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Seems the game is too complex for us modders, and so mod tools will be missing from the PC release of BF3.

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Battlefield has had a proud history on ModDB with mods including Project Reality, Forgotten Hope 2, First Strike and others dominating our annual mod of the year awards. Despite this, news has just come out (and confirmed our fears) that Battlefield 3 will not include mod tools, and instead EA are looking at other ways to "appease" the modding community. DICE executive Patrick Soderlund speaking to German Gamestar magazine (via Battlefieldo) confirmed this in the video below:


When asked about modding, Patrick said:

Quote:It’s going to be very difficult for people to mod the game, because of the nature of the set up of levels, of the destruction and all those things… it’s quite tricky. So we think it’s going to be too big of a challenge for people to make a mod.


Earlier in an interview with Game Informer Patrick was uncertain how modding would look for BF2. Given this was over 4 months ago and no decision has been made since then, it sounds like even basic tools maybe some way off (assuming they are in the pipeline to be made at all):

Quote:We will not deliver mod tools in the way that we delivered them for Battlefield 2 ... Creating mod tools today - dumbing them down - takes a lot of energy and what we are discussing more every day is, 'Where do we put our focus?' ... Right now our focus is to create the best possible multiplayer, single-player, and co-op game -- the core game of Battlefield 3," he added. "We're still discussing how we handle modifications of any kind.


This news follows in the footsteps of CoD: MW2 who also shunned the mod community despite a lot of success and great ideas coming from CoD 4 modders. Hopefully they will realize their mistake and do a backflip, as CoD did with Black Ops bringing back mod support.

After all to back up their claim of BF2 been a PC first, consoles second game - it is critical that they put their weight behind the PC community and enable them to unleash their modding creativity on the game.

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feillyne StaffSubscriber
feillyne

Modding is usually about doing impossible things...

Are people too dumb to mod? No.
Too lazy to make complex projects? No.
Are tools for them too hard to figure out? No.

On the other hand, some tools require heavy loads of PC (CPU, GPU etc) power that home computers may not handle. But then again, a dedicated modder would find a way to cope with that too (two computers combined into one? ASO).

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a_coathanger
a_coathanger

Most people are too lazy. But i'm real ****** glad that everyone isnt as lazy as me. can you imagine vanilla oblivion?

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KodY
KodY

Why the outrage? He said "as of now" so that's pretty much the same statement as before. They don't plan it at this moment which is understandable as they have to finish the game first.
(Crytek also didn't deliver the editor on day 1)

I don't have high hopes myself but this new statement doesn't differ from the older ones.

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Shoelip
Shoelip

I guess I should be glad I wasn't that interested in the game to begin with. Saves me disappointment.

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Auxor
Auxor

God damn it DICE. The argument "it's too complicated" means jack ****, the modders can learn how to use the tools as well as if not better than the developers than themselves. ALL of them.

This is a symbol of the decay of PC gaming. More catering for console players where "all the money is" instead of trying to increase the longevity of the game through mods like Forgotten Hope 2.

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MattyG
MattyG

Even if mods are going to be supported, then what's going to come out of it? I'm not keen on playing a mod that'll be somewhat similar to the core game itself, I'll rather have them focus their efforts on making the game more enjoyable.

No hard feelings, but I don't think the lack of mod support will be THAT great of a loss unless it's something like an RPG.

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7game
7game

This is UNACCEPTABLE!

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MrTambourineMan
MrTambourineMan

Look guys, read this - Forums.electronicarts.co.uk . Things like this :

"Finally, in its current form, the pipeline + editor expects some specific IT infrastructure in place (most notably the cache server and a Perforce server).
If it’s not there then the pipeline + editor will behave strangely.
The first time I tried, it took me about one week to get the full editor + pipeline setup to work properly outside of the DICE office. And that was when I had the option to call any of the other developers to ask for help." is one of the reasons, but read the whole post.
EDIT: Sorry, I didn't see that feather240 already posted this.

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MXTRO
MXTRO

Or They just don't want to give the modders pointless hope or...
They just want to earn more money !
No mod support? That means basicly even no custom maps so probably you all are going to pay for just a mappack or next skin pack for the players like in bc2.
I Say it's dissapointing and others may say that it is just business and they have right to do so but...
Look up at the project reality site and go to "About" page:

"Battlefield is all about fun, action-oriented gameplay. We'll leave the truly realistic experiences to the mod teams who thrive on that type of action." (DICE) You said it dice!

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MrTambourineMan
MrTambourineMan

Map packs for BC2 were free for PC version, though they did release a "MOD" - Vietnam for a tenner, anyways, vanilla BC2 is far better than Vietnam.

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OldBoy
OldBoy

Translation: We want to sell our ****** mappacks without competition :-P

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ijat
ijat

owh.. noo not again...

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BenQ3000
BenQ3000

Just another reason to love Source SDK - you get what the Valve gets.
Plus you are not considered dumb in front of those big amazing famous companies.

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Starkiller2356
Starkiller2356

They are starting off on the same path that Crysis 2 went with mod tools lets hope they'll turn that around :P.

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BRKNnode
BRKNnode

so they are calling everybody in this community dumb and/or incapable? way to make friends.

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psykogundam
psykogundam

mods primarily begin as small adjustments to an engine. if they incorporate the ability to adjust values in the game, that will sate their community's hunger for a while.

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a_coathanger
a_coathanger

We're still discussing how we handle modifications of any kind.
Mods arent out of discussing mods they just wont be there at release.

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Mad(rus)
Mad(rus)

I think EA give order DICE that they not add mod suport
If you don't believe me, remember history of C&C franchize

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moppop
moppop

Ah yes, EA is the New World Order, The Illuminati, The Knights Templar AND caused 9/11!

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mgs2
mgs2

This game will not last long without mods.

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Rebourne
Rebourne

Modders wanting a modern engine will have to look to the UDK & CryEngine, both of which can be used to make a enormous variety of games.

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Stealthrellik
Stealthrellik

that mofo didnt evne know what to say XD, ANY, I mean ANy FREAKING ENGINE CAN BE MODDED IF IT CAN BE CREATED, im thinking its more like "I ran outa excuses". BC2 was basically to keep hackers from hacking, no? then wtf type of lame excuse is this?

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mjl8
mjl8

You know, a reason why half life 2 keeps selling even now is because of the mods. If an astounding mod comes out, and you wanna play it, you need to play half life 2. Since BF3 wont support that, the most they will sell is probably during the release year.

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dufake
dufake

That's what they want.
EA could sell more map packs or expansions instead.
They have better market strategy.

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moppop
moppop

But they have to pay people to make those maps...
Didn't think that one through, did ya champ?

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Karriz
Karriz

Sad news, but it will be a great game anyways. Maybe they would consider mod tools later...?

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Shishkinbar
Shishkinbar

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

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Nazara
Nazara

Well,they obviously misunderstand modders.Every successful mod I have seen was lead by modders or a modding team that was very skilled.Successful modders are not 8yr old kids who do not understand anything about C++,Python and whatever language is needed.
Moddin increases the longevity of a game,at least by 50%.
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I am still playing dawn of war mods,HL2 mods and many other mods today,those games are alive for me as i still play them.

What they said is a bait and an insult as a reason to not implement modings tools. They should pay for another spokesman though...

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Sinankurulum
Sinankurulum

BAD GAME BATTLEFİELD 3
BEST Game ARMA 3 + Metro 2033

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Res1
Res1

DIce sincerely go **** yourselves. First you cancel Mirrors edge 2 And now you cancel Mod support for BF3. Go burn in hell.

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JoshZemlinsky
JoshZemlinsky

More like a bad excuse to make us pay for DLCs...
I would never in my life pay for a DLC. Its just not worth it.

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Deflection
Deflection

man, this is DICE just spitting in the face of the community that put them on the map and made them what they are today, as a long time member of the BF mod community I have to say this is really sad....RIP BF mods

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JustNameless
JustNameless

Ok, I'll stay with the CE3...

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Reyalsfeihc
Reyalsfeihc

They won`t wait longer than a year. More than likely EA will release the SDK in parts like UDK originally was by releasing certain features over a period of time until a full SDK is released.

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PurpleGaga27
PurpleGaga27

This kinds of reminds me of what Infinity Ward did to Modern Warfare 2. Why is EA DICE giving off such a reason and act like IW?

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Ark_
Ark_

:(
Since when where the dev tools ever dumbed down for modders?

When the tools for Quake modding where released they sure werent dumbed down at all. Hell even then you had to wait days for the map to compile so you could test it!

I'm pretty sure the big advantage of leting modders acess to your tools is that they will happly train them self and that you can then hire people that know how to use your tools and dont have to waste time or money training them.

If mordren advanced engines like Unreal 3 and CryEngine 3 can some how manage to give modders so called "dumbed down" tools I'm sure Dice can too.

Plus its not really good if you think you have to dumb down your tools, what unnessary suffering are you putting your own devs through then?

What about that Dino mod peole where gonna make, did you think of that Dice? :p

And Dice was one of those studios I really liked (still is, maybe not if Mirrors Edge 2 never gets out) :/
/End le rant.

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MTGraves
MTGraves

That sucks.

Well then they better make this game sooo freakn awesome that I never want to put it down, cuz if I do, then there wont be mods to stop me from playing other games like Modern Warfare 3... Dum dum daaaaaa!!! Thats my evil music...

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card176
card176

Kinda funny how people are raging at "No mod support". Honestly I see the point, as I was looking forward to mods for BF3 but people please CALM DOWN. Look at certain games and how they released the SDK after a period of time, NOTHING happens instantly as everything takes time. Just be patient and see what happens.

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Computica
Computica

If they say there won't be modding support then there won't ever be an SDK. What we will get is some DLC though.

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Kev4000
Kev4000

Doesn't mean anything we didn't already know.

BF1942 didn't have any official mod support or tools before after EoD, DC, Pirates, and FH were released.
What we'd like to know, is it capable of modification?
In other words, is the code exposed to the user?

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Frenzier
Frenzier

They want to force us to buy ****** dlcs like they did for bad company 2.... at least they could admit the truth... they must think we are all dumb.... its an insult.

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Yoghurt.
Yoghurt.

Then I won`t buy it. That easy.

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Elizabeth_Lestrad
Elizabeth_Lestrad

I've really not been into the Battlefield games since Battlefield 2. Battlefield: Bad Company 2 wasnt terrible, but the feeling of the game has changed dramatically since the good ol days of Battlefield 1942. The genre has just been getting way to "Modern Warfare"/over-the-top hyper-realistic. But all the formally good shooter series seem to have been going this route lately. Medal of Honor, Call of Duty, Battlefield.

Still, in this day and age its pretty incredible (and not in a good way) that a Dev would come out and say that they had no intention of allowing mods because "theres no way to dumb down the tools enough for people to be able to work with the uber-complexity of their game". That just seems like a personal attack on modders and that is just plain sad.

Ah well, back to waiting for a good WW1 shooter to come out. I want me some good-ol trench warfare.

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Minuit
Minuit

And if they released the tools as is, without dumbing them down, you'd be crying about that too.

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Ark_
Ark_

True, people will cry about anything as the Source sdk going free has proved.

But at least if the tools where released some people would be able to make use of them.

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Panzert
Panzert

It's not a matter of WHEN they're releasing them it's IF they're releasing them.

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NeighborKid
NeighborKid

apparenlty you dont need tools to make a mod.. it all depends on just how complex the game is. bf42 mods started with out mod tools.

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TheNodCommander
TheNodCommander

Modding a game without a dev-kit is hard, yes. But with it, it would be easier. Hence, it's not hard for modders to make mods: It seems that it's either too hard, takes too long time or costs too much money for the company to make such a dev-kit.

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scone2
scone2

man, i was looking forward to a BF3 project reality. Guess I'll stick with the BF2 PR maybe give the ARMA 2 PR a try when it releases ^^

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ytres
ytres

"too complex"

I lol'ed. DICE, you screwed up bad.

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