Tremulous PC, Linux, Mac game

Having played both the Tremulous public beta extensively and Natural Selection for a week or so, I can say that they are different. The only reason for the maps looking the same (which I dont agree with at all) is that they share some of the same textures. And what do you mean by style? futuristic?

Personally, I think you should play the game before making judgments like that. The basic gameplay elements are similar, I agree, but to say that Tremulous will fail because Natural Selection is similar and has more players is just wrong.

Did games fail when they added deathmatch online play when quake1 was so popular? Were they called rip-offs?

Why did Natural Selection get so popular? They 'ripped-off' Gloom. Your list of similarities match that of Gloom, maybe not the maps, but again I'm really not seeing the maps as being the same anyways...

and the quake 1 mod, navy seals (even by the same author, gooseman :O)

I'm not offended. I really don't mean to flame your mod, I'm just trying to say that maybe changing things up a bit would help so that people don't look at it as a NS ripoff. I am impressed by your modding ability, and I think NS style gameplayis wonderful. But everything looks the same besides the models. Even the maps.

(I don't see how the relative retail performance of Q2 and HL is relevant here, needless to say I think your claim that "Quake 2 failed" is rather detached from reality). The idea is not an "improvement" on Natural Selection because it is not based upon Natural Selection in the first place. If you actually bothered to play Tremulous before you compare it to NS perhaps you would realise that.

It's funny you mention Gooseman developing ideas for CS in the days of Quake (lets see... when you were 7) because I started programming Tremulous before NS was announced, starting in 2000. I'm not offended that another mod uses a similar concept to that of others, why are you?

Quake 2 failed because Halflife came out so shortly after. I don't like discouraging mods, especially this one because it looks like a great deal of effort was put into it. Its just the idea doesn't look so heavily improved. Just graphics and models. BTW, Gooseman had developed ideas for CS in the days of Q1.

So what you're saying is, once an idea is developed it should never ever be developed again? Why do people play Natural Selection then? Or Counterstrike even, which owes a great deal of inspiration to another Quake 2 mod, Action Quake.

I'm sorry, but I don't really see what you're getting at.

So this is a ripoff of a ripoff then? Not to discouirage you, but tons of people play NS so this would be much like making a Counterstrike ripoff. Whereas, people would more prefer playing the original.

I suggest you take a look at a mod called Gloom for Quake 2, which not only incorporates the game play features you list, but also predates Natural Selection by a number of years. If you accuse this of being a rip off, it is none moreso than Natural Selection is of Gloom.

I also suggest you obtain a copy of GDM Feb 2001, where Charlie Cleveland (author of NS) cites Gloom as inspiration:

Gamasutra.com

Though your models are nice, it is an exact duplicate of Natural Selection.

1.Humans vs. Aliens
2.Building structures llike spawning
3.Aliens killing humans to evolve.
4.Objective is destroying all players=structures.
5.Even the map are quite similar right down to style and textures.

Planethalflife.com

Nice try, but try being a little more creative.

Please explain to me why you think this is a "damn ripoff"?