Religion. Thread

Wow, what an excellent thread.

My 2c before I get drawn in.
All discussions of God are symbolic, we have no way of verbalising the concepts so the best we can do is create imperfect metaphors to convey the ideas.

On the Trinity, one explanation, not sure its been discussed here, is that of a clover, all the leaves are separate, but it is but one plant, I I like to think of them like legs arms and mouth, all serve a different purpose, and all we can perceive are the footprints, sound and movements, but they are all part of one 'entity'.

On religions misdeads.
Man is imperfect, we have to make mistakes as part of our learning process, the more mistakes you are aware of (and have been passed down to you), the better job you can do of avoiding them.

Edited by: mSparks

Roman Catholicism has everything to do with the Crusades.

This is one of the times you accept Chuch used religion to control people. Anyway, Greek Orthodoxy though was actually against Crusades, as Byzantine Empire faced its first capital fall.

Amen to that!
Now, lets review, wars that involved religion:
Crusades
Mexican War (American war, mid 1800s that was started by land claims of Texas. Why did I put this here? Well, the idea of Manifest Destiny used religion as a foundation for why America should reach the Pacific. Since James K. Polk believed in Manifest Destiny, one of his campaign promises was to gain Texas. So, in a way, religion can be blamed for it.)
WW2 - The Nazi Party hated Jews, and you know where I'm going with this...
Persian Gulf + Iraq War - A good portion of the fighting force is doing it only for religion...
Plus many more...
In turn, Religion is a death machine. Those who think otherwise...well, I can respect you are trying to hold close to your own religion, but I'm sorry to say 'you are wrong sir.'

Next?

And nevermind that people using religion to create wars are not religious at all. For antisimitism it's more than religion. You see there is something else behind wars, like win money etc.

Im Buddhist so dont blame religious war on me

I am for getting rid of polititions. to many are dishonest and courupt any way.

Religion teaches you to be honest? Cite where (you'll probably be incorrect about religion's initial hand compared to modern secular social contracts which have influenced the interpretation of religion to be in line with the people, and not vice versa), and why do you require religion to be honest? Why is chastity (without being redundant to doing good or being honest) virtuous? And what is the difference between seeking after praiseworthy things and living a boastful and prideful life? I presume you misspoke and mean the action should be its own reward, but being taught this by a religion seems to be replacing the applause of people with the applause of your imaginary friend which seems counter-productive; you can't try to win at being humble.

Don't make such hasty generalizations regarding secular society after you chide another for sweeping definitions of religion. I can find you more secular books detailing social interaction, in no ambiguous terms with explanation as opposed to arbitrary presumption, than you can find holy books, and so I would say your perspective of "outside of religion" is severely limited by your want to maintain your presumption of moral superiority. Read Leviathan, Ethics, and Age of Reason; you could create a better morality out of the premises in Prince.

By what? You are perhaps shown people are often greedy, often lie, often yell, and often boast, but the vast majority of video games, television shows, movies, books, etc., revolve around either selfless heroes/heroines or the follies of the selfish.

I have to ask as well, what teaches you to get hooked on pornography...besides pornography? I'll presume you merely mean any viewing of pornography as a problem in and of itself since you'd be hilariously overstating any real problems of pornography in a sexually healthy society.

Which is not the false religion and how do you know?

Edited by: Vangor

Vangor, he meant 'It is false that religion is a death machine.' not 'false religion is a death machine' Or did he? What is a false religion then?

Religion is a death machine. What else can you blame the crusades for other than "OMG, HOT DOGS" that everyone else seems to put. Yeah, poltics may have had a thing or two to do with wars, but isn't it really religion that drives people into killing others? Because they are nonbelievers? Because they are gay and 'god' says homosexuality is a no-no? You don't see me getting mad over people being different. I'd rather people being different than everyone being the same.

Religion is also, what I mentioned, 'trying to put everyone into the same mold of thinking', which I utterly hate, because this mold is more often than not, wrong. Crusades are wrong. Killing for no reason is wrong. Killing for someone being different is totally wrong. (And those who disagree, again, witchburning? That isn't killing people for being even slightly different? Concentration camps? That isn't killing people for being different?)

Religion is what causes people to feel abandoned. I have known several gay people that won't come out to their parents because they fear their parents will hurt them.

You are half-right. And I mean half-right because you only stated one thing correct. For one thing, calling someone pigheaded is really not good morals, so don't preach good morals when you don't have any yourself.
Secondly, you are right because religion is not only people who believe in 'god'. For instance, theres Shamans, Wiccans, etc etc that are religious. I am pagan myself so I am technically religious in a way, but the first word that comes to mind when you say 'evil religion' is 'Christians', not 'Muslims'. Just saying. I'd be pretty pissed too if someone came and stole all my stuff because they said it was theirs and it reallywasn't.

You believe we're a biological process on this planet?!
Tell me, when the 'God scientists' deployed us on Earth, why didn't they programme us to not talk about religion so we wouldn't realise we're a biological experiment?

I'm not sure what's your point,who were the "god scientists"? Is that a new religion now?      *hails to the science gods* :T
And no one put us on earth and programmed us,at least make a solid point this one cries out self-pity.
I wanted to put some stuff in this post too but we will see if you reply and with what.

P.S.Next time read the whole post not just stick to one sentance,it's not perfect but its a pretty good point.

Sincerely Yours:  =EMP=   (:

Do not over analyze simple words that I type. Emptiness inside, fear, and bad things in my life? False. I am alive, married, and going to school. I don't see anything  "empty" about any of that

There are people that decide to believe because society fails to fill the need. People, like myself, fail to see society going anywhere, in a productive way, until something is changed and until then, will continue to believe in god and a savior. Adding to the debate, no arguing here.

Edited by: w1ngzer0

Neddiedrow that made me cry,you wrote it perfect.

Note to myself:LEARN BETTER ENGLISH.

w1ngzer0 what else can i analyze,its what u wrote.
And no one is arguing not at the moment anyway. :>