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Cryrid
Cryrid 3D Artist
Dec 1 2010, 1:16pm Anchor
Quote:and have an awesome accent

I think the accent is always a good part of it. Even for Russian, such as when it is slow enough to sound very deliberate, and deep in tone (Yuri in 2012). Throw in a character who grew up in either a war-torn area or had their country/culture/economy collapse around them and it just helps set up the background for the character.

Dec 1 2010, 9:16pm Anchor

Trying to install CWC v1.5 on a new computer OS windows 7 64-bit and game install says it cannot be done. Anyone have any suggestions on installing CWC on a win7 computer w/64 bit?

Dec 2 2010, 12:06am Anchor
DHULATA wrote:Trying to install CWC v1.5 on a new computer OS windows 7 64-bit and game install says it cannot be done. Anyone have any suggestions on installing CWC on a win7 computer w/64 bit?

What does that have to do with anything??? And no I dont know how to fix it (it worked on my old WinXp Comp, now I have Win7/64-bit but didnt install it yet)

Whizzard
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Dec 5 2010, 12:21pm Anchor

Well, I think the main cause why russians are the bad guys is that they are the only superpower in the world that acts like they don't give a shit about other nations of the world if it does not benefit them. USA? NATO? "Watch them, they might get in our way, support anyone they oppose". Closest neighbours? "Feed the unrest in those countries, keep an eye open for conquering opportunities." The rest? "Keep an eye open if someone's communist party is gaining power, support them secretely and hey if revolution comes, sell em weapons."

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X4VI3R
X4VI3R Don't waste my time
Dec 6 2010, 7:19am Anchor

Why Russians are the bad guys ?

Because russian girls are the real good ones!
=)

Assaultman67
Assaultman67 Needs a fuckin' title
Dec 6 2010, 1:05pm Anchor
finfunxxx wrote:Hey the British also got a lot of stick from the American as well, for example if you've ever watched star wars the original trilogy, why are all the bad guys British and if you have studied the war of independence there are subtle similarities between the two.

Two words:
James Bond.

He's ("they're" I guess) like an ultra protagonist considering there are 22 films with him in it.

Actually now that I think of it ... "Enemy at the gates" has Russian protagonists  (their government wasn't portrayed in a positive light though ... lol) ... Armageddon had a Russian protagonist ...

Honestly, I'd be more understanding if this was a thread about why Germans are always the bad guys :P ...

(seriously though ... I don't know how many WWII movies and games there has been with nazis being portrayed at absolutely ruthless ... as if they aren't even people ... surely things weren't THAT morally black and white. I believe there was a few movies and TV series where it puts the audience uncomfortably close to a German solider and they see the internal conflict in his eyes ... directors don't usually highlight that too much though ... its too bad ... its a really good way to show the audience real drama as well as make the audience question the "evilness" of the german soldiers)

Alot of those guys were good people put in a really bad position ... there was a particular book I remember reading in which they talked about German POW's being sent to the US and put to work and the protagonists surprise to find just how much good was actually in them.

And really the only german protagonist movie I can think of is "The Sound of Music" which was a story originally written by a German author ...

Edited by: Assaultman67

PeterHat
PeterHat A Gray Swan
Jan 13 2011, 6:47am Anchor

... CoD Black ops D:    

Russia is a new country and we don't have the money or the time to start WW3 so as America. We have a lot of our own problems so we might not create new ones.

Edited by: PeterHat

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ToTac
ToTac Mod-Leader of Outbreak 2
Jan 13 2011, 4:53pm Anchor

I think the biggest problem is, that even today (Internet and Globalism) everybody is used to think about "countries", not about "persons". Also bad charakters (or "stereotypes") play a bigger role  in peoples minds than the rest of the people. Normal, friendly persons are not seen, they are not interesting to the media.

If people would just care about persons, not about politicians, terrorists, the government, or even religion, then every country would be the same place I think. A place where many people live, some assholes, some childrapers, some bankers who just care about money, some terrorists, some guys who fuck a hot chick and run away when she gets pregnant... and so on. The most people are pretty normal I guess, maybe 75% of each country (that would fit to the calculation of a South Park episode: 25% of a countries population are assholes). Not very good or bad, just normal persons who have to live their lives. People who get born into these lives and systems without having the choice, just like Russians, Iraqis, North-Koreans, [...].

If you had the choice today, where would you want to live? I think if we all had the choice we would still choose to live in our own country. But many countrys could use a little.. revolution and some revolutions will never happen, or not very soon. Russia is just one of these countries.

I personally can claim that I dont hate people of any country. But I hate assholes. And some countries have an unproportional high asshole-factor.

As a German, I know how its like to get stereotyped in american movies/series/games/etc. and I always wonder about how people from other countries feel about their own stereotypes sometimes. Russians, Mexicans/Spain, South-America, Africa, Europe, Chinese, Iraqis, all Muslims, every other religion than Christianity, just to mention some.
Well, sometimes you have to see it with humor I guess.
But movies like "Inglorious Bastards", oh my god, this wasnt even a real plot, just a bunch of german-hating scenes. This movie screams "99% of all Germans are goddamned Nazis, who shall all be scalped, burned, massacred,"... and so on. This movie was just a slap in the face and I can not undestand why it got hyped so much, really.

You will have to ingore this kind of stuff. Get famous, rich or whatever and make your own movie/series/game about the USA and their "false steps".
For me, the most russian people today are pitiful (the ones who dont have work, get addicted to alcoholism, or are terrorized by the corrupt system), just like Iraqis for example. With a proper government and a new system many many things would be different, and I would really appreciate this for the people.

What else can I say, I am sympathetic to every man or woman in the world, who isn't an asshole. But all assholes shall burn in hell, wether Germans, Russians, US-Americans, Chinese, Iraqis, French, Europeans, Africans, Asians, Christians, Muslims or every other nation, religion, party and grouping of the world.

Edited by: ToTac

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Assaultman67
Assaultman67 Needs a fuckin' title
Jan 14 2011, 1:04am Anchor
ToTac wrote:If people would just care about persons, not about politicians, terrorists, the government, or even religion, then every country would be the same place I think. A place where many people live, some assholes, some childrapers, some bankers who just care about money, some terrorists, some guys who fuck a hot chick and run away when she gets pregnant... and so on. The most people are pretty normal I guess, maybe 75% of each country (that would fit to the calculation of a South Park episode: 25% of a countries population are assholes). Not very good or bad, just normal persons who have to live their lives. People who get born into these lives and systems without having the choice, just like Russians, Iraqis, North-Koreans, [...].

Exactly one of the reasons why i think technology such as the internet will slowly lead to world peace

I've said this before, and everyone seems to get really skeptical of this theory, but i think the only thing that causes people to go from small nomadic groups to large countries is communication technology ...

As languages developed as well as communication technology became more developed, countries and groups became larger.

Within the past century, mankind has made HUGE leaps forward in communication such as phones and the invention of the internet.

As long as the internet remains in its "lawless" state it is today, I imagine it will become a powerful tool towards achieving world peace (probably not within our lifetime though :C )

Edited by: Assaultman67

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PeterHat
PeterHat A Gray Swan
Jan 14 2011, 7:36am Anchor
Someone wrote:I think the biggest problem is, that even today (Internet and Globalism) everybody is used to think about "countries", not about "persons". Also bad charakters (or "stereotypes") play a bigger role in peoples minds than the rest of the people. Normal, friendly persons are not seen, they are not interesting to the media.

I completely agree with you. I hate when people say that ALL Russians are assholes (The are a lot of the though) and all Americans are idiots. (I mostly hear this from teachers. Guess they don't like the educational program )

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Jan 26 2011, 12:18pm Anchor

Because of stereotypes?

Mar 26 2011, 3:48pm Anchor

well the Americans need some one to send james bond and chuck norris after

Cryrid
Cryrid 3D Artist
Mar 26 2011, 4:56pm Anchor

Americans.... James Bond....

Ambient_Malice
Ambient_Malice Ultraconservative Hippie Freak
Jun 22 2011, 9:40pm Anchor

Well, it could be put down to the theory that Russia is Gog (as in Gog and Magog), from the Bible.

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Jun 23 2011, 5:35pm Anchor

This trend has always irritated me. The cold war is over, the new threat is violent Islam, not a bunch of tyrannical Russians.

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TheUnabridgedGamer
TheUnabridgedGamer It's been a long time...
Jun 24 2011, 3:34am Anchor
Sordrai wrote:every american is gonna ignore this for sure


...No. I have to say I'm tired of seeing Russians as the main villains as well. But I'm not going to start criticizing all of America here. Jon Stewart's already got a headstart, and I have plenty of other things to complain about on an hourly basis :D .

As to Cybrid's "just look at all the remakes and sequels"...

It really depends. Batman Begins, Dark Knight, those were good remakes for Batman. However... if we even dare bring up the horrible constant sequel making that companies like Disney are doing... then yes, we have an accord. I hate seeing them make a sequel just for the sake of more money. I frankly have trouble not thinking George Lucas' focus on merchandising had something to do with this...

Well, far as I'm considered, I want to do original stuff...

So if they don't shoot me on sight, I'll hopefully some day break this unending habit of making sequels for the sake of... well... sequels (we're looking at you, Attack of the Clones).

Cryrid
Cryrid 3D Artist
Jun 24 2011, 2:40pm Anchor
Quote:As to Cybrid's "just look at all the remakes and sequels"...

It's Cryrid, not Cybrid.
And I'm not saying there can't be good sequels or remakes; that quote was just a reply to 'Maybe the real problem is that American writers are out of ideas?'. I think that still applies if you want me to look at Batman (who has been fighting Bane and Joker for 18-70 years, even on the big screen) or Disney (without counting the sequels, some of their best works are still based upon older fables and fairy tales). 

Jun 24 2011, 4:18pm Anchor
Cryrid wrote:
Quote:As to Cybrid's "just look at all the remakes and sequels"...

It's Cryrid, not Cybrid.
And I'm not saying there can't be good sequels or remakes; that quote was just a reply to 'Maybe the real problem is that American writers are out of ideas?'. I think that still applies if you want me to look at Batman (who has been fighting Bane and Joker for 18-70 years, even on the big screen) or Disney (without counting the sequels, some of their best works are still based upon older fables and fairy tales). 



I'm American, I'm a writer, I assure you, I am not out of ideas. ;)

It's just you get burn outs established in companies like Activision, who realize they can still make massive amount of money, by simply cranking out the same story over and over, so they figure "why innovate? Go with what works and get rich!” Which is a disgusting design philosophy, but undeniably practical.

Edited by: Konkrete21

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TheUnabridgedGamer
TheUnabridgedGamer It's been a long time...
Jun 24 2011, 5:11pm Anchor
Cryrid wrote:
Quote:As to Cybrid's "just look at all the remakes and sequels"...

It's Cryrid, not Cybrid.
And I'm not saying there can't be good sequels or remakes; that quote was just a reply to 'Maybe the real problem is that American writers are out of ideas?'. I think that still applies if you want me to look at Batman (who has been fighting Bane and Joker for 18-70 years, even on the big screen) or Disney (without counting the sequels, some of their best works are still based upon older fables and fairy tales). 



Ah, brain screwing with my head there, apparently...

But yeah, Konkrete has a point. And sometimes, people want more of the same. I am perfectly content with Batman fighting the Joker for years on end -- as long as the high points are still unique. However, that doesn't mean I was opposed to the Umbrella Academy's far more punk approach to doing a story.

Cryrid
Cryrid 3D Artist
Jun 24 2011, 5:35pm Anchor
Quote:I'm American, I'm a writer, I assure you, I am not out of ideas.

I wasn't the one who said American writers, but given the thread my interpretation is that it refers to Hollywood and the Games Industry, not you.

TheUnabridgedGamer
TheUnabridgedGamer It's been a long time...
Jun 24 2011, 10:31pm Anchor
Cryrid wrote:
Quote:I'm American, I'm a writer, I assure you, I am not out of ideas.

I wasn't the one who said American writers, but given the thread my interpretation is that it refers to Hollywood and the Games Industry, not you.



By "Games Industry", does that apply to Indie games? Even if so, the point is rather muted and generalized. There are many authors who daily write original stories that no one else ever thought of. Then they usually are shoved aside for yet another Rick Rioridan/James Patterson/crappy romance novel/Tom Clancy wannabe.

Cryrid
Cryrid 3D Artist
Jun 25 2011, 12:46am Anchor
Quote:By "Games Industry", does that apply to Indie games?

Do they churn out sequels, similar titles, or games with Russian villains?

Edit: Actually, I'm just going to say yes, generally speaking it applies to the entire industry, starting with the second video game. Same with books, movies, songs, etc. It's part of humanity, I think.

Edited by: Cryrid

TheUnabridgedGamer
TheUnabridgedGamer It's been a long time...
Jun 25 2011, 10:22am Anchor
Cryrid wrote:
Quote:By "Games Industry", does that apply to Indie games?

Do they churn out sequels, similar titles, or games with Russian villains?

Edit: Actually, I'm just going to say yes, generally speaking it applies to the entire industry, starting with the second video game. Same with books, movies, songs, etc. It's part of humanity, I think.


Yes, some Indie games and mods do have sequels, similar titles, and even a few probably have a Russian antagonist. I'm glad you realized that, because I was afraid you were honestly going to try and deny it. The fact (as stated above) does remain that all humans -are- capable of mistake. Some more than others... *glances at Activision*

PeterHat
PeterHat A Gray Swan
Aug 8 2011, 8:56am Anchor

Maybe this is a bit dumb, I mean Americans are good people, yet they make games and movies about one American defeating an entire highly trained army.
In the age where one of the highest insults is calling a black person "nigger", this trend has to end.

Edited by: PeterHat

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Joe_Shmoe
Joe_Shmoe working on something =P
Aug 8 2011, 10:38am Anchor

Youtube.com

Thats why russians make the best bad guys, and not any other culture (Indians in this vid's case)... It just kinda is fitting yeah?

ps. start watching the video from halfway to get to the point :)

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