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Wasn't Marcus Aurelius strong believer?

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ComradeWinston Author

To be perfectly honest this is pretty much the only quote I've put up without being at least somewhat sure it's of the credited person's own conception.

At the very least--regardless of origin--its a good quote.

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yes it is a good quote, however NOBODY can earn their way to heaven. its impossible, another great quote: "the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life, through Jesus Christ."

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"however NOBODY can earn their way to heaven."

Then the christian god is unjust.

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Did you even read the next sentence of my post? The punishment for one sin is DEATH, yet God prepared a way for us to be able to have LIFE. Also I people could earn their way to heaven then that would kind of make the gift meaningless, right? Lastly, people that are like whitewashed tombs(people that act good, in their minds they are evil) how would God judge them? You see those people reject Jesus out of their own free will:) God cuts those people off, I mean the streets are meant to me GOLD, and I would not want people to come and break chunks of the street, just to have something for themselves. People with such a mindset cannot enter heaven because they don't have Jesus. Without Jesus all a person is, is NOTHING:)

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...thus confirming that the Christian God is unjust.

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Admiral-165 Creator

How come when a dictator/leader says "worship me or die" they are one of the worst criminals of history, yet when that leader is the idol of a religion is is known as 'justice'?

To put it in perspective:

"lastly, people that are like whitewashed tombs(people that act good, in their minds they are evil) how would God judge them? You see those people reject Jesus out of their own free will:) God cuts those people off"

Have you ever read '1984'? What you're describing is thought crime, you are to have no free thoughts or free will that does not align with the leader (be it dictator or god) or you will be subject to some form of torture.

At least in 1984 you were just 're-educated' and brainwashed, quite kind compared to burning in hell for all eternity (AKA forever). Funny how the christian god is actually worse than the worst possible dystopia imagined by George Orwell...

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Baron Brosephus
Baron Brosephus

"Would you kindly bring up those quotes Jesus said?"

Have you noticed that in all the cases which involve a rejection of Jesus, He never punished those who were just cautious? Have you noticed that He never judged the ones who were disillusioned with organized religion, or the ones who were preyed upon by religious authorities? The only ones He ever blasted were the ones who used religion to frighten and control others, and the ones who believed they were superior to those around them. When Jesus was asked to sentence a prostitute, you know what he said?

"He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her."

If that doesn't count as showing lenience to someone who's broken the law, I don't know what does.

If you're wondering where I get my beliefs about various "waiting places" from, the answer lies in the original translation.

In the Bible, there are three translations of the word "hell". All of the meanings are very different, but the translators simply used the word "hell" to describe all of them.

If you're interested in the argument over hell's existence, check out this page: Tentmaker.org

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he's a model christians should follow, he was one of the "Five Good Emperors". So go figure.

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Cervi_Messias Creator

this is one of my favorite quotes

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