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Apr 28 2009, 9:35pm Anchor
Dragonlord wrote:The best one just happened here in Switzerland. They carried some small container with flu virii for further examination and some dick head but the cooling ice directly in the glass instead of outside of it. Guess what somewhere along the train ride it burst so they had to quarantine all people in the entire train. Tripping part of it? It's the same train I use to get to university just that today I had been elsewhere :P

Completely awesome. haha. Do I think the swine flu out of proportion? Better to be out of proportion then when it is too late and freak out about it. There was a memo from the boss of the call center saying anti-bacterial soap will be in dispensers.... What does a virus outbreak have to do with bacteria? :eyebrow:

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Apr 28 2009, 11:09pm Anchor

Just' got a couple of Swine Flu reports over here in Massachusetts. No one died, but I'm astonished it spread up here so quickly.

I'm not gonna' worry bout' it though. It's really all hyped and paranormal due to the fucking media really.

SinKing
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Apr 29 2009, 7:16am Anchor

We can see that in case of a really deadly virus, it would spread around the globe quickly thanks to travelling, and the Swiss will be responsible for the outbreak, because they can't handle the virus container properly. I mean seriously - why do they let people handle these kind of things, who don't even  know their gear?

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Apr 29 2009, 7:38am Anchor

First death outside of mexico:

23 month old boy. 

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Apr 29 2009, 7:40am Anchor

Well it got a bit... relativated in the mean time. Seems like they had non-active virii in that container ( so none which could directly cause the disease ). Nevertheless though it's still a dick-head move to begin with.

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Apr 29 2009, 9:32am Anchor

When the news anchor talked about the World Health Organization stating that "The Virus could no longer be contained"  I snorted milk out my nose.

Sensationalist ballbags.   There's probably more people dying each day from roadside bombs in a wartorn nation, or from fucking natural causes

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Hendrix
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Apr 29 2009, 9:34am Anchor

i think it will be similar avian flu last year, it will get blown out of porportion.... but who knows!

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Mr.Kadish
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Apr 29 2009, 9:38am Anchor

Does anyone remember SARS ?

It basically shut down tourism to my homecity of Toronto, and caused this global freakout. What it amounted to was a bunch of people walking around wearing masks for a couple of days until they got bored, and a couple of old already dying people kicking the bucket.

Of course if you watched the telly they had it all dolled up like footage from a Redisent Evil film.  Cuz uh... i hear that shit sells.

Next time there's some dickless virus released on the world im going to intentionally infect myself with it and then go do a triathlon.

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Apr 29 2009, 11:22am Anchor
Vangor wrote:
Assaultman67 wrote:Ironically, it kills the people with the strongest immune system

Doubtful, though the virus isn't impeded in infection by stronger immune systems since few people have a proper immune response for this strain. Having a healthy immune system will still allow a faster response, however.



Well, ive heard young adults are the ones most at risk ... and they probably have stronger immune systems than older people or really young kids

Isn't there some viruses out there that actually cause your own immune system to kill you? ... like the virus itself does little harm, but a strong immune system attacks it so ferociously that you get a fever and die :P ...

Mr.Kadish
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Apr 29 2009, 12:01pm Anchor
Assaultman67 wrote:
Vangor wrote:
Assaultman67 wrote:Ironically, it kills the people with the strongest immune system

Doubtful, though the virus isn't impeded in infection by stronger immune systems since few people have a proper immune response for this strain. Having a healthy immune system will still allow a faster response, however.



Well, ive heard young adults are the ones most at risk ... and they probably have stronger immune systems than older people or really young kids

Isn't there some viruses out there that actually cause your own immune system to kill you? ... like the virus itself does little harm, but a strong immune system attacks it so ferociously that you get a fever and die :P ...



Isn't there some mind-destroying virus out there that spreads from person to person without any physical contact, and can be transmitted across airwaves, as well. 

Oh wait, i'm thinking of hysteria

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Apr 29 2009, 1:18pm Anchor
Assaultman67 wrote:
Vangor wrote:
Assaultman67 wrote:Ironically, it kills the people with the strongest immune system

Doubtful, though the virus isn't impeded in infection by stronger immune systems since few people have a proper immune response for this strain. Having a healthy immune system will still allow a faster response, however.



Well, ive heard young adults are the ones most at risk ... and they probably have stronger immune systems than older people or really young kids

Isn't there some viruses out there that actually cause your own immune system to kill you? ... like the virus itself does little harm, but a strong immune system attacks it so ferociously that you get a fever and die :P ...


I'd say Leukemia comes close. Your own immune systems fucks yourself up.

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Apr 29 2009, 1:50pm Anchor
Assaultman67 wrote:
Vangor wrote:
Assaultman67 wrote:Ironically, it kills the people with the strongest immune system

Doubtful, though the virus isn't impeded in infection by stronger immune systems since few people have a proper immune response for this strain. Having a healthy immune system will still allow a faster response, however.



Well, ive heard young adults are the ones most at risk ... and they probably have stronger immune systems than older people or really young kids

Isn't there some viruses out there that actually cause your own immune system to kill you? ... like the virus itself does little harm, but a strong immune system attacks it so ferociously that you get a fever and die :P ...


Your thinking of autoimmune diseases. And young adults are probably the most at risk because that demographic is the one that goes to Mexico.

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Vangor
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Apr 29 2009, 3:20pm Anchor
Assaultman67 wrote:like the virus itself does little harm, but a strong immune system attacks it so ferociously that you get a fever and die

The occurrence uttered more recently is a Cytokine Storm, but nothing but the infections and deaths of a generally comparatively healthier segment of the population fuels such speculation. Frankly, though, a person dying of a novel strain of influenza with resistance to older, more common antivirals in a nation with limited medical infrastructure is not unexpected. As well, anyone potentially contracting the virus is not unexpected since this is a novel strain. If an otherwise healthy person dies in our care, we should be able to see such an immunological response.

However, there are no such reports to my knowledge, and such a response wouldn't limit who the virus infects; Swine Flu still has similar to somewhat heightened potential to be lethal in immunocompromised individuals.

For everyone decrying the sensationalism, don't ignore WHO, CDC, NHS, etc., on these matters. Reporters give leading questions, dismantle context, use worst-case scenarios, and similar; however, you can find reports from such organizations much closer to the reality of the situation.

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Apr 29 2009, 6:14pm Anchor

News.bbc.co.uk 

aahh... well... were fucked. 

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Apr 29 2009, 10:54pm Anchor

WHO - We're running out of funding, so let's get into the media spotlight and rake what we can out of this, as much as possible.

The bubonic plague, smallpox. Those were pandemics. This is a few isolated cases of nasty man-pig-flu.

Apr 29 2009, 11:03pm Anchor

First: we are only screwed if the "Swine" flu (not actually swine) is really dangerous to humans. the reason they are so worried is that they don't know how bad it is, only that we have pretty much no immunity to it.
Second: if at all possible, let's not swing the words "Pandemic" and "1918" around in this forum. Leave the fearmongering to those who want to make money off of it.
Third: A pandemic alert level 5 means that Human-to-Human transmission is confirmed. the pandemic alert level is a measurement of how easy it is to spread, not an "OFUCKWEREGOINGTODIE-ometer"

Apr 30 2009, 8:12am Anchor

I said the exact same thing "blown out of proportion" as soon as I saw the CDC dude start yammering on tv about it pandemic my freakn ass.

izzysinz
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Apr 30 2009, 8:26am Anchor

"It is a "strong signal that a pandemic is imminent", the WHO says."
If the Who says so it must be true

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Apr 30 2009, 8:41am Anchor
izzysinz wrote:"It is a "strong signal that a pandemic is imminent", the WHO says."
If the Who says so it must be true

Kidding... Right?

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Apr 30 2009, 8:44am Anchor
Admiral_Thrawn wrote:First: we are only screwed if the "Swine" flu (not actually swine) is really dangerous to humans. the reason they are so worried is that they don't know how bad it is, only that we have pretty much no immunity to it.
Second: if at all possible, let's not swing the words "Pandemic" and "1918" around in this forum. Leave the fearmongering to those who want to make money off of it.
Third: A pandemic alert level 5 means that Human-to-Human transmission is confirmed. the pandemic alert level is a measurement of how easy it is to spread, not an "OFUCKWEREGOINGTODIE-ometer"

As far as I know level 5 is right under level 6 which is pandemic.

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Apr 30 2009, 8:46am Anchor

AIDS is a bigger threat than this.

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Apr 30 2009, 8:46am Anchor

and to get to level 6, it just needs to stay infectious for a while.

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Apr 30 2009, 6:03pm Anchor
deathbal101 wrote:and to get to level 6, it just needs to stay infectious for a while.

To be phase 6, the disease needs to be confirmed to have spread to a second region.

In case anyone is unaware, a pandemic is merely a widespread disease. The word should not be confused with an epidemic, as both the media throwing pandemic around with scary tones and those decrying the usage of pandemic appear to be doing.

Currently, Swine Flu appears to be far less virulent than our average strain of influenza, and due to our lack of protection, healthier individuals are taking precautions immediately upon developing symptoms rather than quickly spreading the virus. Merely a thought.

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Apr 30 2009, 6:47pm Anchor
Jyffeh wrote:AIDS is a bigger threat than this.

The regular flu is a bigger threat, its really just sensationalism. The regular flu adapts every year to combat our anti-virals and kills more people. So far the swine flu has killed under 200 people, the flu kills atleast triple that.

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Apr 30 2009, 6:50pm Anchor
Midnitte wrote:
Jyffeh wrote:AIDS is a bigger threat than this.

The regular flu is a bigger threat, its really just sensationalism. The regular flu adapts every year to combat our anti-virals and kills more people. So far the swine flu has killed under 200 people, the flu kills atleast triple that.


Yes but how long does it take for the flu to kill 600 people. Its taken swine flu only a few days.

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