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PsychoticLoner
PsychoticLoner - - 1,011 comments

And now you can't use it. Now the Christian is ahead by $1.

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ComradeWinston Author
ComradeWinston - - 1,822 comments

It's illegal, religious affiliation has nothing to do with it.

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PsychoticLoner
PsychoticLoner - - 1,011 comments

Hey, I think it's stupid, too. Just, you know, you could make a point without denying yourself a dollar.

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ComradeWinston Author
ComradeWinston - - 1,822 comments

Luckily that is not my dollar :D

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PsychoticLoner
PsychoticLoner - - 1,011 comments

Fair enough.

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ithilienranger
ithilienranger - - 221 comments

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

That is not the same thing as no endorsement. To my knowledge there is no law that forces the government to put that there.

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ComradeWinston Author
ComradeWinston - - 1,822 comments

"In God We Trust" has only been on the dollar since the 50s, probably something in reaction to the 'evil godless communists.'

The government is supposed to be a secular institution, it should not have any affiliation with theology. Most of the founders were anti-religious desists who saw religion as a plague that only caused harm to humanity. Hence why Thomas Jefferson added that part into the constitution, he as most of the others assumed that the majority of people within government would continue to be mostly secular intellectuals as they were.

Sadly, it is basically a requirement to be christian to obtain a position in any meaningful public office these days.

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ithilienranger
ithilienranger - - 221 comments

Yes, it was instituted because of Communist fears during the Cold War.

They were not anti-religious, though many were deists. Jefferson and other believed in the divine clockmaker who created a clock that once wound would run unaided to eternity. You are twisting their words for your own agenda. You are doing the same thing that you accuse theists of doing. If you had it your way would you ban any govt. official from practicing religion even in private?

For the most part yes, but not because religion is a plague. Politicians just tend to sell out to whatever will keep them in charge until the next election.

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ComradeWinston Author
ComradeWinston - - 1,822 comments

Well that is where you are wrong, the founding fathers in fact were deists yes, but they were anti-religious. They believed in an initial creator, though that was mostly the extent of their deistic beliefs.

"This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it."
"The question before the human race is, whether the God of Nature shall govern the world by his own laws, or whether priests and kings shall rule it by fictitious miracles?"
-John Adams

"We discover in the gospels a groundwork of vulgar ignorance, of things impossible, of superstition, fanaticism and fabrication."
"Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced an inch towards uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world fools, and the other half hypocrites. To support roguery and error all over the earth."
-Thomas Jefferson

"Lighthouses are more helpful than churches."
"I looked around for God's judgments, but saw no signs of them."
"In the affairs of the world, men are saved, not by faith, but by the lack of it."
-Benjamin Franklin

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ithilienranger
ithilienranger - - 221 comments

Not everyone thought as those three. Jefferson and Franklin were the closest to anti-religion as the founding fathers got. However, George Washington was a religious man according to historical records. Then there is Hamilton who like many politicians today use religion to gain popular support. The founding father were varied in there beliefs and as my college history teacher said "They were more like founding brothers because they constantly fought each other." This is how America is and how it should be. It has been built upon compromise.

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