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Oct 9 2009, 9:01pm Anchor
wikipedia wrote:Broken Arrow may also be:

  • An accidental event that involves nuclear weapons or nuclear components but which does not create the risk of nuclear war, known as a Broken Arrow in United States military terminology.
Jyffeh
Jyffeh I am arch jailbird scowl.
Oct 9 2009, 9:52pm Anchor

I've only heard broken arrow used to describe lost nukes.

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Handgun_Hero
Handgun_Hero Vietnam | Glory Obscured Beta Tester
Oct 10 2009, 2:44am Anchor

Fail assaultman, the link don't work. :P

 Anyways, here's what I found:

En.wikipedia.org
An accidental event that involves nuclear weapons or nuclear components but which does not create the risk of nuclear war, known as a Broken Arrow in United States military terminology.
The United States code for calling in all available aircraft or artillery for an airstrike and/or artillery strike very near a friendly position which has been overrun by the foe, and therefore creating a high probability of'Blue-on-Blue'. An example of this use was shown in the 2002 movie We Were Soldiers, a true story during which a Broken Arrow was called in by Lieutenant Colonel Hal Moore in 1965 while leading his men through the Ia Drang Valley in Vietnam.

Therefore we are both right. :P By the way though, it's not lost nukes, it's a nuclear weapons accident.

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Jyffeh
Jyffeh I am arch jailbird scowl.
Oct 10 2009, 3:02am Anchor
Handgun_Hero wrote:By the way though, it's not lost nukes, it's a nuclear weapons accident.

But we were talking about lost nukes.

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Handgun_Hero
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Oct 10 2009, 5:51am Anchor

Well then, Broken Arrow is not the right code. A Broken Arrow is a nuclear weapon accident, not a missing nuclear weapon. That's talking about lost nukes sort of isn't it? A lost nuke is "Empty Quiver."

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Jyffeh
Jyffeh I am arch jailbird scowl.
Oct 10 2009, 6:52am Anchor

A lost nuke falls into the catagory of Broken Arrow. I think Empty Quiver usually refers to situations in which the nuke is stolen.

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Parazitull
Parazitull Eat and sleep, sleep and eat
Oct 10 2009, 6:58am Anchor

Mutant time controlling babies FTW and chaotic AI

Handgun_Hero
Handgun_Hero Vietnam | Glory Obscured Beta Tester
Oct 10 2009, 5:07pm Anchor

A lost nuke falls into the category of Empty Quiver. Empty Quiver is anything where the nuke disappears from being able to be tracked, including simple misplacement (though probably hard to achieve with a nuke) and theft. A nuclear weapons accident is in the category of Broken Arrow.

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Orion
Orion The Chosen One
Oct 10 2009, 5:22pm Anchor

Apparently the Term "Broken Arrow" (US Military) is used for any kind of 'Nuclear Accident' (Including Loss of a weapon or component damage etc.) that doesn't result in effecting an increased threat to Nuclear War! So, basically both of you are correct there!

Another use of the term has in the past been to call in an Artillery and/or Airstrike near friendly territory.

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Oct 10 2009, 7:51pm Anchor

I guess there were some good points about the cold war ...

A good porportion of the uranium used in U.S. nuclear power plants were from soviet nukes :P

Can we talk about nuclear power plants in here? i like talking about nuclear power plants :P

jacksonj04
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Oct 12 2009, 10:50am Anchor

Nuclear power is amazing, and we need to tell the environmentalists to shut up about problems which did exist in the bad old days of Soviet reactors, but which with realistic appraisal and funding could provide the world's energy for at least long enough for us to master renewable energy.

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Oct 12 2009, 12:09pm Anchor

Yes! I like that comment! :thumbup:

Please post more comments of approval for nuclear power plants 8) :P

Handgun_Hero
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Oct 12 2009, 3:02pm Anchor

I'm all for nuclear power plants, if they are away from residential areas (safety obviously).  They are very environmentally friendly, and we should have more. It's also very economical too, though the original investment is expensive. The environmentalist should instead of complaining about all our high pollution coal/oil plants and do something to encourage nuclear energy instead.

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jacksonj04
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Oct 13 2009, 6:04am Anchor

Even better, something such as a pebble bed reactor can actually be fairly close to residential areas as they fail to safe. You could remove any controlling rods, turn of the coolant systems and all it would do is self-regulate to its 'idle' temperature.

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Oct 13 2009, 7:05am Anchor

Ok guys fuck that, you dont even have the slightest clue about nuclear power it seems. Economical? Enviroment friendly? Get your facts straight.

Jyffeh
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Oct 13 2009, 7:42am Anchor
N0dachi wrote:Ok guys fuck that, you dont even have the slightest clue about nuclear power it seems. Economical? Enviroment friendly? Get your facts straight.

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Six_Ways
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Oct 13 2009, 7:56am Anchor
N0dachi wrote:Ok guys fuck that, you dont even have the slightest clue about nuclear power it seems. Economical? Enviroment friendly? Get your facts straight.

I have a master's degree in physics. They're correct, and you're an ignorant dick.

Oct 13 2009, 7:58am Anchor

Ok "Master of physics" where does the nuclear waste go?

Edited by: N0dachi

Six_Ways
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Oct 13 2009, 10:44am Anchor

It is stored and/or reprocessed. The various techniques available are safe and environmentally low-impact.

The fact is, while of course it's not perfect, it's not nearly as bad as people like you (at the risk of acting on stereotypes) seem to think. It's a damn sight better than any other 'conventional' power source. It's even arguably better than some types of renewables, such as hydroelectric which can play havoc with ecosystems.

EDIT: For the record, the point of telling you about my qualifications was to show that I have more than the slightest clue about nuclear power, and that therefore your assertion that they don't based on the fact that they disagree with you is ignorant and arrogant.

Edited by: Six_Ways

Handgun_Hero
Handgun_Hero Vietnam | Glory Obscured Beta Tester
Oct 13 2009, 3:17pm Anchor

Six_Ways is right, it's actually very easy to remove the waste. Bury it somewhere in the desert where no one will ever go, store it up in high mountains where it's too cold to go. There's plenty of options. It's just the public always think, "OH MY GOD NUCLEAR TECHNOLOGY END OF THE WORLD!!!!!!!!!!" Nuclear energy has to be one of the most environmentally friendly out of all the energy sources we have today. It's just no one will bother to examine the facts to see that, as we can see with NOdachi here. I am also good with physics, though I don't have a degree in physics (I'm only doing it for aviation purposes.)

Edited by: Handgun_Hero

jacksonj04
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Oct 13 2009, 3:27pm Anchor
N0dachi wrote:Ok guys fuck that, you dont even have the slightest clue about nuclear power it seems. Economical? Enviroment friendly? Get your facts straight.

Umm... okay. Economical.

Quote:Nuclear energy is, in many places, competitive with fossil fuel for electricity generation, despite relatively high capital costs and the need to internalise all waste disposal and decommissioning costs. If the social, health and environmental costs of fossil fuels are also taken into account, nuclear is outstanding.

Environmentally friendly.

Quote:Nuclear power plants are good for the environment-and good to the environment. Nuclear plants don't pollute the air. They don't produce any carbon dioxide-the major greenhouse gas-or any sulfur dioxide or nitrogen oxides. The small amount of waste that a nuclear plant produces is carefully contained and safely stored. Radiation levels are checked 24 hours a day, seven days a week. In fact, nuclear plants have such a low impact on the environment that plants are often surrounded by nature parks or wildlife sanctuaries.

And another environmental, showing that in some cases nuclear power is in fact 'cleaner' than the nature is to start with

Quote:Some of these areas, including Cornwall and Aberdeenshire in the United Kingdom have high enough natural radiation levels that nuclear licensed sites cannot be built there — the sites would already exceed legal radiation limits before they opened, and the natural topsoil and rock would all have to be disposed of as low-level nuclear waste.

I'm sure we can keep at this all day whilst you spout studies and pseudoscience from Greenpeace. Simple fact is that although nuclear isn't perfect, does have a cost and will one day run out it is the cleanest and most effective solution to power generation in the medium to long term.

Edited by: jacksonj04

Oct 13 2009, 4:18pm Anchor

For some reason people seem to associate hydrogen bombs to power plants ...

The first nuclear power plants had some troubles because they weren't well regulated.

For example, the disaster at Cherynoble happened because the Operator was performing an experiment to see if they could supply the nation with power purely from the inertia of the turbine without using the steam generated from the reactor ...

In layman's terms, It would be sorta like seeing if you can shift out of 5th gear without using the clutch or taking your foot off the gas ... just to see if you can can make it up a hill purely with momentum. :P

The NRC seems to have an assload of regulations now to insure that shit like that doesn't happen. :P

jacksonj04 wrote:Even better, something such as a pebble bed reactor can actually be fairly close to residential areas as they fail to safe. You could remove any controlling rods, turn of the coolant systems and all it would do is self-regulate to its 'idle' temperature.

Ive heard of that ... they sounded really promising ... aren't they doing some testing in south africa or something for that?

Six_Ways
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Oct 14 2009, 2:50am Anchor
Assaultman67 wrote:
In layman's terms, It would be sorta like seeing if you can shift out of 5th gear without using the clutch or taking your foot off the gas ... just to see if you can can make it up a hill purely with momentum. :P

:lol:
That's a brilliant metaphor!

Rafenrazer
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Oct 19 2009, 12:05pm Anchor

you guys have gone waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay off topic...

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