Simple Mod For Vampire/Zombie FPS Based on New Patent? Thread

The games mentioned in this thread are much funner then this non-existent communist zombie stuff you're promoting.

And for the rest of your post; like you've been told multiple times a computer knows no ideas. A computer is a machine. It knows on/off. (i'm not talking about your power button)

If this game actually gets developed it will be too a much lesser extent then what you are talking about.

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Just do it.

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Ark

Let us consider the top ten zombie games of all time:

Destructoid.com

The "Gold 45 Revolver" mod of Left for Dead would be described at Amazon.com with:
Set in a modern day survival-horror universe, the co-operative gameplay of Left 4 Dead (L4D) casts four "Survivors" in an epic struggle against hordes of swarming zombies/communists and terrifying "Boss/Marx Infected" mutants.  A new and highly virulent strain of the rabies/Marxist virus emerges and spreads through the human population with frightening speed via words, both spoken and written. The pandemic's victims become grotesquely disfigured widely violent psychopaths, attacking the uninfected on sight by handing them pamphlets and espousing Marxist philosophies. As one of the "lucky" few apparently immune to the sickness, as you have been reading F.A. Hayek, Ludwig Von Mises, and Thomas Jefferson, you, unfortunately, are also trapped in a city crawling with thousands of the bloodthirsty Infected. Alone, you're dead. But together with a handful of fellow survivors, who you can identify and recruit via dialogue trees wherein you quote Hayek/Jefferson/the Constitution and assess the responses, you might just form a fellowship and  fight your way to safety. Players can play as a Survivor or as one of four types of Boss/Marxist Infected, each of whom possess a unique mutant ability, such as a 50-foot tongue lasso or a giant belly full of explosive methane gas. The gameplay of L4D is set across four massive campaigns. The zombie population of each mission is choreographed by an AI Director that monitors the human players' actions and creates a unique and dramatic experience for them on the fly.  Zombies may be transformed back into humans by quoting Hayek/Jefferson/et al. to them; but the further they have devolved, the harder it is to save them.  Early on in the game, some Zombies may appear to be normal humans, and the only way to find out would be to speak Hayek to them and see if they respond with Lenin.  Some of them can be reformed via dialogue, but for others, they can only be reformed by death.  And in the end--only those players who have done thier best to reform the zombies in word and deed--only those who have acted morally throughout the game, can truly wield the Gold 45 Revolver and realize its true power as it shoots Zeus's Lightning and levels the Zombie masters and their hordes. 

--Amazon.com

Now wouldn't you want to play that?  Just once?

Such simple methods/innovations could be applied to any Zombie/Vampire games, with far-ranging consequences both deepening and exalting gameplay.

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No--it's not just "politics."

Are you saying that Jefferson, Mises, and Hayek were "just" politicians?

Are you saying that the author of the Declaration of Independence and those who defined our freedoms were "just" politicians?

But don't you think a lot of people looking for depth, meaning, and romance in their games would play such a game?  A lot of people are looking for games that meann things, like Star Wars and The Matrix did.

Who wouldn't want a chance to serve Thomas Jefferson's ideals?

"I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every from of tyranny over the mind of man."

Nobeliefs.com

It is between fifty and sixty years since I read it [the Apocalypse], and I then considered it merely the ravings of a maniac, no more worthy nor capable of explanation than the incoherences of our own nightly dreams. -Thomas Jefferson, letter to General Alexander Smyth, Jan. 17, 1825

Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity. -Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782

But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg. -Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782

What is it men cannot be made to believe! -Thomas Jefferson to Richard Henry Lee, April 22, 1786. (on the British regarding America, but quoted here for its universal appeal.)

Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because if there be one he must approve of the homage of reason more than that of blindfolded fear. -Thomas Jefferson, letter to Peter Carr, August 10, 1787

Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed by inserting "Jesus Christ," so that it would read "A departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;" the insertion was rejected by the great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mohammedan, the Hindoo and Infidel of every denomination. -Thomas Jefferson, Autobiography, in reference to the Virginia Act for Religious Freedom

I concur with you strictly in your opinion of the comparative merits of atheism and demonism, and really see nothing but the latter in the being worshipped by many who think themselves Christians. -Thomas Jefferson, letter to Richard Price, Jan. 8, 1789 (Richard Price had written to TJ on Oct. 26. about the harm done by religion and wrote "Would not Society be better without Such religions? Is Atheism less pernicious than Demonism?")

I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever in religion, in philosophy, in politics, or in anything else where I was capable of thinking for myself. Such an addiction is the last degradation of a free and moral agent. -Thomas Jefferson, letter to Francis Hopkinson, March 13, 1789

They [the clergy] believe that any portion of power confided to me, will be exerted in opposition to their schemes. And they believe rightly; for I have sworn upon the altar of god, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man. But this is all they have to fear from me: and enough, too, in their opinion. -Thomas Jefferson to Dr. Benjamin Rush, Sept. 23, 1800

The Gold 45 Revolver at comicon!!

1. A method for creating video games and virtual realities wherein ideas have consequences.

13. The method in claim 1 where fighting for said ideas in word and/or deed will have consequences regarding the operation of a weapon, which will operate at its full potential for the players and characters who are the most successful in serving ideals and ideas, and rendering them in word and deed.

Google.com (Figure 15 of the patent)

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[0005]Classical principles of economics can be brought to life, including Moses' "Thou shalt not steal." A character could hear a prophet stating this on street corner, and if they heed the advice, the game is eventually won. If they ignore it, the game, and the game world, are lost. A character could impart classical wisdom such as "What does it profit a man to gain the world and lose their soul?" If the player heeds the higher ideals and seeks the higher path, then they will be rewarded not with money and jacked cars, but with their soul. And a novel weapon such as the "Gold 45 Revolver" will only glow gold when the player's soul is in tact, and the soul is in tact only when the player has made moral choices throughout the game and rendered moral word with moral deed via action in the game world. So it is that we would witness a renaissance in gaming and the exaltation of gaming as a classical art, wherein in-game characters could battle for classical ideas and ideals underlying freedom and prosperity.

Novel Weapons Implied by Invention: The Gold 45 Revolver

[0459]Imagine a game where the ultimate weapon--the gold 45 revolver--would only glow gold if the player did the right things throughout the game. The ultimate weapon would be inextricably linked to the highest moral character. Amoral or immoral characters would not be able to use the weapon. The revolver would not glow gold for amoral or immoral characters--it would never obtain its exalted, magical powers. To date, the prior art includes no weapon which only functions when the player is doing the right, or moral, thing. To date, the prior art includes no weapon which only functions to its highest potential when the player is walking the straight and narrow. To date, the prior art in video games contains no gun, nor any sort of weapon, whose higher powers are activated in proportion to the moral level of the character's character. Such a weapon may also be associated with my earlier patent application: USPTO Application #: 20070087798: Title: Morality system and method for video game: system and method for creating story, deeper meaning and emotions, enhanced characters and ai, and dramatic art in video games. Imagine the weapon of ideals and morality that could bring back the gold standard and stop all the corruption, theft, and never-ending growth of government and it accompanying demolition of those better angels of our nature. Imagine a weapon that could exalt faith, the family, and Natural Rights.

[0460]Only characters who made the correct moral choices would be afforded the priviledge of using the gold 45 revolver to its fullest power. Only characters who matched their virtuous words and deeds would be afforded the powers of the gold 45 revolver. Only characters who defined a moral world, by rendering their ideals real via action, would be afforded a gold revolver at the end. Only by moral actions would the 45 revolver ever glow gold in the hands of those who partook in moral actions throughout the game. The Gold 45 Revolver shows up in Autumn Rangers, The Real McCoy, The Tragedy of Drake Raft, The Legend of The Jolly Roger, and The Legend of McCoy Mountain. [0461]So if you climb up upon my Mountain, [0462]Looking for the Gold Revolver, [0463]Know mightier than the sword is the pen, [0464]His wife was Mary and Jesus loved her. [0465]Three Confederate sentinels were called, [0466]To kill three Union lookouts on the peaks, [0467]Two went forth in the thundering rain, one stalled, [0468]That conscience that makes us strong, makes us weak. [0469]And instead of killing the enemy, [0470]He strove for life and liberty for all, [0471]He died that night to set all of us free, [0472]The gun glowed gold as one last bluff was called. [0473]Where the sun don't shine, truth's light's in your voice, [0474]The gun glows gold when you've made the right choice.--The Legend of McCoy Mountain

The Gold 45 Revolver--A Novel Video Game Weapon

[0475]Back in the Civil War, there lived an abolitionist named Johnny Ranger McCoy. On Dec. 21, 1862, it was raining on McCoy Mountain. The next day The Battle of Glorietta Pass, known as the "Gettysburg of the West," would be fought--the tipping point of the Civil War.

[0476]A Union patrol was marching South, unaware of the 300 Confederates planning an ambush on the Union's campsite come sunrise. That night, Confederate scouts reported that three Union Sentries had been posted on three nearby peaks.

[0477]Three of the toughest Confederate soldiers were sent forth in the thundering downpour to dispatch the three Union sentries--quickly and silently. Two of them completed their task. One of them didn't.

[0478]Johnny "Ranger" McCoy, his abolitionist soul awakened by Lincoln's most eloquent words, turned himself in and disclosed the Confederacy's plans. The alerted Union troops silently flanked the Confederates before sunrise, resulting in a massacre whence the 300 Confederates were killed.

[0479]The next day, Johnny McCoy was found hanging atop the mountain, with his wife and three of his four children. Some say the Confederates hung him as a traitor. Some say the Union hung him as a Confederate. And others say he hung himself, after seeing all his friends and countrymen die upon his betrayal. But I'm thinkin' he hung himself when he returned on home to find his wife and three of his four children hanging--hung by a Union patrol. Imagine a video game with the ultimate weapon--the Golden 45 Revolver. The revolver renders the player omnipotent, and it is the only weapon that can defeat The Consortium and its formidable leader--Ramone. The FPS video game centers around finding the Golden 45 Revolver, but where is the player to look?

[0480]There is only one place to find the Gold 45 Revolver--to look within. Only players who run through the game choosing the moral actions--rendering classical ideals real and serving a higher cause--ever find it. For the Gold 45 Revolver is just a normal Colt that his handled by a moral, humble hero.

[0481]The Gold 45 Revolver

[0482]Let me tell you a story or two.

[0483]US Marine Ranger McCoy returns on home to the United States after being shot down over Afghanistan, and now he's on the run. An invention of his from grad school, APRIL, was stolen and is now a massive artificial intelligence (AI) project at the Silicon Virtue Corporation in California. Silicon Virtue wants the codes to unlock APRIL's moral soul, so that they can reprogram her. The codes are encoded on a ring Ranger wears.

[0484]After being shot down, Ranger is rescued and taken to a base in Kuwait where government officials demand the ring. His old drill sergeant helps him escape, and Ranger stows away on an ocean liner and ends up in Charleston, S.C., where posing as a janitor, he starts building a second APRIL.

[0485]When Ranger was seventeen, he went riding with his girlfriend Beatrice on her birthday way back in Ohio. On by the farms they rode their two Arabians, until Beatrice broke into a gallop. Ranger followed as the Fourth of July fireworks went off, and they came to a river.

[0486]Beatrice wanted to cross, but Ranger said it was too dark and deep. Ranger handed her a birthday present--a ring with a turquoise stone, as pretty as her eyes. And they leaned into each-other in the moonlight.

[0487]Suddenly a flashlight snapped on and three men assaulted them, thinking Ranger was also a girl because of his long hair. Beatrice got away as they bound and gagged Ranger . . . and a horse's whinny and she was back--an old Colt .45 Revolver--the one her grandfather had given her--raised. And Ranger will never forget the way it caught the moonlight, glowing not silver, but gold, as she held it steady.

[0488]"Let him up!" she yelled.

[0489]The men stood up, shining a light on her.

[0490]Suddenly one of them drew a gun and fired.

[0491]Bang! Bang! Bang! Bang!

[0492]And the three men were dead.

[0493]Beatrice cuts him loose and they hop on her horse.

[0494]"You're bleeding," he says.

[0495]"It's just a scratch . . . ." she says.

[0496]. . . And now, many years later, Ranger is building a second APRIL to contact the first before they hack into her deeper soul--a soul that was inspired by a tragic night long ago. Posing as a surfer/janitor, he lies low in Charleston, S.C., now and then going to a folksinger's show at a local cafe--Autumn Wests. She looked familiar . . . .

[0497]The agents find his lab and he's on the run again, all hope gone, with nothing left to do but drive out to California. He runs into Autumn Wests whose playing a show in Nashville, and she helps him out of a bind, recognizing him from Charleston.

[0498]So he rides with her, telling her the story; and they fall for each-other--two immortal souls striving for the natural eternity that is denied in this dumbed-down, debauched culture. Ranger gets her to stop drinking, and Autumn helps Ranger get over his fiance who cheated on him. And Autumn decides their movement--their renaissance--should have a name--Autumn Rangers.

[0499]But the ring weighs on Ranger's conscience--he has to regain control of APRIL before they fully control her, or destroy her.

[0500]APRIL is being used to run massive hedge funds and bankrupt the country, and she begins sending Roboclone agents out to seek and destroy Ranger. The Roboclones find them, but they put up a fight, and in getting the ring back from a Roboclone, Autumn puts it on. Her gun starts glowing gold, and she takes out all the RoboColones. And she remembers who she is.

[0501]It turns out that APRIL created Autumn and copied her moral soul into her; for the virtuous woman's soul is morality's natural vessel. In creating Autumn, APRIL studied the Great Books and Classics--she endowed APRIL with the moral, exalted elements of Penelope and Beatrice; of Mary Magdelane and the Virgin Mary. But something went wrong as Autumn lost her soul and her self before she met Ranger; and she took to drinking in the fallen, corrupted society. And of course, APRIL created Autumn based on Beatrice's immortal spirit--Ranger's first love from that Ohio summer long ago.

[0502]Together they must infiltrate Silicon Virtue and battle APRIL who is becoming increasingly evil, as she loses her soul to the corporate bureaucrats. APRIL has grown immensely and created an army of Roboclones; and too, entertainment executives have used APRIL to create an army of model/actresses to sell to Wall Streeters--they are all based on Autumn's DNA. And Autumn realizes that with the ring they unlock their moral soul and superpowers, and march the army into battle against APRIL, her Roboclones, and Silicon Virtue's sinister management.

[0503]Now imagine a TV series lead by Autumn and Ranger who battle forces of evil and actually have a marriage that works. Performed independently of the corrupt courts, with Ranger acting like a man and respecting Autumn, and Autumn acting like a woman and respecting Ranger. They don't lie or cheat on one-another; and the opening scene of the first season would go like this, way back in Charleston. When Ranger first shows up, he downs a few White Russians at a local club, and starts dancing with the drunken Autumn. When he comes back from a bathroom break, he finds some dude grinding on Autumn. So he punches the guy out. Another guy tries to intervene, so he punches him out to. The bouncers rush him and he takes them out, throwing all takers over tables and into the dancers, until everyone is left on the floor . . . . Imagine that Autumn wields the gold 45 revolver, just as Beatrice did, long ago, when she saved Ranger.

[0504]In The Legend of McCoy Mountain, the 45 Revolver starts glowing gold at the end in Mary's hands, as she has made the right choice as she faces down the Seventh Rider, or is it Johnny Ranger McCoy, who has returned to see her serve Justice?

What is the "heavy political bent of the game?"  Freedom?  How is freedom political? 

What is my agenda?  Freedom and liberty?  Was that not Neo's and Luke Skywalker's "agenda?"  Is there something wrong with fighting the Matrix and speaking truth to power?  Who wouldn't want to play a game wherin you can fight the Matrix/Empire and speak truth to power?

What platform am I trying to preach?  Jeffersonianism?  Austrain economics?  They all stand for liberty and freedom.

I think tons of people would want to play a game where their actions could serve liberty and freedom, and wherein they could witness the peace, freedom, and prosperity brought about by their actions.

Does this really need to be spelled out? This is a gross exaggeration, but people want to play games where they get to blow stuff up because they look at them funny, not because they're pushing paper their way. Your game is couched in political ideals ("freedom" as a state of national being), not in something visceral to the player.

I don't disagree with having more in-depth themes, like I mentioned above, but you're presenting it in a ridiculously boring fashion.

Let me make this clear too - your actions in a game serve NOTHING. It is a game and it means nothing beyond the time you turn it on and turn it off. An apt analog to your game would be one where you feed hungry people in Africa - a noble cause and one which a lot of people would agree is good - but drop-dead boring because it is MEANINGLESS since you're not actually doing anything real. There are a lot of good things that aren't "fun" - people do things because they are good and help other people, but that is diametrically opposed to the purpose of a video game, which is to entertain. There is nothing entertaining about doing virtual good for the sake of doing good.

Why, then, do we enjoy films where freedom wins out?

How come Saurron deson't win in Lord of The Rings?  How come Darth Vader/the Empire doesn't win in Star Wars?  How come the Matrix doesn't win?

All of these movies are based on "doing virtual good for the sake of doing good," and yet you claim they aren't entertaining.

Billions of people disagree.

And it's time for video games to man up and mean things too on a deeper level.  Billions of people will buy/play such games.

The mentioned movies are based on a story line. This means that everything that happens... HAS to happen. In a (sophisticated) game with choices, its different. You could choose to be nice and give a bum some fresh food and water, or you could waste him and move on with your life. Both have their meanings:
- If you choose to help the bum, he may be indebted to you for life.
- If you choose to waste him, that's one less bum to deal with in the world, who could potentially become some kind of mad murderer or something like that.

Point being, there is no "right" or "wrong", there is no "justice" or "injustice". Why? Because every (political) group may see "justice" in their own way. For example, terrorists do not agree with their government's beliefs. Does this make them bad? No, at least, not in a universal sense. Just because something is out of the ordinary (ie. government's beliefs), doesn't mean it is bad (or good). There, technically, is no such thing as a moral choice. It is simply how you are taught to behave that effects how you act upon something.

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"There is nothing in a caterpillar that tells you it's going to be a butterfly."

Gosh dang it you are just not listening now. I am going to go ahead and post that I agree with you completely and think this is a super idea, because it clearly doesn't matter what I say. I can't wait to see how this turns out because I am sure it will be fantastic, or at least it will be in whatever sort of crazy twisted reality you make of whatever people say.

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I can't read any more of that, libertariangames.. You're not defending against the things we say.
And a simple incomplete answer to what you're saying about people liking the matrix and star wars... They are NOTHING like what you are talking about.

No one is going to want to recite poetry to people to stop them from becoming a zombie. Nor will they want to do the opposite.

Edited by: ngs616

One of the tests for patentability is that the novel, useful innovation counter expert opinion, and as you guys are experts, your vehement opinions help support the patentability of the invention which will finally lend a deepr soul and meaning to video games.

"The idea is awful!  And for those of you who have valiantly although somewhat foolishly tried to get this across to him I just wouldn't bother!"

As you know, the video game world is looking for the "next big thing," and games with classical souls, character, meaning, and intergity *are* the next big thing.  Playing left 4 dead with higher pixel counts is no longer enough.

Why do you think Homer's Odyssey lasted 2800 years while video games are soon forgotten?

Somebody writes, "Reading something to someone won't turn them into a zombie. I like to think human beings aren't that impressionable."  Why then, does the corporate state seek to control all our educational institutions and dumb us down?  And wouldn't it be fun to have a video game which allowed us to fight against it?  A Russian writer writes:

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"Those lessons were taken and used to properly prepare the American populace for the surrender of their freedoms and souls, to the whims of their elites and betters.

<!-- TEXT BLOCK 3 -->First, the population was dumbed down through a politicized and substandard education system based on pop culture, rather then the classics. Americans know more about their favorite TV dramas then the drama in DC that directly affects their lives. They care more for their "right" to choke down a McDonalds burger or a BurgerKing burger than for their constitutional rights. Then they turn around and lecture us about our rights and about our "democracy". Pride blind the foolish.

<!-- TEXT BLOCK 4 -->Then their faith in God was destroyed, until their churches, all tens of thousands of different "branches and denominations" were for the most part little more then Sunday circuses and their televangelists and top protestant mega preachers were more then happy to sell out their souls and flocks to be on the "winning" side of one pseudo Marxist politician or another. Their flocks may complain, but when explained that they would be on the "winning" side, their flocks were ever so quick to reject Christ in hopes for earthly power. Even our Holy Orthodox churches are scandalously liberalized in America.

<!-- TEXT BLOCK 5 -->The final collapse has come with the election of Barack Obama. His speed in the past three months has been truly impressive. His spending and money printing has been a record setting, not just in America's short history but in the world. If this keeps up for more then another year, and there is no sign that it will not, America at best will resemble the Wiemar Republic and at worst Zimbabwe.

<!-- TEXT BLOCK 6 -->These past two weeks have been the most breath taking of all. First came the announcement of a planned redesign of the American Byzantine tax system, by the very thieves who used it to bankroll their thefts, loses and swindles of hundreds of billions of dollars. These make our Russian oligarchs look little more then ordinary street thugs, in comparison. Yes, the Americans have beat our own thieves in the shear volumes. Should we congratulate them? "

Now I can tell that all you good people would wish to play a game which allows one to fight for the soul and exalt the classical tenets of capitalism.  You would definitely wish to try it out, if only to try and deny your enjoyment and the game's greatness, which would yet sell copies of the game.

Edited by: libertariangames