Player's Choice Winners Showcase feature - Red Alert: A Path Beyond Game

kinda sad the last 4 winners are all soldier shootbulletsetc warfare mods. ugh

indeed

oh man, that's a big goof, thanks for pointing that out - I'll be uploading a revised version. I blame lack of sleep putting this thing together.

yes :)

nah its Independent :P

And there's the editors choice ;)

I 2nd that! Would be great to know how all Top 100 ranked! Hope the details will be published soon..! :)

Zombie Panic was unreleased as of voting.

the plot thickens

that's LOW

They were unreleased at the beginning of phase 2 hence they remain in the unreleased category. Also a number of members alerted us to them essentially tricking users for votes prior to their release. Provided the votes are obtained from mod fans and are not spam / duplicate they are allowed. Having said this, we agree it was not in the best interest of the contest and investigated how many votes were obtained during this period. Even factoring these votes out they won, its a shame it happened, but they are still a deserving winner.

As for the multiple complaints on release day (the day before votes were finished) one mod said something stupid like "HAH not gonna release till you vote for us" which was QUICKLY corrected by every other ZP Developer there present for the release party. I had been up a good two days preparing for release. I made it clear I did not want anyone voting for ZPS that didn't want to vote for ZPS so don't let those who spread rumors take away our hard work :/

Excuse me? Lol what a load of crap. First of all there was no direct link to vote you had to scroll down list of games, select game, then select mod and vote. No one force anyone to vote for ZP:S and we couldn't have if we wanted to. Also the staff already explained we released after voting so we were not a RELEASED mod :P. Those of you who are bitter should watch the slander.

Tats...

Really I don't recall that but, every mod has it's retards so you can't exactly blame them mod for that

Why would anyone give this post negative votes? It's a list of factual statements. Are those mods listed "Licensing rip-off*" not licensing rip-offs? Is the mod listed "Zombie mod" not a zombie mod? Do the glut of war games not feature guns and planes and tanks?

If all top ten MOTY mods can be put into 3 very simple categories, don't we need something to support originality?

There are definitely some bound-to-be-Foxed-sooner-or-later mods in the unreleased mods category, but MINERVA?

Erm...

The only game it's using story and content from is Half-Life 2 - which it's a mod of. Thus such behaviour is specifically allowed, and even encouraged.

Plus, if it *was* an illegal mod, I think somebody at Valve would have told me on one of my occasional visits to their offices?

What exactly is original?

I'll settle for calling anything that doesn't fall into those three categories as original.

And please, if you're about to say, "well your definition of 'original' isn't the same as everyone else's", save it; those three categories account for over 90% of the MOTY nominees, i.e., they are unoriginal.

Well to be perfectly honest it doesn't matter what the winners fall under as they were chosen by the majority of players "Players Choice". FYI Zombie Panic was the first MP Zombie mod and the first to include player controlled Zombies and other features that are only now popular with zombie mods. If you're bitter cause your mod or the mod you prefer wasn't placed, I don't see the point in complaining here or see what you're trying to prove.

Tats...

mike why are you angry? people vote for what they think is fun. if you make an origional game but it's actually not as fun as the one where you run people down in a tank or get all sorts of realistic guns you've seen in movies, then people are going to vote for the one they enjoy the most.

and some of the games in that list ARE very origional, the gameplay of some of them is nothing like any other game or mod out today.

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is still want to know how many votes for each thing actually came in!

"mike why are you angry?"

Glad you asked. As a general rule, it's just in my nature, lol. But in particular, as is relevant here, liscensing rip-offs make me very, very angry.

Half of the mods here are being awarded cash and prizes for THEFT. They are relying on hundreds of highly paid professionals who have toiled for years to do their design and narrative work for them. They are relying on multi-million dollar multi-nationals to do their PR work for them.

This has THREE huge consequences that jeopardizes the true "make something different" mod community.

1. It discourages innovation.

2. It jeopardizes the "true-fan" mods by violating the unwritten rule of "you can use our IPs so long as you don't profit from your creation". By violating this unwritten rule, these mods may very well bring about a resurgence of C&D orders.

3. By capitalizing on a world-wide ready-made fan base cultivated by the hard work of others, these mods drain the modding talent pool and cannibalize the mod fan base. As a result, the few original, innovative games out there cannot recruit.

So in short I'm angry because half of the top 10 MOTY mods are unoriginal, and I'm even angrier because the other half violate the law, the "make something different" ethos of modding, moddb.com's TOS, and profit from THEFT.

mike, I don't know what you're on about...

i mean, please elaborate as to how empires is a licencing rip off? There arn't ANY other games out there in the same universe as the empires universe, and there arn't any commercial or modded games that are rts/fps hybrid and give players vehicles. I'm just picking that one because i know it's especially inventive.

have you even played the mods you're insulting, or just looking at the pictures and claiming that they suck.

"mike, I don't know what you're on about..."

Then you'll have to read my original post. I never said that Empires was a licensing rip-off or that any of the mods sucked.

You're welcome to assume what you want but I made my observation over the fact that you seem to be upset that people like these games (thus being chosen as top 10 by players) and that they're not completely original (as in they use themes that have been done before). I guess once it's been done there is no room for improvement, or that others can't make a version that fits their vision of it. As for calling my mod a Zombie mod... What else could you call it? City mod? Gun mod? I mean it has those too, where's the insult in that label? We started it so why shouldn't we improve on our own work?

Again i'm all for unique and original ideas (which I believe my mod is guilty of even if others imitate it) but your idea of what the modding community should do doesn't necessarily mean it's the right thing to do. And this Award show is just as legal as donations so take a deep breath and spend all this wasted energy on making your mod worth playing, instead of trying to discredit modders and their work. And seriously? Zombie mod? lol

Tats...