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Sep 29 2010, 11:39pm Anchor

the USA is not rich anymore, they're completely in debted to China, the only advantage the US has is technology.. in time it'll loose that too. Just accept that the United States sold its superpower status to China and be done with it- if we did have a war soon I'm certain that the EU will rise up and do what should have been done after WW2, create a european superpower that can then secure peace throughout the world. And no the Americans did not win WW2, Russia did :P.

Sep 30 2010, 12:15am Anchor

I seriously doubt the USA will ever lose it's super power status to anything unless it's by alien invaders.

Sep 30 2010, 1:22am Anchor
Rawket wrote:I seriously doubt the USA will ever lose it's super power status to anything unless it's by alien invaders.

And thus the US "we can't be defeated" ethos kicks in, the reality is though America for the past 100 years just "got lucky" in that it held off from going to war for so long and built up a strong military and economy whilst the rest of the world burned- and then came in at the end only to discover Russia had done the same thing. The US only influenced the world over because it was in a position to trade and bring prosperity to those nations, and every other nation fell into line.. then Globalization came along where the distribution of power fell in China's favor, China is more a superpower today than what the United States is, they control all our manufacturing, the thing that gave the US its ability to influence other nations- now all it has left is technology.. which can be replicated by the Chinese in time- its just lucky for the west they're on our side for now. But America is indebt to China, not the other way around, the United States lost its superpower status when it took out that loan, just as Britian did when it borrowed from America.

As for Russia they control the worlds natural resource supplies of Oil and have relationships with every other country that has this resource as well, Russia can and has dicated Europes energy/resource trade for decades now- though this was something they were doing even in WW2. The EU will soon put an end to Russia's monopoly over energy resoruces and in doing so will force Russia to react to economic sabotage- hopefully not with hostility, though I think NATO will prove very important in the years to come.

Sooner or later the GFC will turn into something far worse, America has failed to recover from the GFC anyway where as the rest of the world managed to shrug it off for the most part (except spain and greece who I think will be at the mercy of Germany sooner or later.) The EU definately will in time become a superpower of nations, It's doubtful that Britian will join though, but Germany's prosperity will be a huge driving force and will really put pressure on Russia in years to come.

What I do hope America does is try to get Star Wars setup soon, whilst Obama did the right thing in stepping down as a sign of good faith to the Russians, the reality is that the system needs to exist sooner or later because of a risk that Russia might try to invade Europe or/and America.

As I said, what is likely to trigger huge problems is a conflict between Iran and Israel because this will essentially push the world back into the cold war. But America I feel no longer has the political sway any longer, the EU, Russia and China ultimately rule global politics now. If America wants influence it needs to get its economy sorted out, and I just don't see it happening.

PeterHat
PeterHat A Gray Swan
Sep 30 2010, 2:34am Anchor
Someone wrote:Every single Russian I've met online has been a dick. In chat, EVE, in countless team shooters, even in effing Minecraft. That's the long and short of it. I'm sure there are nice Russians, just as there are worldly Americans, but the fact is the mass-production citizen the world sees is not. We're both large nations, unblessed by the small scale that makes hiding such warts easy for the rest of the world, so the stereotypes win out.

  Well i hate those types of people too. And it's one of the reasons i don't play on Russian servers. I think they embarrass our country. Not all Russians are like that.

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ambershee
ambershee Nimbusfish Rawks
Sep 30 2010, 3:29am Anchor

Not to mention the USA doesn't even have the resources to care for it's own people in emergency. Consider the fallout from Hurricane Katrina; it hit several fairly poor areas of the US and left lasting damage (physical and personal levels). That fallout is still there five years later, left undealt with.

Supposedly 'third world' or 'developing' nations deal with these kind of crises more quickly and effectively.

It's also interesting to note how much each nation is currently pledging towards the flooding efforts in south Asia at the moment (displacing over 20 million people). Given that the USA is a nation the size of a continent, why have they pledged less than some European and Middle-Eastern nations? Even more interestingly however, why have they committed more on sending aid to Pakistan over the last two weeks than they have rebuilding their own damage communities over the last two years? The answer is simple - as a nation the USA is fast losing it's financial power and with it, it's ability to influence foreign politics. They're unable to adequately provide for their own citizens, but at the same time are expending more resources than they can afford in an effort to try and maintain their 'superpower' status.

People like to think that the USA 'won' the Cold War, but in reality I'm beginning to think that they completely overextended themsselves and are now beginning to suffer the consequences.

Gibberstein
Gibberstein Generic Coder Type Thing
Sep 30 2010, 4:16am Anchor

Anyone else noticing a parallel between the attitude of the USA now, and the attitude of Britain at the height of the British Empire? How well did it work out for Britain in the end? ;)

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Sep 30 2010, 4:40am Anchor

go finland

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Sep 30 2010, 6:28am Anchor

Bah, I caused another Anti-America rally. I really need to stop doing that.

Edited by: Rawket

Sep 30 2010, 6:39am Anchor
Gibberstein wrote:Anyone else noticing a parallel between the attitude of the USA now, and the attitude of Britain at the height of the British Empire? How well did it work out for Britain in the end? ;)

The United States are hypocrites (by that I mean their government and commercial ethos), all that talk of Liberty, Freedom and Equality when in reality its just an Aristocracy- the very same thing the American Revolutionists criticized britian for.

ambershee wrote:

It's also interesting to note how much each nation is currently pledging towards the flooding efforts in south Asia at the moment (displacing over 20 million people). Given that the USA is a nation the size of a continent, why have they pledged less than some European and Middle-Eastern nations? Even more interestingly however, why have they committed more on sending aid to Pakistan over the last two weeks than they have rebuilding their own damage communities over the last two years? The answer is simple - as a nation the USA is fast losing it's financial power and with it, it's ability to influence foreign politics. They're unable to adequately provide for their own citizens, but at the same time are expending more resources than they can afford in an effort to try and maintain their 'superpower' status.

People like to think that the USA 'won' the Cold War, but in reality I'm beginning to think that they completely overextended themsselves and are now beginning to suffer the consequences.


I agree completely Amber, and I think the only way the US government can fix this problem is through embracing more socialist ideas (but given the huge shitstorm Obama created for calling himself a "socialist" apparently this is unamerican.. screwing over your fellow man is American so it seems) and rebuilding what these moronic capitalists took out of their country by outsourcing to China.. The global labor crisis was NOT solved through Globalization, all it did was create further political imbalance in the world. If America wanted to be a superpower it should NEVER had done that because all that ensured was eventually China would take over in their place. I think Clinton was a complete idiot for removing the restrictions on Globalization as he's to blame for why the capitalists in America not only sold their country out, but then also caused the GFC via another Clinton policy that enabled them to create the stupid system of Loan Brokering which has as we've seen now not only ruined the lives of many Americans but also destroyed lives across the world- it should have remained illegal because it was a bad idea. America is to blame for creating that system and forcing the rest of the world to step into line. The GFC I feel was the begining of the end for America as a superpower.

and as I've said, the real test will be to see how it reacts to Iran and Israel.

Edited by: formerlyknownasMrCP

Sep 30 2010, 7:04am Anchor

Obama is just another democratic president who just throws money at their problems instead of actually fixing them.

Sep 30 2010, 7:21am Anchor
Rawket wrote:Obama is just another democratic president who just throws money at their problems instead of actually fixing them.

hold on though, throwing money at things IS how you fix things, you have to re-capitalize in order to grow. Obama's biggest flaw is that when a major issue has come along he's tried to duck and dodge responcibility towards it- just like any other politician in the world. His claim "Change is coming" isn't true, he hasn't really done as much as what he made out he would when he was elected.. and I question his re-election (which is a worry given who his up against.)

If you want to fix the problems in America, you gotta get everyone employed again- Obama hasn't made any real attempts to do this, for that matter he's done nothing to rebuild the manufacturing industries that America lost to China- if he wants to fix the issues, he has to rebuild what made America strong throughout the 20th century, which is the manufacturing industry. What I've thought of is that a potential war could in fact fix this issue as it would create a war economy climate where the people are either able to work in factories, or serve in the actual war- it could be a huge boost to the economy in America and get the economy out of a recession- this was done to pull the world out of the great depression afterall. I see too much incentive here for America to get involved in a future conflict, be it Russia, Iran or North Korea- this is I feel the only way America can keep its grasp on the super power status. But I hope it doesn't come to that.

Sep 30 2010, 7:42am Anchor

Well, he threw money at that cash for clunkers program. But, that pretty much backfired... Though I loved it, cause I got myself a brand new Toyota out of it. So I am conflicted. Pretty sure that program was made so we buy from local car manufactures to help our own economy and not the foreign economy. MANY americans bought Japanese vehicles.. So all that money got wasted.

Anyways, yup. The problem here is that the USA companies outsource way too much. Obama needs to focus on creating jobs HERE.

Edited by: Rawket

Sep 30 2010, 8:49am Anchor

You think the US is going to pay China all that money back during the apocalypse?

Edited by: NGS616

PeterHat
PeterHat A Gray Swan
Sep 30 2010, 11:15am Anchor

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Sep 30 2010, 11:19am Anchor
Rawket wrote:Pretty sure that program was made so we buy from local car manufactures to help our own economy and not the foreign economy. MANY americans bought Japanese vehicles.. So all that money got wasted.

Anyways, yup. The problem here is that the USA companies outsource way too much. Obama needs to focus on creating jobs HERE.


Agreed.

ngs616 wrote:You think the US is going to pay China all that money back during the apocalypse?

Nope, its more of a case that the US is going to do just as Britian did and spend a whole 60-80 odd years paying it back. Though it could go like good old medieval times and they'll just nuke the country they owe money to, yay Debt settled! this funnily enough is how France and Britian became superpowers during that time lol (they killed all the people they owed money to, Britian killed Jewish bankers whilst France killed the Knights Templar). Of course I'm just speculating. It'd be better if I were completely wrong lol.

Cryrid
Cryrid 3D Artist
Sep 30 2010, 11:50am Anchor

This quickly turned from a thread about Russian stereotypes to an anti-American/anti-Obama thread...

Quote:you gotta get everyone employed again- Obama hasn't made any real attempts to do this, for that matter he's done nothing to rebuild the manufacturing industries that America lost to China-

Well the democrats had a bill designed to end tax breaks for companies that close their US plants and move overseas and instead give companies tax breaks to hire new US workers, which got defeated a few days ago by republicans (53-45). It's a bit unfair to say he's made no attempts and has doing nothing, when just about anything he tries gets blocked by your Senate.  

Quote:Pretty sure that program was made so we buy from local car manufactures to help our own economy and not the foreign economy. MANY americans bought Japanese vehicles.. So all that money got wasted.

It was "intended to provide economic incentives to U.S. residents to purchase a new, more fuel-efficient vehicle when trading in a less fuel-efficient vehicle. The program was promoted as providing stimulus to the economy by boosting auto sales, while putting safer, cleaner and more fuel-efficient vehicles on the roadways."
 

Quote:Supposedly 'third world' or 'developing' nations deal with these kind of crises more quickly and effectively.

Well yeah, that's because they're third world. It doesn't take a lot for them to return to the status quo of everyday life. Meanwhile, as Louis CK puts it, Americans have so much crap they can lose most of it and still have more than the average Canadian. 

Sep 30 2010, 12:42pm Anchor

I wouldn't say its anti-obama, but I would agree my comments are Anti-American.

Sep 30 2010, 3:29pm Anchor
Cryrid wrote:It was "intended to provide economic incentives to U.S. residents to purchase a new, more fuel-efficient vehicle when trading in a less fuel-efficient vehicle. The program was promoted as providing stimulus to the economy by boosting auto sales, while putting safer, cleaner and more fuel-efficient vehicles on the roadways."


Still, maybe they should of rewritten it to where the program would only cover local manufacturers.

Sep 30 2010, 4:51pm Anchor

Russians are bad because they were no good dirty commies.

Sure, that's changed now, but it's easier to just go back to an old enemy (i.e. China/Russia/Germany/Japan) than to create a brand new enemy out of another country.

ambershee
ambershee Nimbusfish Rawks
Sep 30 2010, 5:12pm Anchor
Cryrid wrote:It doesn't take a lot for them to return to the status quo of everyday life.

Because everyone in India and Pakistan is a subsistence farmer who lives in a shed and proudly owns two whole cows.

Sep 30 2010, 6:17pm Anchor
Rawket wrote:Bah, I caused another Anti-America rally. I really need to stop doing that.

Always right in the middle ain't ya ? How is that Rawket ? Oh, nice job by the way - you know what happens when you talk politics.

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Cryrid
Cryrid 3D Artist
Sep 30 2010, 7:11pm Anchor
Quote:Because everyone in India and Pakistan is a subsistence farmer who lives in a shed and proudly owns two whole cows.

Compared to a New Orlean bitching about losing their air conditioning or cable television during a hurricane, they might as well be.

ambershee
ambershee Nimbusfish Rawks
Sep 30 2010, 8:22pm Anchor

I think you need to get out in the world. Case in example, Malaysia is a supposedly 'developing' nation. Most flat blocks there still however manage to maintain a swimming pool. Just because it's a 'third world economy' doesn't mean that it's inhabitants live in some backwards age where they won't have air conditioning or cable television - because they do have those things.

Edited by: ambershee

Cryrid
Cryrid 3D Artist
Sep 30 2010, 10:47pm Anchor

No, you need to stop looking at the resort areas and (unaffected) wealthier cities in these countries. It's like using Hong Kong as the poster for life throughout China. Instead look at the homes and villages that actually end up getting hit by these major disasters. Look at villages in Tamil Nadu, Kashmir, homes around Haiti and Somalia. The places that really get hit by these things... huts and slums. You can't tell me for one second that the average American (or Canadian/British for that matter) would be remotely content or comfortable with that level of material wealth.

I remember watching a documentary about Earthquakes in China that destroyed schools killing every child inside (400+). It wasn't even a strong earthquake, the buildings were just very poorly built. Haiti probably shared a similar fate by having absolutely no building codes. Sorry for believing it take more effort and money to build/restore New Orleans and other towns in America the way they are compared to what is standard in places like Indonesia.

Edited by: Cryrid

Oct 1 2010, 10:18am Anchor

Guys you're both right, its a problem in the third world that there's a huge gap between the rich and the poor. Places like India for example where you can have Mansions next to slums..

It's just the world we live in and it sucks. If It were up to me there'd be no rich or poor, just a whole bunch of people with enough money to survive and accomplish the things they want from life.

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