares for us and he loves us.(while we were still sinners Christ died for us) so we have value every single human being is valuable.  sorry for any errors and please correct me in anything that I got wrong. (Sorry for exceeding 2000characters)

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Ten10dix
Ten10dix Jul 24 2012 replied:

Time is a concept humans have pretty much always been aware of, especially Day and Night. Therefore the Bible mentionning it is not unexpected. Then Space, well, all you have to do is look up. They called that the Heavens. Easy. And as for Earth, well it is what we live on. Any person who stops and observes can figure that out.

As for the Scientific Facts in the Bible, through observation each fact can be confirmed by Humans and not God. The world is flat, for example, can be guessed by simply looking at the horizon. If it were flat, we would be able to pretty much see everything with one look. Logic thus dictates the Earth would probably be round, and later Science proves it.

As for the questions, this is very easily explained: People want to think they have a purpose in life. People want to think they mean something. In reality, they don't. No one has any purpose in life. Life could not care less if you slaughtered millions. It could not care less if you killed yourself. It could not care less if the entire human race was destroyed in an instance. IT DOES NOT CARE! We, however, care. Therefore we lie to ourself to make us feel better, to make us feel we have a purpose becase, lets be honest, everyone likes feeling wanted.

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Ten10dix
Ten10dix Jul 24 2012 replied:

Also, on those question, can I just note:
1) "God made hand made us from the dirt which he made from nothing" --> Funnily enough, loads of Religious people argue constantly that nothing comes from nothing.

2) Just because some people believe we do not have a purpose in life, that does not, and I insist on this point NOT mean we do not help each other OR prosper. I, for example, believe I have no purpose at all but that does not stop me from helping others or prospering. To say that only Religious people help others and prosper is stupid.

3) Erm... Well... You kinda forgot three xD.

4) No. No! NO! I do not decide what is right and what is wrong. What you are saying there is idiotic. Just because I am not religious does not mean I do not have moral standards.

5) Wrong again. We do, in fact, believe in the Truth. In fact, it is one of our driving points: We doubt everything so that we may find the Truth. If something has no evidence or plausibility (like Religion) we do not think it is true. In fact, we search for the Truth more then Religious people, who prefer reading the Bible and praying (Generally speaking).

6) If you live after death, then death has no meaning and thus does not exsist. Plus, if all Religious People believe so hard that when they die they go to Heaven, please, jump from a 30 storey building and go to a better place. Earth is pretty much hell anyway, so it should be quite refreshing. No? Hmm, so much for Faith >.<.

7) This utterly depends on what sort of value you are talking about. Value in the eyes of the Universe? Then you got it spot on. Value to others and ourself? Completly different.

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ElfFriend
ElfFriend Jul 24 2012 replied:

Okay thanks for correcting me, and forgive me for my horrible mistakes I was just trying to put myself in your shoes. But where did your moral standards come from? Please answer this. And also how in the world can chaos make order? Just look at how organized the laws are. Also what universe model do you believe in? And where did the matter for the big bang come from? Where did the matter for it come from? And lastly why is there a ton of nothing and then a galaxy and then more nothing and another galaxy? Shouldn't it have been equally distributed from the explosion? And in you opinion why do you think that dinosaurs went extinct? Lastly show me something that proves that man came from and monkey.

Finally since God made me he would not want me to throw my life away.

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Ten10dix
Ten10dix Jul 24 2012 replied:

Moral Standards: My moral standards pretty much came from myself and my family (non religious). No Religion influenced my upbrining at all (well... I ignored it. I went to a catholic school, but they were far too illogical for me to believe them, or the Bible).

Chaos and Order are human terms. The Universe has no Chaos nor Order. Therefore those terms can't be used for explaining how the Universe is, since they are man made.

Where did God come from? If, like most say, "Eternal" then why is it so ahrd to believe something so much more simpler? Like maybe the matter that made the big bang go bang was eternal?

Oh, so you believe in Dinosaurs? I thought the Bible refused to believe Dinosaurs exsist lol. On account of Earth only being 6,000 years old (lol).
Anyway, I don't have an opinion on how they died out. No one was there, no real, solid evidence, so I just put it down to this: Either they couldn't adapt to the evolving world or a natural disaster helped wipe them out.

Show me something that proves man came from dirt. We are closer to Monkeys than dirt. Lol.

Then how do you explain suicide? If God does not want you to die, why did he allow you to live? Plus, you won't throw your life away. You'd be going up (or down, or sideways lol) to Heaven! To be with God! That isn't throwing your life away, right?

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ElfFriend
ElfFriend Jul 24 2012 replied:

Okay, so an eternal universe breaks the 2 law of thermodynamics. And yes dinosaurs have existed, there's a description of two such creatures in the book of Job. As for the age of the earth, I got my reasons for the earth to be about 6000 years, (I'll look into it for you if you want) As for dinosaurs going extinct: my theory is that they died out durring or shortly after the flood, the very atmosphere could have been much different from what it is now. So you are probably right they either died in a disaster or they died because they could not adapt. Now for man being made from dirt, well God hand made us and breathed the breath of life into us. Funny that Satan had a very similar veiw of jumping of a building. He tempted Jesus to jump of a building saying that God will send angles to stop him from dieing. But Jesus answered "do not test the lord your God" but really suicide rates have gone up since the time that evolution has began beig taught.

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TheTriangulum
TheTriangulum Jul 25 2012 replied:

NO THE EARTH IS NOT 6000 years old. IT IS MAN'S REIGN OF EARTH which last for 6000 years!!!

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ElfFriend
ElfFriend Jul 25 2012 replied:

Please read you bible more. There's an entire genology line of both Jesus' mother and step father, with about 77 generations. So they could fit in a 4000 year span. But you'd have problems with anything above 10000. Also Jesus himself said 'But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.' (Mark 10:6 KJV) so humans were made in the beginning. There's a lot more verses hinting the age of the earth.

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TheTriangulum
TheTriangulum Jul 25 2012 replied:

That does not at all give the implication of the actual earth being 6000' years old, but only MAN'S existence. Your information is invalid, because it was attained by adding up all the ages of people from adam and eve up. And provides NO evidence for the 6000 yrs age. Genesis gives no timeline, someone like you should understand this by now. Obviously, the Hebrew language would have no word for the ages in which God's Process of creation lasted. And henceforth represented as days for God which to us could be eons for us. God Transcends Matter, Time, Space, and Energy. The bible is not a maths book, adding up years give no representation to the age of the Earth.

CONCLUSION

The bible does not say the age of the Earth, it was deduced by mathematicians of that era. Speculative, completely speculative. The chronology of Genesis does not give us an account or how old Earth is. And I am NOT going to add things To the Bible and assume the age of the Earth.

As cited in the Bible is not a book of speculation. It is the key to wisdom, understanding, it is the key for entering Jesus' relationship.

Bible never said a word about the age of earth. It is some scholars who predicted based on own judgments and interpretations.

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ElfFriend
ElfFriend Jul 25 2012 replied:

Your theory is a compromise between evolution and the bible. Also your theory forces God to be a liar. 'For by man death entered the world' so your theory would have death before sin, which is wrong.

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TheTriangulum
TheTriangulum Jul 25 2012 replied:

Here is your precious Godandscience website you always refer to and what they think of this.

Godandscience.org

Thanks a lot for accusing me of calling God a liar. I feel great now >:(

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ElfFriend
ElfFriend Jul 25 2012 replied:

Sorry, and you point out good points. But "And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so. And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day." (Genesis 1:29-31 KJV) clearly states that every living organism was eating plants. Also how would have Noah gotten carnivores on the ark?

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TheTriangulum
TheTriangulum Jul 25 2012 replied:

I do not believe in evolution the at the slightest. And what I said is not a theory either. YOUR Implications are theories. Extract a verse that says the Earth is 6000 years old and I will take everything back.
Otherwise they are theories, by turning a book about peace and love into a mathematics book???
I do not care how old the Earth is, because to me that is not what the Holy Book is about.
Again the bible is not a book of interpretations and speculation, because I can tell what you are telling me are from articles. Because I already scoured the Internet about young earth creationsism. And they just turn the Bible into a maths book.

This silly topic is what causes Christianity to break and shatter into different sects. To cause confusion amongst everyone. As prophesized.
I Do not care if the earth is 1000 yrs old or 6000 yrs old or 10000099990000 yrs old.

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ElfFriend
ElfFriend Jul 25 2012 replied:

I agree that this is irrelevant to God's love for us. However, it's important to understand that by using the bible as a light on the past a lot of things can be uncovered.

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TheTriangulum
TheTriangulum Jul 25 2012 replied:

Of course! But don't let yourself fall to sway to every piece of doctrine you find. Because you are falling back on yourself frequently, saying different things, which gives the impression that you have not found your answer yet and you are confused. I was like this once. But now I am sure what I know is correct.

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Ten10dix
Ten10dix Jul 24 2012 replied:

And your "God being eternal" breaks all the laws of Logic and Common Sense. xD.

Earth is not 6,000 years old... *sighs*. Present your reasons, if you want, and I'll tell you whats wrong with them lol.

I rather doubt a flood killed them. If I remember correctly, a hundred thousand years or two seperate humans from dinosaurs. So if Noahs flood did indeed happen (which I really, whole heartedly doubt) it didn't kill the dinosaurs.

So... God made us from dirt... And breathed life into us...? And how is that more logical then Evolution? What you're saying is God picked up some dirt, blew on it and we're created. Meh, seems rather unlikely to me.

Who knows? Maybe I'm an agent of Satan come here to convince you to give me your soul? JUMP! xD.

Yeah well, mass slaughters and crusades have gone down since its being taught. I'd think thats a plus side.

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ElfFriend
ElfFriend Jul 24 2012 replied:

God shaped our bodies from the dirt, and breathed the breath of life into us. and there's evidence for a worldwide flood: http://www.moddb.com/groups/christians-of-moddb/news/genesis-flood also like KnightofEcclesia said, mass slaughters have not gone down. they would only go down if people could love one another as themselves. modern science proves God, (I reticently posted a new article about that and it awaiting authorization) also since God made everything, he also made dinosaurs alongside humans, otherwise the description in Job would have issues.

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TheTriangulum
TheTriangulum Jul 25 2012 replied:

God made the animals before humans mate, so how can dinosaurs be created along side us????

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ElfFriend
ElfFriend Jul 25 2012 replied:

But they lived at the same time as us, except they were created a few days before us.

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Sarge_Rho
Sarge_Rho Jul 25 2012 replied:

There was no worldwide flood, ever. Sedimentary layers directly prove that NO global flood ever happened.

Science can't prove or disprove god. Science has to ignore the supernatural, and only use naturalistic means to describe the world, thus any god is outside of science.

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ElfFriend
ElfFriend Jul 25 2012 replied:

Umm no sediment layers don't disprove a flood. And science is given from God. Science PROVES God.

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KnightofEquulei
KnightofEquulei Jul 24 2012 replied:

God being eternal doesn't break all laws of logic and common sense. If God existed before the creation of the universe then he existed before time and space (which we know were created with the universe because space and time are relative). Therefore God would be eternal. We've been through this before Tenny and you still haven't given me an answer to my comment to you in the article I wrote about God and time. It's been several months and I'm still waiting for that comment and article to be debunked by you.

Abiogenesis (the steps that happened before evolution according to scientists) actually states that chemicals or chemicals in mud eventually produced organic life (bacteria) which is then when evolution occurred. That makes even less sense than God creating us from dirt and further more, Abiogenesis has zero evidence and scientists still have no idea how chemicals could come "alive" in the first place. Abiogenesis is much like evolution in that it is unobserved and has zero physical evidence.

"Yeah well, mass slaughters and crusades have gone down since its being taught. I'd think thats a plus side."

Really? Last time I checked, Syria and The Middle East were in chaos due to a secular political war about land and oil and some crazy loon shot dozens of people dead over in America. That's not the worst of it. Over in places like Korea and some African countries, Christians are persecuted and even murdered.

You know where to find me when you finally find that evidence for evolution, abiogensis and atheism...

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Ten10dix
Ten10dix Jul 25 2012 replied:

Sorry Knight, I refuse to debate with you. You calling me "Tenny" is just far to snobby for me to even hint at debating with you. Go back to Church, learn some manners (might want to take some tips from your Christian friends, especially Elf, I like debating with him) then come back to me. I just really can't be bothered to talk with you >.<.

Anyway, I agree with Helge. Science ignores the supernatural, like faries and elves and all that kind of stuff (which have no evidence other then in legends, pretty much like Religion) and stay to the solid facts.

As for the slaughters, you think it was better in the Dark Ages? Rofl, we have made a big improvment if we compare the Dark Ages to now. And I said they have gone DOWN, not dissapeared.

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TheTriangulum
TheTriangulum Jul 25 2012 replied:

The dark ages was due to the catholic church's power over politics and it's concealment of the bible from the public. It is NOT because of Christianity. I am really sick of this stigma against christianity and us being blamed for the acts of the mystery Babylon church, who manipulated many things in the Bible and spread false doctrine everywhere. Only now they are being exposed as prophesized in the book of Daniel.

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ElfFriend
ElfFriend Jul 25 2012 replied:

Just because my name is ElfFriend doesn't mean I believe that stuff. It's just something for an amazing Lord of the Rings mod (MERP)

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Ten10dix
Ten10dix Jul 25 2012 replied:

Apologies for my comment. Its been a bad day, and I was frustrated. I cannot stand people talking down to me, and to be honest you calling my "Tenny" and your remarks about me not replying to one of your comments (I don't really know what you mena, but meh)... Pushed me over the edge? Guess you could say that. Again, I apologise.

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TheTriangulum
TheTriangulum Jul 23 2012 replied:

sry accidental post

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