Would you kill if you'd have to? Thread

What would you do? Would you try to kill or just immobilise the aggressor?
Did you have any situations, in which you had to even pull the trigger (not yet kill)?

I just came across this thread today Feillyne. Without even watching the documentary I can say this; Noone can answer this threads question until the instant they are forced to decide if their own life and/or those of others who rely on them, is more important than that of a hostile enemy or aggressor intent on seeing you dead.

What of the men and women world wide sworn to protect the lives of others at all costs ? The hesitations of their morality get them killed every day. An individual who does moral battle their most primitive instincts of self preservation in that split second critical decision will die at the hands of another who does not.

Yes. simple.

jjawinte wrote: I just came across this thread today Feillyne. Without even watching the documentary I can say this; Noone can answer this threads question until the instant they are forced to decide if their own life and/or those of others who rely on them, is more important than that of a hostile enemy or aggressor intent on seeing you dead.

What of the men and women world wide sworn to protect the lives of others at all costs ? The hesitations of their morality get them killed every day. An individual who does moral battle their most primitive instincts of self preservation in that split second critical decision will die at the hands of another who does not.

i agree, its easy to say "duh off coarse i will, stupid question" but the if you think about it. Are you willing to take some ones life? Can you live with the guilt?
I might not makes sence, he is trying to take yours so will he have any feelings for the act but there are people who love that man/woman to. If you kill someone, you will make someone hate you for it, no exception
But even when you kill out of self defence, there is still guilt. I once broke someones arm in 2 places because he attacked me (didn't mean to brake his arm tho :p) but even tho i hated the guy i felt a certain amount of guilt. Just because i ruined someones fun (no puns lol) by not being able to use his arm for months i think

Sure.

If something is to be done, it will be done.

In protection of a fellow man, of course.

In retaliation? No sir.

I seem to think of this often. What WOULD i do in a worst case scenario? I'd like to say FIGHT but nobody really knows until they're faced with such questions in an AT THAT MOMENT DECISION

I'm a complete pacifist, but if it came to a choice between someone elses life and mine, if they were attacking me with an intention to kill, then yea... I'd kill the son of a bitch first!

(Of course I'd try the incapacitation approach first but if that fails... Then... )

Orion wrote: (Of course I'd try the incapacitation approach first but if that fails... Then... )

Best sentence EVER. and true story. FIRST.......... if that dont work

lol... I didn't mean that it would be me who'd be . Oh hell no! lolz.

Too late... your already Bummer lol

FFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!

Oh god that was too funny lol

lets get off the battlefield for a minute here.

what if this was ur normal life, you have never held a weapon before, hopefully you're not like me & have sum1 special to you....lets not get into details but say you were confronted with a situation...would you stop to think that this man has his friends & loved ones....could you end another's life..for all you kno he could have a life similar to you own.

say this is not a confrontation, say you are trapped or abandoned somewhere....you need food right?...would you kill someone with you, you mite not know them...but would you kill an innocent so you can live another day??

If you're asking if we'd kill another for the sake of food, whether it be to eat them, take their supplies or otherwise... Then No... Couldn't do that myself. Personally I'd die first before resorting to those kind of measures.

Damnit thats hard.

I dunno. I've always been a giver...i'd more than likely die to save others. True but sad

If you've never been in the situation and you think you can answer truthfully, you're lying to yourself.

Jyffeh wrote: If you've never been in the situation and you think you can answer truthfully, you're lying to yourself.

No argument there. That's how i feel. And for those that have been in similar situations might act differently the next they're confronted with the issue.....

Jyffeh wrote: If you've never been in the situation and you think you can answer truthfully, you're lying to yourself.

I was unfortunate enough to be in a kinda "Either me or Him" situation once in my life, It was only a few years ago when I lived in Finglas, Dublin, (Ireland) so I remember it vividly.

Basically, I was being mugged at gun-point and from behind. The guy crept up behind me in a lane way on my way home and stuck a gun to my neck. He demanded my wallet and whatever else of value I had on me. All I had on me at the the time was a cheap casio digital watch. No wallet, no cash, no nothing. He didn't believe me and started to freak out and right then it became obvious that he was a strung out heroin addict or something along those lines. So, to cut a long story short... I talked to him in a way as to make him calm down a little... Telling him I had cash at home and all that BS. All I wanted was for him to loosen his grip on my neck a little so I could try and do something to get myself out of the situation. The way I saw it at that time was that I was dead if I did nothing!

Anyways... To cut a long story even shorter... He eventually relaxed his grip on my neck but at the same time also relaxed his grip on the gun, that's when I saw my opportunity and I managed to drop down under his arm that was gripping my neck, turn, and grab his other hand that was holding the gun. The end result was me having him pinned to the floor with His gun in his mouth! I used His mobile phone to call the police! lol. (I hadn't got mine on me at the time lol).

I suppose what I'm trying to say is here is that at that time I saw that I was 6 foot under if I didn't do anything, I was dead! So it was either me or him in my mind, at that particular time. And trust me, It aint a nice feeling to feel like that!

The only thing I'm grateful for from that situation is that I didn't actually have to take his life. I don't know if I could have really lived with that. But yea.... I suppose that particular question comes back to...

Jyffeh wrote: If you've never been in the situation and you think you can answer truthfully, you're lying to yourself.

If I had too...hell yes.However, I cant actually prove this, since some people say they will, but in the end they are cowards who refuse to pull the trigger. I on ther other hand have little to no conscious of the other person Im defending myself against, so I wouldn't care less if he died.You can take my word for it and call me a sick bastard or you can me a liar, either way I still won't care.Yea Im messed up somewhats.

Edited by: SoldJr

SoldJr wrote: If I had too...hell yes.However, I cant actually prove this, since some people say they will, but in the end they are cowards who refuse to pull the trigger. I on ther other hand have little to no conscious of the other person Im defending myself against, so I wouldn't care less if he died.You can take my word for it and call me a sick bastard or you can me a liar, either way I still won't care.Yea Im messed up somewhats.

WHAAAAAT THE FUCK?!

Check out "Utilitarianism". It's a school of philosophy dealing with the problem of the greater good. It's questionable if soldiers aren't mere instruments of politics and economy these days. I think we are already killing a lot without doing it with our own hands.

Edited by: SinKing

Without watching to much of the documentary *major sin there I know; I will after this post*, the choice of military scenes *thus far*, during training and the like, have -clearly- been chosen to appall and disgust those who aren't of a..military? Mindset. Those of us who are, or are going to, server in the military most of the time feel like they have a vague understanding (that's not to say all, or in reality any) of what they are about to go through, or are about to be trained to do.

While the choice of images/clips as I said, was *in my opinion* choosen to..display, the military in a completely bloodthirsty fashion while stating facts to the contrary, I would like to point out a rather simple quote "Ware is a Profane thing", the men and women who -choose- to fight, while many won't even finish training, are making a conscious choice to be taught, to kill. Ultimately, the second you sign your name, the only way to survive (in my opinion) is to accept that fact. Eventually if and when they come into combat, hopefully, the love and comradeship they feel for their -brothers & sisters- around them, will overcome any trigger-shyness out of them. And I guess, its part their fault, not if they couldn't pull the trigger, but that they put themselves *in* that position.

As an example; I've long been considering joining the US Military under the 18X program. I've got the ASVAB Scores to do so, as well as (as far as my doctor can tell) the physical conditioning to atleast meet the basic requirements to try out. But what's holding me back from doing so, is exactly what I said above.

I honestly don't know, not that I won't be able to kill; but if I am capable, and willing, to put -others- lives at risk, by me being there. Bluntly put; if I'm not the man for the job, and someone dies, say because I -am- triggershy, then ultimately while I can say "it's no ones fault, it happens in war", my, personal convictions would dictate otherwise.

I guess that's ultimately the argument for when it comes to joining the military (in my eyes atleast).

As per self defense, if its against my loved ones, then I would like to say I would do whatever I can to avoid it short of killing the person if possible; but I consider myself a realist in the fact I *hope* I'd realize when the time for minor action was over, and a swift and complete response to the threat is needed. Now if its myself...I honestly can't say I would kill.

I mean, if it was simply -me- say an individual wanted to kill *me* personally, for whatever reason, and I knew that my death would be the last life he would take, that the individual would simply 'hang up' their guns? I gotta say I'd have no problem dying like that.

Edit 1: I would like to point out one thing though, I know of several Vietnam Veteran & Desert Storm Veteran Snipers, and I hope atleast, that this documentary won't portray it as any harder for those individuals then it is for the average ground-pounder. I've had lengthy talks with these people, and it's never quiet what the movies portray, yes the 'stalk' gets to familiar with your target; but the training...dehumanizes? You, to the point its a piece of meat, an object, an objective, to be removed/destroyed, and that training actually keeps them sane enough to continue possibly some of the most important work in the military.

Edited by: Kalenov

this is an interesting topic, personaly, i don't know.
though I'd like to say yes, I would kill if it was the only option I had.
now, I'm not military, and sadly never will be. but if it means protecting my life or the life of loved ones, no problems.

sorry to say, but sometimes, there are people who are just better off dead.
that includes, murderersª , rapeists, traitors, and pediphiles.
but sadly, laws nowadays are just too weak to do anything.
and there is nothing I, being just a citizan, can do.
though if someone breaks into my house when I'm home, well, thats another story.

Now as for in the military, people should join the military knowing what they might have to do, if they have a problem with it, they shouldn't sign up. too many people nowadays join the military just for the special bonuses they can get, like collage funding.
Being a soldier means that one might have to kill another.

ªpeople who kill in self-defence or defending another doesn't fall under murderer, imho.

Edited by: Dragmod

I would not be afraid in any way i have practiced all my life just in case the moment comes upon me...