<!-- start content -->50 reasons why I (a creationist) reject evolution
1.) Because I don’t like the idea that we came from apes… despite that humans are categorically defined and classified as apes.
2.) Because I’m too stupid and/or lazy to open a fucking book or turn on the Discovery Science Channel.
3.) Because if I can’t immediately understand how something works, then it must be bullshit.
4.) Because I don’t care that literally 99.9% of all biologists accept evolution as the unifying theory of biology.
5.) Because I prefer the idea that a (insert god of choice) went ALLA-KADABRA-ZAM MOTHAH-FUCKAHS!!!
6.) Because I can’t get it through my thick logic-proof skull that evolution refers ONLY to the process of speciation, not to abiogenesis, or planet formation, or big bang cosmology, or whether God exists, or where they buried Jimmy Hoffa, or why the sky is blue, or how many licks it takes to get to the center of a fucking Tootsie Pop.
7.) Because the fossil record doesn’t comprise the remains of every single living thing that ever existed on this 4.5 billion year old planet, even though fossilization is a rare process that only occurs under very specific circumstances.
8.) Because science has yet to produce any transitional species… except for the magnitudinous numbers of them found in the fossil record which don’t count because… I uh, OOH LOOK! A SHINY OBJECT!!! *runs away*
9.) Because I know nothing about Darwin except that he had a funny beard.
10.) Because the theory of evolution (which, according to scientists, perfectly explains the richness and diversity of life on Earth) contradicts biblical literalism… ya know, flat Earth with a firmament that keeps out the water, talking snakes, people rising from the dead, bats are birds, flamey talking bushes, virgin births, food appearing out of nowhere, massive bodies of water turning into blood… etc etc.
11.) Because I think the word “theory” actually means: “random stabs in the dark” when it really means: "an explanation of certain phenomena that is well-supported by a large body of facts and often unifies other similarly well-supported hypotheses" i.e. atomic theory, gravitational theory, germ theory, cell theory, some-people-are-dumb-motherfuckers-theory, etc.
12.) Because the fact that science is self-correcting annoys me. Most of my other beliefs are rigidly fixed and uncorrectable.
13.) Because I am under the severely mistaken impression that evolution implies someone in my very recent ancestry was a chimp.
14.) Because everything appears designed to my mind which was expertly tuned by nature to perceive design, probably as a survival mechanism.
15.) Because some secretly fabulous closet-dwelling televangelist (who unironically preaches hate towards gays) told me that evolution is Satan’s way of leading me away from God.
16.) Because that same guy (who was also caught snorting blow off a male hooker’s shiny naked ass) told me that God planted those fossils to test my faith.
17.) Because I’m 100% correct about everything 100% of the time and there is 0% chance that some snooty Oxford educated scientist with numerous honorary doctorates could possibly know something that I don’t.
18.) Because I don’t know that fossils are found in sedimentary strata corresponding to their age as one would expect if evolution were true.
19.) Because I don’t understand why, if we share common ancestry with chimps, there are still chimps. And when someone with more than three brain cells in their head inevitably replies: “for the same reason Americans share common ancestry with Brits but there are still Brits, I can’t follow the logic. It’s just too big a leap. Who am I, Evil Knievel?
20.) Because my mom dropped me on my head when I was a baby.
21.) Multiple times.
22.) On purpose.
23.) Because the idea that life evolved naturally over billions of years is infinitely less believable than the idea that an 800 year old man crammed two of every species into a giant wooden boat when the entire planet flooded, an event for which there is absolutely no geological evidence whatsoever and also makes no fucking sense at all.
24.) Because Jesus totally rode around on a fucking t-rex. He’s just that badassed. And also, did you know that t-rexes were vegetarians? Ken Ham says so and I believe it.
25.) Because I don’t realize that saying “microevolution is possible but macroevolution isn’t” is as stupid as saying “I can pick my nose for one second but I cannot pick it for 10 seconds.”
26.) Because the education system failed me miserably.
27.) …and then took a big wet dump on my face.
28.) Because I think that knowing how nature works magically obliterates all of its beauty.
29.) Because I didn’t know that evolution has been tested and observed in laboratories.
30.) Because when confronted with that, I refuse to believe it. It’s obviously a scientific conspiracy aimed at turning everyone on the planet into atheists... even though evolution says nothing about god's nature nor whether he, she, it, or they exist.
31.) Because I’m too stupid to realize that Social Darwinism has nothing to do with evolution and is actually a pseudo-scientific bastardization that real science largely rejects.
32.) Because the planet and all the life on it was designed for humans… kinda like how the Metropolitan Museum of Art in NY was designed specifically for the dust-bunnies that may accumulate on the floors.
33.) Because I don’t realize that if we actually found croco-ducks in the fossil record, it would falsify evolution.
34.) Because plenty of respectable people like Ron Paul, Mitt Romney, and Mike Huckabee (who are not scientists) don’t accept evolution, and that somehow validates my opinion.
35.) Because my mother didn’t know not to drink while she was pregnant. She also didn’t know not to repeatedly throw herself down a flight of stairs in an attempt to undo the accident of screwing someone who voted for Bush both times.
36.) Because I don’t know that “irreducible complexity” has been debunked a frazillion times by a frazillion different people and is no more credible an argument than “NEEN-er NEEN-er NEEN-er, I’m right and you’re wrong.”
37.) Because I have never seen a duck evolve into a cat over night, despite the fact that such a thing would be contrary to all known scientific disciplines.
38.) Because I have no imagination, learning is too much effort, I don’t like proven facts, change scares me, and I think deoxyribonucleic acid is something I’m supposed to clean my bathroom floors with.
39.) Because evolution means that I absolutely MUST reject everything else I know, abandon all my beliefs, and start aping around my house like a fucking monkey. OOOh-ooohh-ooohohh -OOOOOOHHHHHH!!!!!
40.) Because I haven’t put my cave on the market and moved into the 21st century yet. I’m waiting for the cave market to rebound from the recent financial meltdown.
41.) Because I don’t know what an atavism is and if you told me, I still wouldn't believe it. Too weird.
42.) Because I don’t know that evolution explains methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus and also provides the answer in preventing it from turning into a superbug and killing massive numbers of people.
43.) Because I don’t know that evolution is routinely used in medicine to diagnose and treat certain illnesses such as genetic ailments, bacterial infections, and viral infections.
44.) Because I believe there is a strong comparison between designed inanimate objects such as buildings, paintings, and watches (which we know were pieced together from identifiable components by human beings) and living organisms (which reproduce with genetic variation under the effects of environmental attrition).
45.) Because I see no significant similarities between humans and apes. *scratches my ass-crack then smells my fingers*
46.) Because I think I’m too special to have been crafted by any natural process and the entire planet, solar system, galaxy, and universe were created with me especially in mind.
47.) Because I unquestioningly swallow the ignorant anti-science bullshit spewed directly from the fraudulent stupid asses of people like Ken Ham, Ted Haggard, Fred Phelps, and Kent Hovind.
48.) Because I’m a freethinker and freethinking really means ignoring anything that contradicts what I already believe.
49.) Because I don’t know what confirmation bias is.
50.) Because despite the fact that in all my years of life, I have never seen any magic, I still believe magic is the answer to anything I don’t immediately comprehend.
Ladies and gentlemen, I rest my case. Quod erat demonstrandum, I fucking win. Take that you EVILutionists!
Source: Bobbie Jean Pentecost (think this is orignal author not sure though)
thats a lot of reading....i'll read it all, just im forced to go outside:( oh well i'll have to get my sketch book:) anyways i read point four and just because a bunch of people say its right doesnt make it right, a lot of people were against the idea of God in the days of Noah, and the flood came and took them all away. also a lot of people though a big rock fell faster then a small rock, but they fall at the same speed. a lot of people though bleeding someone to death would heal them, but the bible clearly pointed out that the life of the flesh is in the blood. a lot of people though the earth was flat, but its not. you see majority isnt always right, Hitler was elected by the majority.
The only credible thing you brought up was that the majority isn't always right. Religious people are the majority...and the majority of them believe in some form of creationism and reject evolution.
Other than that, you just completely managed to ignore virtually every point he made.
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I said I'll read it later!
ken ham and other scientists ARE scientists, not airhead whack**** with a IQ of 75.
quit trying to shove this in our faces.
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It should be noted that these are Biologists you are talking about as well. These aren't some uneducated slobs like you, they actually went to school for a long period of time to study this (not to mention they worked in the field). It's safe to say that they are informed on their opinion... If they're informed on the subject then their opinions matter, equating science to democracy is incorrect because science is independent of what people WANT.
It isn't just opinions Admiral, it's outright supported by the evidence. All they do is follow and record the evidence gathered to support a theory. The theories they throw up get demolished by other scientists if a problem is found, and then the theory must be modified.
Evolution has been modified to fit the evidence and so has Abiogenesis and the BBT. I think it's safe to say many years from now we will have learned much more in all those fields (especially Abiogenesis).
What about majority? The majority of America seems to be christian, so tell me something I don't know.
xxT65xx , Since when quantity means quality?? heheheh
Lol. Amusing to read, and I agree on your overall point that Religious people useally ignore anything that contradicts their beliefs.
However, maybe you could present it more... Nicely? xD.
I'm sure most people would see this as very offensive. I understand your frustration at the arrogance and ignorance of Religion, and understand that sometimes being polite is very annoying when you just want to shout at people (I've done the same myself... xD) however presenting it more politley may avoid the imminent rage war that shall happen any moment now...
its not actually mine, for some reason the source didnt save with the post,
actual source is Bobbie Jean Pentecost, I don't have anymore info than that
Oh, then ignore what I said. We can now blame it on the unknown source and say you uploaded it by accident.
It was Gods will! I swear! xD.
wow
we do NOT ignore any thing that contradicts our beliefs,
we study it, and than we disprove it
I wish those bat sh*t crazy muslim freaks would blow you people up. im tired of disproving all the evolutionists, just accept it. GOD IS REAL ((see what I did there?))
Yeah I agree with ten. I really don't like being around religious nutties (like Osama was, who even made a YouTube video after 9-11 admitting he did it, only a real lunatic would do that). I especially dislike those Christians that are too self-righteous (ya know, like the ones that say say you're going to hell for wearing a shirt with things like skulls on them (which actually happened to me before)). Now I do not deny the fact that evolution could exist, but like the article was mentioned it was not about whether not god exists, its about how organisms change gradually over a long period of time.
I guess the truth is I'm just a wanderer in the universe.
20.) Because my mom dropped me on my head when I was a baby.
21.) Multiple times.
22.) On purpose.
I LOVE YOU.MARRY ME.
Elf: The majority of people on planet Earth believe in a form of deity or something supernatural.
Indeed, everyone "believed", or was forced to believe, that Religion and God were real.
And you are completly and utterly right. Just because the majority believes in something, doesn't mean it exsists. Many young children, for example, believe in Santa. And the Tooth Fairy. And the Easter Bunny. No real proof of their exsistance, nothing to suggest they exsist. But hey! You were told they exsist by your mum and dad, and read about Santa and the rest of the gang in books! Ha! They *must* be real then. Right?
You don't seem like a creationist *suspicious face*
On a more serious note, you sir deserve a chocolate chip cookie. That article made me crack up XD
Because everything I can see around me is just a test of my faith. And you are wrong, but God made you believe it. Now is it my turn to get my truth into your head. Salvation awaits you. And maybe you can spare some money for this great service? xD
45th... From all those things we have in common with apes, why this one? xD
"4.) Because I don’t care that literally 99.9% of all biologists accept evolution as the unifying theory of biology."
*facepalm*. Americandaily.com
"8.) Because science has yet to produce any transitional species… except for the magnitudinous numbers of them found in the fossil record which don’t count because… I uh, OOH LOOK! A SHINY OBJECT!!! *runs away*"
Creation.com
"9.) Because I know nothing about Darwin except that he had a funny beard."
Icr.org
"25.) Because I don’t realize that saying “microevolution is possible but macroevolution isn’t” is as stupid as saying “I can pick my nose for one second but I cannot pick it for 10 seconds.”"
Gotquestions.org
Oh, there's another thing you should have added to the list:
"51.) Because I know that the theory of evolution defies the laws of thermodynamics."
Trueorigin.org
Great my work's half done!! (more like mostly done)
Anyways:
16. Ever considered the flood?
23. One there was one of each KIND not species! Second, Noah took slightly less mature creatures, instead of the biggest he could find. Lastly, Noah's measurements COULD have been slightly larger.
24. Job 41 (I think) discribes dinosaurs, and from reading genesis 1, and 6(i think) I came to the conclusion that animals were not afraid of humans before the flood, that everyone and everything ate plants before the flood. Otherwise feeding all the animals would have been extremely difficult.
29. Claiming anything without some sort of sorce is...MEANINGLESS!!
38. I learned what DNA stands for in grade 6. You could have altered it enough to make it a bit kinder you know;)
50.Yeah keep trying to answer things that are IMPOSSIBLE to be explained by random chance. I have had many instances where I litterly, see God performing miracles. I am evidence of a miracle, I would have died had it not been for God's power. Oh well you probably don't want to hear my life's story. Also how can you explain the fact that the cures God gave to the Israelites, actually work? (random chance?)
Ever considered Bible as story, not historical document? Also most of fossils are far older than your Flood.
Claiming something without source is as meaningless as those links, pages written by same people knowing nothing about science. On the other hand, there were given some Nobel Prices in this field, one would presume that such well educated person as you are would know about that.
Yes I have actually though, "what if the bible is false?" however, I remembered all that God has done in my life so far and though, I rather beleive God:D also the evidence seems to point towards God:) anyways what dating method was used for dating those fossils? I explained the issues of dating anything in a past comment, it's nearly 5am so I'm extremely tired:( last point I watched a video about the magnetic field, excelent video!! Youtube.com (I hope the link works, I was having issues before)
It is long, so I randomly choose 5 times and listen what they were talking about. In all cases it is either complete ********, or idea similar to "Achilles can never outrun turtle".
Except randomly picking mins out of a 26 min video, ruins any chance of understanding the context.
You can convince yourself a ******* unicorn worked miracles into your life if you got yourself so depressed to believe it. You'd be surprised what the human mind is capable of.
I though I already saw the most illogical belief system? Something coming from nothing without any cause or purpose is the most illogical belief I have ever heard of.
*cough* That's not our belief, that's yours. A magical being poofing into existence, creates everything we know from nothing, and then turns around to create humans from dirt, women from man's rib, etc.
Not to mention in the next scene a serpent convinces the women to eat the fruit and destroy humanity's chances of a perfect life. There was no setup plan. You must wonder what God would've done if they didn't eat from the tree.
It's a fairy tale, and like I said, you can convince yourself to believe it. Just like how you can deny scientific fact that disproves **** like that from happening!
Our stance is that we don't know if a God exists or how the universe came to be. All we know are the facts of our given reality and try to use them to decipher the secrets of the universe. That's it.
First God being the creator and a spirit, is not limited to the laws which he created just like a game maker isnt stuck in their game when they complete it. Second I don't know why everything turned out like that. Might have been that adam and eve lived some time in the garden before they fell. Lastly, truth cannot be known without God's word. It's like dismissing all ancient text about a group of people yet wondering what the artifacts are. I like both God and science. Science was created by God. I posted a video about the magnetic field on my profile, it was most interesting. (you should check it out:D)
Again, you slip around the basic concept. A God coming from nothing has the same goddamn chance as the universe coming from nothing. Secondly, a lot of Christians like to fill the Bible with all their ******** on what they think it means. "God planned the downfall of humanity all along" even though it says nowhere in the Bible about it being planned from the beginning or even hinted.
They try to make sense to something that cannot be made sense of. Another example of this would be an evolutionist Christian who believes in everything past the OT accounts but ultimately ignores the OT accounts. The NT follows the OT; if the OT is not perceived to be true, ultimately the NT isn't true either.
There is no fall of man, so what are they being saved from when Jesus comes around? Nothing. Therefore the only real options are creationism or evolution without the 'book Gods'. Creationism is magical thinking, while evolution is restricted to the bounds of what we can prove exists.
At this point, evolution remains dominant because it is the only side that can prove itself.
Christianity can prove itself just as much as evolution. Both are worldveiws, and both take faith. If the fall of man didn't happen then we would all be living happily, ignorant of good and evil, and constantly in the presence of God. Also the story could NOT be made up, because if it was made up I am sure for more believable purposes, the writers/story tellers would have kept the part where Adam and Eve knew no right and wrong, out of the story.
Einstein wasn't biologist. And theory of evolution does not deny thermodynamics at all - read point six again and more carefully. Then you will maybe talk about beginning of universe, but big bang also does not deny thermodynamic laws at all.
On your link to point 25 is this banner: Gotquestions.org so we can all imagine how much quality of information can such site offer :D For others, well, I don't want to live on this planet!
"And theory of evolution does not deny thermodynamics at all..."
Let me guess, you didn't even read the article.
Secondly, the mere fact that the link had a Christian advertisement doesn't mean that the information is invalid.
The whole page is Christian advertisement. And theory of evolution does not deny thermodynamics at all.
Because I don’t know that “irreducible complexity” has been debunked a frazillion times by a frazillion different people and is no more credible an argument than “NEEN-er NEEN-er NEEN-er, I’m right and you’re wrong.”
4) ID is not a theory, it is creationism pure and simple. BTW every source on that 'article' is from a creationist opinion website. How can a credible article have no credible sources? (here's a hint: it isn't credible lol)
8) Another creationist website... Irregardless the author seems like a smart man (PhD in chemistry). However chemistry is distinctly NOT biology or archeology. I'm not well versed enough in biology to explain everything he talks about, but he is also not well versed enough to say them in the first place. Keep in mind also that evolution is (for lack of a better word) evolving all the time. New evidence comes up and is added to the list, thats how science makes progress. If we had all the answers now then there would be no need for evolutionary biologists anymore (the same is true for every field of science as well, they are always changing)
9)Haha this is funny because it has no bearing to his theories at all. Just a thought but is Darwin was insane (implying his theories are wrong?) I'm pretty sure someone would've pointed it out over the last 170 years or so (Creationists don't count because they have no credentials).
After reading the article though, it seems Darwin suffered from every single malady that existed... except for the the title of the article (insanity), or at least the type of insanity that would make people question his theory (which i again would point out is quote sound). As i read i found myself asking "and?" That's a sign of a very poorly written article. I don't know what point each paragraph was trying to make, pretty much "he suffered from this: <gives quote> <next paragraph>"
On top of all that the author of the article didn't even do proper research because it has been noted that Darwin was influenced by many who came before him. One of the things the article tries to discredit him on is 'sadism' (again, how does this affect anything?). If the author decided to do proper research he would know that Darwin took the idea from Thomas Malthus (an economist) who's ideas were about how humans will expand and use every resource in an area, then expand more. Darwin used this as the basic for natural selection. There are many other influences but Malthus was the main one...
25) "gene for long hair (H) and a gene for short hair (h)" okay i don't know everything about biology, but i do know that those are not genes, they are alleles. So the author doesn't know what they're talking about! Great... (he says gene multiple times BTW so this isn't just a typo, it is a large error) As for the quote from Dr. Lee Spetner, well... Maybe he's called a biophysicist because he came up with some theory of evolution but his education is BS in mechanical engineering and a PhD in Physics (again he has NO credentials).
On top of all that his quote is just plain out WRONG, mutation is not just the removal of information... Go read wikipedia: En.wikipedia.org
I don't even need to go farther because i just debunked that article, nothing they could say after that will make sense now... I just read it and yeah its all ********. :D
51) "First Law of Thermodynamics: Energy can be changed from one form to another, but it cannot be created or destroyed. The total amount of energy and matter in the Universe remains constant, merely changing from one form to another. The First Law of Thermodynamics (Conservation) states that energy is always conserved, it cannot be created or destroyed. In essence, energy can be converted from one form into another."
Also the Big Bang Theory and the Theory of Evolution are two separate things (that website you linked were listing them together).
16) Well after staring at your 'sentence' for a couple mins i surmised that you're suggesting the flood killed the animals and then they fossilized on the surface of the Earth? (correct me if i'm wrong because it's hard to reply to something which is so poorly written, the point isn't even there...). My reply to that would just be: were there dinosaurs 6000 (or how ever many) years ago? and also: How did so much rock and debris get on top of them in 6000 years?
23) Firstly: care to explain? does that mean 'genus', 'family' or what? if he brought one of each 'kind' on the boat then that would actually support the theory of evolution lol. Secondly, ok so he brought a bunch of baby wolves on the boat or somthing? Or do you mean just smaller animals (not babies). Seriously explain what you're saying so i don't have to guess. Thirdly, oh ok that makes it all clear i guess. He must've been pretty far off in his measurements though? Animals i might be able to see (it would;ve been slave-boat-like conditions but maybe) but where did he keep all the food? (animals eat a lot!) and water (he couldn't drink the seas water because of the salt, or maybe the rain was enough for every animal to drink? But then the seas today would probably be pretty much fresh because of all that dilution from the rain. Your story doesn't work, sorry boy...)
24) Leviathan is referring to whales BTW not Dinosaurs lol. Unless before the flood everyone ate plants but they still went fishing for dinosaurs? WTF are you even talking about? I'm not even gonna respond to the rest of your comment because it's just too stupid.
29) Google it. That's what I have to do every time you say something without a source (every time you say somthin BTW)
38) Funny how you only took objection to that, the rest is true i'm guessing? Also if you really get your knickers in a knot over that then you need to get some thicker skin... jeez
50) I think you should join the debate team, personal anecdotes always make the best evidence for somthing. This one time i saw some preacher push some guy in a wheelchair over, then he got up and he could walk!!!! HOLY JEBUS IT MUST BE GOD!!!11!one I agree it is a miracle you're alive, i though you would've forgotten to breathe by now :)
As for bible cures... well:
Leviticus 14:
49 And he shall take to cleanse the house two birds, and cedar wood, and scarlet, and hyssop:
50 And he shall kill the one of the birds in an earthen vessel over running water:
51 And he shall take the cedar wood, and the hyssop, and the scarlet, and the living bird, and dip them in the blood of the slain bird, and in the running water, and sprinkle the house seven times:
52 And he shall cleanse the house with the blood of the bird, and with the running water, and with the living bird, and with the cedar wood, and with the hyssop, and with the scarlet:
53 But he shall let go the living bird out of the city into the open fields, and make an atonement for the house: and it shall be clean.
I can't prove that works, but the MINUTE the walls of your house get leprosy just call me and ill try it out on your house...
Oh look, one physicist over half a century ago disagreed with Evolution!
I love how they try and nitpick certain ones and try to ignore just how stuipid it makes them look,
and all those who are try to argue against this
1. your pionts are all ********
2. nobody care what you think
3. creationism is not and never will be science
4. nobody cares what you think
5. your mom dropped you on your head when you was a baby.
6. Multiple times.
7.On purpose.
good bye and have a nice day...
Your points are... a lot shorter than my essay i think (lol). ehhhhh but i'm a sucker for writing short novels on the internet :S
But you don't expect them to read it, do you :D
lol I hope they do as i think it's very insightful...
"I love how they try and nitpick certain ones and try to ignore just how stuipid it makes them look..."
Actually, we only discuss certain ones because of time constraints.
@DeerHunter:
Great job on being "open-minded".
I think he's just tired of listening to the constant ******** arguments he has to put up with everyday.
Some time ago I was trying to be open-minded. Result? Zero. My guess is he also tried some time ago with same result. You know, that will make you hopelessly cynical and offensive after time.
As long as everybody's respectful of the people they debate with, I've got no problem. Believe it or not, I hate it just as much when a Christian insults an Atheist as when an Atheist insults a Christian!
i am open minded i will leisten and be nice to anyone, to a piont. but eventually i get tired of the same old lame *** ******** that i get everywhere from creationist idiots, i dont care if you believe in creationism, i think it makes you a really bad person in the same league as NeoNAzis but i can accept that because i believe in freedom so you canbelief what ever the hell you want. just keep it to yourself PLEASE.
So, you think we're the same league as Neo-Nazis, eh? Don't worry, I'm used to the insults.
After all, creationists like me are just a bunch of(insert expletives)__________, right?
Also, I found it quite interesting how you're perfectly fine with posting articles that directly mock Creationist views, but you urge us to keep our thoughts on that to ourselves.
To put it lightly, your level of tolerance for our beliefs is.....amazing.
Deer_Hunter, even as one supporting this group, admittedly I have to say that the way you regard the Christians who come here is a bit... Extreme. I mean, one of the aspects I hate most about religion is it's intolerance. While maybe creationism isn't correct, and their arguments are often BS, I wouldn't put creationists on the same level as Neo-Nazis, or call them mass murderers like you did in some other comments. Not trying to offend either party here, but I think our debates could be a lot more civil than they are now :/
i will civially debate religion, but creationism kills people lots of people. and i am sick of being nice to these people all of the time!!!
And they are on the same level.
creationists are intolerent, Neo-nazi's are intolerent.
creationism kills lots of people, neonazis occasionally kill people. creationists want to force there crazy views on everybody whether they like it or not and want to control the world, neo nazi's want ot force there crazy views on everyone and rule the world.
while evolutionists just want to help people.
...Yet, i have been harrassed and called a nazi for going to a fossil show by some creationists because apparently fossils are just a ploy for the gay nazi new world order.
i think i have made my piont.
if they leave than i will apoligize, it was alittle extreme, but if they dont leave it stands. because them being here proves my point.
"i will civially debate religion, but creationism kills people lots of people. and i am sick of being nice to these people all of the time!!!"
Would you so kindly elaborate on HOW creationism kills people?
"creationists are intolerent, Neo-nazi's are intolerent."
Not all creationists are intolerant, just as not all evolutionists are tolerant. Assuming there's a link between creationists and Neo-nazis for that reasons is like assuming there's a link between you and Stalin because you were both evolutionists.
"creationism kills lots of people, neonazis occasionally kill people. creationists want to force there crazy views on everybody whether they like it or not and want to control the world, neo nazi's want ot force there crazy views on everyone and rule the world. while evolutionists just want to help people."
Again, you're making lots of statements that are nothing more that baseless rants. You're ignoring the fact that many of the world's dictators were devout evolutionists, and used it to justify their actions. So, assuming that one side is completely good and the other is completely bad is not a wise decision.
Also, not all creationists are as radical as you mentioned. While there are a few extremists who rant about Nazi empires based on fossils, most of them are just there because they see major flaws in evolution. In fact, many proponents of intelligent design aren't even religiously affiliated! There's a very stereotypical image about creationists, and it's promoted every day by the media, and by the press. Again, that has nothing to do with a conspiracy theory, it's just plain old STIGMA.
"if they leave than i will apoligize, it was alittle extreme, but if they dont leave it stands. because them being here proves my point."
So, if we reply to any of the claims you made about creationism, it proves that we're Neo-nazis? Great logic you have going on up there....
I'll leave someone else to answer your questions, but I got a few of my own...
What major flaws in evolution? It's a huge part of biology and is well accepted by the mass majority of scientists. Every claim I've seen that has went against evolution gets destroyed.
I know what the creationist goal is: it's to undermine all possible alternatives to "God dun it". You guys don't want to listen to reason, you just want to spread your propaganda on how you're so surely the world is made just because a book told you so. Well, I'm sorry but creationism is and never will be science. It's the belief that a magic man poofed out of nothing and made everything from nothing. It's all reliant on magic.
"I know what the creationist goal is: it's to undermine all possible alternatives to 'God dun it'."
Tell you what, I'll make a deal with you. If I don't mention God or the theory of intelligent design to you, will you have a fun, rational, and interesting debate with me? Pretty please?
*puts on puppy face*
We can communicate by PM or posting, whatever you like.
I already have been through this loads of time and hardly feel like debating it anymore. I've been down the road of Christians and I can say from experience is that it is a very powerful delusion that is not just taught after birth, but strengthened with a web of lies ("I'm the parent and always right") and molded over with the most pitiful excuses.
Maybe I don't want to debate because it's 3AM over here and I'm tired as hell, but I already know what to expect.
Here's generally how I see religion used in modern society:
1. A religion is believed by the majority in an area and taught to the children of said parents as the only option of truth. This ideology has not been fully dis-proven or proven (mainly because many points of it CANNOT be dis-proven; they are so far out of the realm of the physical world we know to be true that they just seem to 'not exist').
2. A religion is dis-proven by the people who have went through it in a non-biased, literal fashion to see if it was really accurate. It was shown to be majorly wrong.
3. Many people who believe the religion reject the scientific evidence against it and instead invent their evidence for it. Much of the 'evidence' is only supported by their holy book (holy book can't prove itself) assuming the holy book was true in the first place!
4. Reality is clearly not shown to be of the holy book, and with evidence against it, I have to write it off as a superstition. Humanity has a wild imagination, but I could not simply think for once second that a rational person would even believe any of this crap without real proof.
5. My answer to 'faith' then? It is a delusion caused by the brain; the mind did not learn to rationalize the subject (and chooses not to) and therefore will try it's hardest to 'believe it' in the hope that it is true. It can see no other point of reason and may hallucinate or even blame natural events in reality to be caused by the said belief.
if you want to know what i am talking about ask TheTriangulum, i already expalined it to him and i don't fell like doing it again.
I dont hate christainity, or any religion. i dont want to see them destroyed, hell unlike most people here i even believe they can have a usefull place in society.
my problems are with blind faith, fanatasim, and delusion
These are the BIGGEST evils of human history. these three are the driving force behind the greatest monsters in human history (Hitler, Stalin, etc.) creationism is just another incarnation of this monster bent on destroying all liberty and freedoms we have left and forceing stone age beliefs and practices and all of us.
you want to control EVERYBODY thats why i compared you to Neo Nazis. all that matters to you is the domination of others. if that werent the case you wouldnt be here you would go away and stop causing trouble... but you cant do that because your blind faith, delusion and desire to control leads you on as it has with so many others before you. but let me tell you something, you cant win, your already losing. everytime somebody stands up and fights against your lies you get weaker. the future belongs to science not superstition. your just remnents of a dead age that hopefully dissapear forever.
we may be the minority now, you may be able to harrass us, discriminate against us, and try to force us to do things your way but it wont be like that forever. fortunately for you we wont treat you as badly as you treat us.
"These are the BIGGEST evils of human history. these three are the driving force behind the greatest monsters in human history (Hitler, Stalin, etc.) creationism is just another incarnation of this monster bent on destroying all liberty and freedoms we have left and forceing stone age beliefs and practices and all of us."
Creationism is merely the belief that the universe was intelligently designed, and I don't see how you can try to associate that with politics. While there are creeps who happen to be creationists, you can't go by that to assume creationism is as bad as you claim.
"you want to control EVERYBODY thats why i compared you to Neo Nazis. all that matters to you is the domination of others. if that werent the case you wouldnt be here you would go away and stop causing trouble..."
You seemed to have conveniently forgotten that our comments are responses to a post that openly mocks creationism and the people who believe in it. If a Christian posts something that blatantly mocks your beliefs, you have every right to respond, just as creationists have the right to respond to this.
"...but you cant do that because your blind faith, delusion and desire to control leads you on as it has with so many others before you. but let me tell you something, you cant win, your already losing. everytime somebody stands up and fights against your lies you get weaker. the future belongs to science not superstition. your just remnents of a dead age that hopefully dissapear forever."
And you're accusing ME of being a Neo-Nazi? Wow.
"we may be the minority now, you may be able to harrass us, discriminate against us, and try to force us to do things your way but it wont be like that forever. fortunately for you we wont treat you as badly as you treat us."
...Says the one who posts articles that mock and discriminate against creationists.
Long story short, I think we should all calm down, or else this will just turn into a flame war.
didnt say you are a neo nazi, just similar views on control of people.
and alot of neo nazis are christain
and so was Hitler.
hey i treat you really nice, i havent had you band from serving in public office jailed, burned alive, beheaded, or any of the other great things christains did to athiests and agnostics.
i just post images showing the truth.
actually its graet logic, if you keep continoulsy trying to force your beliefs on us than you are showning that you are exactly what i said you are.
but if you leave quite trying to force you ideas down our throats, than i will admit i was wrong about you and apoligize.
unlike you i can admit when i am wrong
You have as much business here as we on Christian group (or any other religious group). I look there sometimes - and so much for tolerance for different beliefs... Yes, discussion is needed.
You know, I don't understand how you can be so determined in creationism. I see facts are going against you. I see every defense of yours looks like conspiracy theories - basically it is a try to find bugs in evolution and exaggerating of every "so called mystery". Also all of them are on extremely pro-christian sites, written by people in easy language. Maybe those people really see to problem, but you know, if you are simplifying text, there is always subjective issue. As your holy book can be always interpreted to favor of experienced manipulator, so can be any text.
"and so much for tolerance for different beliefs... "
You must be looking at the atheist group still. One only needs to enter the images on this group to see how it preaches hate against all other religions other than its own.
hey the athiests dont fill the christain group with crap, but of course you dont think about that. christains think its perfectly ok for them to harrass athiests but if an athiest fights back they are intolerent.
we started unity of belief for tolerence, this isnt for you, or your ideas, or your beliefs.
Ecclesia, you know, I had never have an argument about belief with any other guys than Christian. I can't see any muslim (or any other) messing here. Also when there is negative picture on your group, it is against atheists, not against any religion.
Because you don't understand how we can live without god? Because you don't care in what god man believe, you care only if he believes? But - I on the other hand can't imagine my life connected to any god. I met some people who truly believes and I can't understand why... I see no logic in it. And I value logic above my life.
the reason they are here is very simple, christains believe its there right to control and boss others around. the fact that we are telling them NO is the greatest insult to there egos that they can imagine.
basically its the exact mentality that allowed american christains to at one time own slaves and have a clear concious about it. they believe they own (or should own) the world and this page shows that they dont and they dont like that.
"the reason they are here is very simple, christains believe its there right to control and boss others around. the fact that we are telling them NO is the greatest insult to there egos that they can imagine."
Actually, that's the fault of the person, not the religion. If you read the Bible, you'll see that Jesus encourages people to be kind to one another. The problem is not that His teachings are wrong, it's just that not enough Christians are following it!
"basically its the exact mentality that allowed american christains to at one time own slaves and have a clear concious about it. they believe they own (or should own) the world and this page shows that they dont and they dont like that."
Again, that's the fault of the person, not the beliefs. People can use just about anything to justify their actions, and they jumped on to a few vaguely-oriented words to justify something that Jesus was completely against.
This page doesn't really do anything to stop fundamentalist Christians from acting like jerks, it just makes fun of creationist beliefs.
I make fun of all irrational befiefs, i also make fun of the tooth fairy, santa, the easter bunny, flat earthers, conspericy therorists, and other fairy tales why should creationism be any different?
mabye neo nazi was to far. but evolution HAS saved lifes, it opened the door for all sorts of medical theorpies and drugs that saved thousands if not millions of lives. it also help scientists and doctors to understand how and why pathogens spread and how the mutate and change. creationism has done nothing but stood in the way of this, so by defult killed thousand if not millions. so again by defult anybody who stands in the way of aiding the sick helped to kill them, and that would be considered by many to be murder, not by chioce but by action. if creationism was considered true science we would not be were we are medically and if creationism was never brought in in the first place we would be much farther advanced and saving more lives.
if you want to believe the earth is 6000yrs old go ahead, i dont really give a ****, if you want to believe in magic and fairy tales go ahead i dont care. BUT dont think for a minute that i will stand by and let you try and force that crap on me or try to claim its science and valid because it isnt and only gets in the way of real science and things that can help people.
also you have to understand no one hear cares if you are offended by pictures and posts on this group. its an athiest group, a group of people who have been persectued by christains for there beliefs or hundreds of years, many of them dont like you or your beliefs and dont care if your offended.
there i was nice to you, i was civil and as polite as i am going to be.
I know you probelbly didnt understand this, you never do you just pick small parts and try to use them to your advantage, but i dont really care because in the long run we win. knowledge will win out, and that makes mw really really happy
Wait, you think atheism is a religion? Everything else you've said is instantly invalid.
"Open minded" does not mean "Gobble down all the ******** coming right out of everyone's *****.".