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Rotten	Mar 1 2009, 1:30pm Anchor
In my opinion, religion is one very big mistake in the history of the humankind...
Kee715 I'm a gamer at heart, but I'm limited by my surroundings.	Mar 1 2009, 2:07pm Anchor
Godlessbastard.com Fstdt.com Two links that have more than all of this thread which I have seen. -- Good, bad, I'm the guy with the Minigun, Chainsaw, and a big a** Cannon.
O N L I N E Jyffeh I am arch jailbird scowl.	Mar 1 2009, 2:49pm Anchor
It looks like the last time they were updated was 1997. -- Yak.RUS wrote:We had a girl in my school that took LCD and now she thinks shes a balloon for the rest of her life.
Kee715 I'm a gamer at heart, but I'm limited by my surroundings.	Mar 1 2009, 3:28pm Anchor
Well they are not so much for looking at as reading the insane quotes. -- Good, bad, I'm the guy with the Minigun, Chainsaw, and a big a** Cannon.
Bluedrake Homebrewed Badass	Mar 2 2009, 10:40am Anchor
Then wouldn't we all be gay? If we're made in his image of course... -- >>BlueDrake42<<
FreedomBerkel Sporadic behavior analyzer	Apr 2 2009, 9:27pm Anchor
I love how people can't not bring up religion. In my opinion, I agree with the humor in Bluedrake's post, and that religion is a huge mindset problem with humanity. I'm not going to say that having a religion is wrong, I'm going to say killing other people simply because they don't have your religion is wrong. Besides, no one can truely go back and test any theory presented in any religion, so it's all just speculation anyway. Unless you have a documented source of religion proving that didn't come from a major religious text. -- Yo cats, I heard you like the cosmos and philosophy. Best of luck to ya'.
marinos	Apr 3 2009, 6:45am Anchor
Yes, actually killing people because of different religion and believes in general is wrong. Especially when most of the religions are against wars. But I think rulers of the world during all centuries used religion to control people. In Rome for instance, Popes wanted to be the only Archbishop in Earth, and clerics weren't really lovely persons during medieval ages. That lead to cut Byzantine Empire from the other countries and would differently lead to a better world.But this is a big chapter to analyze here. Edited by: marinos
Mobius89 Abitante a tempo pieno dell'Inferno Dantesco	Apr 3 2009, 1:17pm Anchor
Even if most religions are against wars you can't deny that wars caused by religions occured, are occurring and will always occur. And wars? Racism is one of the direct consequences of religious differences. No religions = less differences = less racism = less wars = more peace.
marinos	Apr 4 2009, 10:09am Anchor
If you learn to respect the others the way they are, there will be no racism. If not, then there will be racism. It all begins from the house and then from the community.
Mobius89 Abitante a tempo pieno dell'Inferno Dantesco	Apr 5 2009, 6:28am Anchor
Too optimistic. I do respect the others, but I also believe that most people don't. When discussing important matters like religion, people need to take note of what most humans are likely to do and not what they should do.
BoredGunman	Apr 5 2009, 10:44am Anchor
DJ-Ready wrote:Religion is obsolete and irrational. We don't need god or gods anymore as an excuse/explanation to make sense of things. "Hey look, its raining fire! God must be punishing us for our evil sins!1!!!1" ... "no, thats a comet" ... "BLASPHEMY! JEEBUS SAVES!" teapot theory anyone? haha Agreed..
marinos	Apr 5 2009, 1:27pm Anchor
Lol.....actually believing that god punishes people or god is used to make sense of thing is obsolete.
Mobius89 Abitante a tempo pieno dell'Inferno Dantesco	Apr 5 2009, 3:46pm Anchor
The whole "God punishes people" comes from the Old Testament. In the New one "God is good".
marinos	Apr 6 2009, 6:44am Anchor
Then they teach you wrong
O N L I N E Jyffeh I am arch jailbird scowl.	Apr 6 2009, 8:14am Anchor
marinos wrote:Then they teach you wrong No, the new and old testament Gods are like night and day to each other. I annoyed at how many people here think that standing around and scoffing at things makes you an intellectual. I'm not a christian, but the majority of all this religion hate seems to be directed at them with no basic understanding whatsoever. Most people seem even unable to draw a line between Catholicism and theism in general. -- Yak.RUS wrote:We had a girl in my school that took LCD and now she thinks shes a balloon for the rest of her life.
Profanity-Incarnate Below 9002	Apr 6 2009, 8:27am Anchor
jyeffeh has a point. research your posts before you say anything. it isnt like the good old days anymore... every 2 days there would be a colossal vangorpost proving everyone both on his side and against his side. -- RULE 34: CREEPY AS KILLER CLOWNS, BUT FUCKING AWESOME.
Mobius89 Abitante a tempo pieno dell'Inferno Dantesco	Apr 6 2009, 12:01pm Anchor
Jyffeh and deathbal101 are both right, actually. It's true that both sides have good arguments, but it's also true that the anti-evolution hyper-religious people have a way of thinking thay looks a bit arrogant to me. They keep saying stuff like this even if proving them wrong doesn't require a degree: a) Evolution is random. A) Wrong, evolution isn't random. Changes are random but the series of events and circumstances that gives more advantages to certain gene pool changes aren't that "random". b) Certain products of evolution, like the eyes, are "too perfect" to be the product of evolution itself. Therefore, there's God behind them. B) Is the eye perfect? No, it isn't - it's fragile and ridicously limited. Also, it has been proved that eyes developed over several hundred million years, starting from groups of cells that were capable of detecting the surroundings. c) Humans don't evolve, humans are perfect...were created in the image of God. C) Idiocy. Humans are fragile, humans evolve and humans aren't perfect. We can be easily dispatched by diseases, we have what remains of the tail our ancestors had and we also have problems related to the fact that the dimensions of human brain increased(for the unknowning, I'm mostly refering to teeth-related problems).
korge _shiftmod	Apr 6 2009, 12:11pm Anchor
I have spoken with several radical gay activists that hate christians and Jews. At least throw back Muslims represent the religion of peace. Oh, wait...
marinos	Apr 6 2009, 2:49pm Anchor
Mobius89 wrote:Jyffeh and deathbal101 are both right, actually. It's true that both sides have good arguments, but it's also true that the anti-evolution hyper-religious people have a way of thinking thay looks a bit arrogant to me. They keep saying stuff like this even if proving them wrong doesn't require a degree: a) Evolution is random. A) Wrong, evolution isn't random. Changes are random but the series of events and circumstances that gives more advantages to certain gene pool changes aren't that "random". b) Certain products of evolution, like the eyes, are "too perfect" to be the product of evolution itself. Therefore, there's God behind them. B) Is the eye perfect? No, it isn't - it's fragile and ridicously limited. Also, it has been proved that eyes developed over several hundred million years, starting from groups of cells that were capable of detecting the surroundings. c) Humans don't evolve, humans are perfect...were created in the image of God. C) Idiocy. Humans are fragile, humans evolve and humans aren't perfect. We can be easily dispatched by diseases, we have what remains of the tail our ancestors had and we also have problems related to the fact that the dimensions of human brain increased(for the unknowning, I'm mostly refering to teeth-related problems). a)I never said I disagree about evolution. b)sameC)People were created in the image of God....well its a bit difficult to explain in English...... in whatever has to do with soul. We were made to be like God. Actually monks( serious monks) has many times reached this. Eg. Monks Porfirios and Paisios.I have actually noticed that Catholic Church actually used the religion to control people. It actually helped to destroy Christianism in Western cultures. Orthodox Church, with its mistakes as well wan't actually doing that and helped people to keep being religious and actually get free some day.
Mobius89 Abitante a tempo pieno dell'Inferno Dantesco	Apr 6 2009, 4:59pm Anchor
Mines were examples to describe the behavior of certain pro-religion guys who show extremely poor knowledge of the theories they want to accuse at all costs. Church is led by humans, and influent ones I may add. I would never, ever trust them.
marinos	Apr 7 2009, 7:18am Anchor
Well, for me Church is not led by anyone. People and God are the Church together. The fact that Popes wanted to lead all world churches is actually a mistake of history. But the fact that priests in general a lot of times become less religious than ordinary people is actually true. Anyway, I was yesterday reading about prophecies that happened and will happen, and I was actuaaly impressed. But these are not to impress us, but are the most powerful evidence of the existance of God.
Wiweeyum That one you just sorta' know.	Apr 7 2009, 10:17am Anchor
Mobius89 wrote:Church is led by humans, and influent ones I may add. I would never, ever trust them. I can understand the hesitancy of not up and joining a church when it's run by man instead of God, where religion becomes a front for business almost (or really). I'd feel cheated and see the folks in charge as untrustworthy. There is a pattern throughout the bible though where the church was led by people, so long as they are constantly in direct communication with God. Why would the church be any different today than it was back then? Has anything changed from the bibles times 'til now as far as Gods domain is concerned? Would it not be logical to assume that God still works the same way he did back then? Wouldn't God speak to us today the exact same way he always has in the past? I don't know why he wouldn't to be honest. The true church has always had organization, it's never been "church" without leaders that correctly portray the affairs of God in an organized fashion. Just look at the examples of Moses, a human leader under constant scrutiny of God. Abraham, a human leader under constant direction from God. Peter the apostle that became leader of the church when Christ was crucified, a human under direct direction from God. Even Christ was under constant guidance from his Lord... (and no, I don't think Jesus Christ and God are the same person, that would make Christ pretty schizofrenic). Amos put it pretty well in Amos 3:7 where it says that God wouldn't do anything unless he tells a prophet first. A prophet isn't some soothsayer or creepy person like that, but instead is just someone called by God directly to lead over the affairs of the church (organized) on this earth. If this prophet starts telling you to do things that God wouldn't tell you to do, then this person isn't following Gods direction. So how do we know when a person is called of God and should be trusted like Mobius said? In Matthew 7:15-20, it says to beware of false prophets (the ones that are hypocritial and are out for personal gain, gratification, etc.) and to look at their "fruits", or their actions and teachings etc., to see if they match what God is saying. He compares it to a tree when he says "every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit." The logic is pretty straight forward. If everything the prophet says (and does... it's important to look at what they do) is true and good, then he's a good tree. And vice versa. Blind faith and obedience is an untrue doctrine, and anyone who joins a church simply because someone said to do so without first scrutinizing every piece of doctrine against scripture and how it makes us feel inside (together at the same time... not one dominant over the other) is just begging to be taken advantage of. This is about salvation, not some scam! The church and its leaders should be perfect in their setup... everything should match up with what has already been done in the Bible... there's quite a track record to pull from to analyze whether or not the church is true or a scam created by some false prophet like Amos cautions us to avoid. God wants us to find the right church, and if we don't know which one that is, we can ask him directly. James 1:5 says "If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him." Or in other words if we don't know something, in this case whether or not church (in the organized sense of the word) is even good, then we can ask God (directly) and he'll answer us. Then it says that God gives liberally to everyone, and won't think us stupid or petty for asking. Why does he answer us? Because he's never changed from day one of this earth to today. Edited by: Wiweeyum
ZiroBurno	Apr 7 2009, 10:50am Anchor
@Mobius89: You really shouldn't take all the words of Church leaders as 100% the-best-and-unbiased-way; resaerch yourself. That's what God's Word is there for. If we all followed what people said we'd be running around in circles, not knowing what was wrong or right. If they say something, check it up with the Word.
Mobius89 Abitante a tempo pieno dell'Inferno Dantesco	Apr 9 2009, 1:20pm Anchor
I suggest you to find out what the Church did in the past centuries. I'm not refering to the Crusades and the inquisitors, only - I'm also refering to certain christianity-related matters. Do you know that many characteristics of both the Holy Mary and Jesus (as we know them) have been decided during several Councils? What does it suggests? Although I respect the Popes (most of their messages are quite interesting and useful) I don't like they spend a lot of money on travels, events' organizations, etc. etc. Shouldn't they use the money to help the poor people out instead? Doesn't that bug people with common sense?
Wiweeyum That one you just sorta' know.	Apr 9 2009, 3:02pm Anchor
Mobius89 wrote:I suggest you to find out what the Church did in the past centuries. I'm not refering to the Crusades and the inquisitors, only - I'm also refering to certain christianity-related matters. Do you know that many characteristics of both the Holy Mary and Jesus (as we know them) have been decided during several Councils? What does it suggests? Although I respect the Popes (most of their messages are quite interesting and useful) I don't like they spend a lot of money on travels, events' organizations, etc. etc. Shouldn't they use the money to help the poor people out instead? Doesn't that bug people with common sense? I know a lot more than you'd think. Instead of throwing out vague large sweeping comments about councils etc, let's talk about the councils and why they're crap. And let's talk about money and how it's used by the different churches. Let's look at facts instead of opinions, okay? -- "Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius -- and a lot of courage -- to move in the opposite direction." - EF Schumacher

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Rotten

Mar 1 2009, 1:30pm Anchor

In my opinion, religion is one very big mistake in the history of the humankind...

Kee715 I'm a gamer at heart, but I'm limited by my surroundings.

Mar 1 2009, 2:07pm Anchor

Godlessbastard.com

Fstdt.com

Two links that have more than all of this thread which I have seen.

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Good, bad, I'm the guy with the Minigun, Chainsaw, and a big a** Cannon.

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Jyffeh I am arch jailbird scowl.

Mar 1 2009, 2:49pm Anchor

It looks like the last time they were updated was 1997.

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Yak.RUS wrote:We had a girl in my school that took LCD and now she thinks shes a balloon for the rest of her life.

Kee715 I'm a gamer at heart, but I'm limited by my surroundings.

Mar 1 2009, 3:28pm Anchor

Well they are not so much for looking at as reading the insane quotes.

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Good, bad, I'm the guy with the Minigun, Chainsaw, and a big a** Cannon.

Bluedrake Homebrewed Badass

Mar 2 2009, 10:40am Anchor

Then wouldn't we all be gay?
If we're made in his image of course...

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>>BlueDrake42<<

FreedomBerkel Sporadic behavior analyzer

Apr 2 2009, 9:27pm Anchor

I love how people can't not bring up religion. In my opinion, I agree with the humor in Bluedrake's post, and that religion is a huge mindset problem with humanity. I'm not going to say that having a religion is wrong, I'm going to say killing other people simply because they don't have your religion is wrong. Besides, no one can truely go back and test any theory presented in any religion, so it's all just speculation anyway. Unless you have a documented source of religion proving that didn't come from a major religious text.

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Yo cats, I heard you like the cosmos and philosophy.

Best of luck to ya'.

marinos

Apr 3 2009, 6:45am Anchor

Yes, actually killing people because of different religion and believes in general is wrong. Especially when most of the religions are against wars. But I think rulers of the world during all centuries used religion to control people. In Rome for instance, Popes wanted to be the only Archbishop in Earth, and clerics weren't really lovely persons during medieval ages. That lead to cut Byzantine Empire from the other countries and would differently lead to a better world.But this is a big chapter to analyze here.

Edited by: marinos

Mobius89 Abitante a tempo pieno dell'Inferno Dantesco

Apr 3 2009, 1:17pm Anchor

Even if most religions are against wars you can't deny that wars caused by religions occured, are occurring and will always occur.

And wars? Racism is one of the direct consequences of religious differences. No religions = less differences = less racism = less wars = more peace.

marinos

Apr 4 2009, 10:09am Anchor

If you learn to respect the others the way they are, there will be no racism. If not, then there will be racism. It all begins from the house and then from the community.

Mobius89 Abitante a tempo pieno dell'Inferno Dantesco

Apr 5 2009, 6:28am Anchor

Too optimistic. I do respect the others, but I also believe that most people don't. When discussing important matters like religion, people need to take note of what most humans are likely to do and not what they should do.

BoredGunman

Apr 5 2009, 10:44am Anchor

DJ-Ready wrote:Religion is obsolete and irrational.
We don't need god or gods anymore as an excuse/explanation to make sense of things.

"Hey look, its raining fire! God must be punishing us for our evil sins!1!!!1" ... "no, thats a comet" ... "BLASPHEMY! JEEBUS SAVES!"

teapot theory anyone? haha

Agreed..

marinos

Apr 5 2009, 1:27pm Anchor

Lol.....actually believing that god punishes people or god is used to make sense of thing is obsolete.

Mobius89 Abitante a tempo pieno dell'Inferno Dantesco

Apr 5 2009, 3:46pm Anchor

The whole "God punishes people" comes from the Old Testament. In the New one "God is good".

marinos

Apr 6 2009, 6:44am Anchor

Then they teach you wrong

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Jyffeh I am arch jailbird scowl.

Apr 6 2009, 8:14am Anchor

marinos wrote:Then they teach you wrong

No, the new and old testament Gods are like night and day to each other.

I annoyed at how many people here think that standing around and scoffing at things makes you an intellectual. I'm not a christian, but the majority of all this religion hate seems to be directed at them with no basic understanding whatsoever. Most people seem even unable to draw a line between Catholicism and theism in general.

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Yak.RUS wrote:We had a girl in my school that took LCD and now she thinks shes a balloon for the rest of her life.

Profanity-Incarnate Below 9002

Apr 6 2009, 8:27am Anchor

jyeffeh has a point. research your posts before you say anything. it isnt like the good old days anymore... every 2 days there would be a colossal vangorpost proving everyone both on his side and against his side.

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RULE 34: CREEPY AS KILLER CLOWNS, BUT FUCKING AWESOME.

Mobius89 Abitante a tempo pieno dell'Inferno Dantesco

Apr 6 2009, 12:01pm Anchor

Jyffeh and deathbal101 are both right, actually.

It's true that both sides have good arguments, but it's also true that the anti-evolution hyper-religious people have a way of thinking thay looks a bit arrogant to me. They keep saying stuff like this even if proving them wrong doesn't require a degree:

a) Evolution is random.

A) Wrong, evolution isn't random. Changes are random but the series of events and circumstances that gives more advantages to certain gene pool changes aren't that "random".

b) Certain products of evolution, like the eyes, are "too perfect" to be the product of evolution itself. Therefore, there's God behind them.

B) Is the eye perfect? No, it isn't - it's fragile and ridicously limited. Also, it has been proved that eyes developed over several hundred million years, starting from groups of cells that were capable of detecting the surroundings.

c) Humans don't evolve, humans are perfect...were created in the image of God.

C) Idiocy. Humans are fragile, humans evolve and humans aren't perfect. We can be easily dispatched by diseases, we have what remains of the tail our ancestors had and we also have problems related to the fact that the dimensions of human brain increased(for the unknowning, I'm mostly refering to teeth-related problems).

korge _shiftmod

Apr 6 2009, 12:11pm Anchor

I have spoken with several radical gay activists that hate christians and Jews.

At least throw back Muslims represent the religion of peace.

Oh, wait...

:beer:

marinos

Apr 6 2009, 2:49pm Anchor

Mobius89 wrote:Jyffeh and deathbal101 are both right, actually.

It's true that both sides have good arguments, but it's also true that the anti-evolution hyper-religious people have a way of thinking thay looks a bit arrogant to me. They keep saying stuff like this even if proving them wrong doesn't require a degree:

a) Evolution is random.

A) Wrong, evolution isn't random. Changes are random but the series of events and circumstances that gives more advantages to certain gene pool changes aren't that "random".

b) Certain products of evolution, like the eyes, are "too perfect" to be the product of evolution itself. Therefore, there's God behind them.

B) Is the eye perfect? No, it isn't - it's fragile and ridicously limited. Also, it has been proved that eyes developed over several hundred million years, starting from groups of cells that were capable of detecting the surroundings.

c) Humans don't evolve, humans are perfect...were created in the image of God.

C) Idiocy. Humans are fragile, humans evolve and humans aren't perfect. We can be easily dispatched by diseases, we have what remains of the tail our ancestors had and we also have problems related to the fact that the dimensions of human brain increased(for the unknowning, I'm mostly refering to teeth-related problems).

a)I never said I disagree about evolution.
b)sameC)People were created in the image of God....well its a bit difficult to explain in English...... in whatever has to do with soul. We were made to be like God. Actually monks( serious monks) has many times reached this. Eg. Monks Porfirios and Paisios.I have actually noticed that Catholic Church actually used the religion to control people. It actually helped to destroy Christianism in Western cultures. Orthodox Church, with its mistakes as well wan't actually doing that and helped people to keep being religious and actually get free some day.

Mobius89 Abitante a tempo pieno dell'Inferno Dantesco

Apr 6 2009, 4:59pm Anchor

Mines were examples to describe the behavior of certain pro-religion guys who show extremely poor knowledge of the theories they want to accuse at all costs.

Church is led by humans, and influent ones I may add. I would never, ever trust them.

marinos

Apr 7 2009, 7:18am Anchor

Well, for me Church is not led by anyone. People and God are the Church together. The fact that Popes wanted to lead all world churches is actually a mistake of history. But the fact that priests in general a lot of times become less religious than ordinary people is actually true. Anyway, I was yesterday reading about prophecies that happened and will happen, and I was actuaaly impressed. But these are not to impress us, but are the most powerful evidence of the existance of God.

Wiweeyum That one you just sorta' know.

Apr 7 2009, 10:17am Anchor

Mobius89 wrote:Church is led by humans, and influent ones I may add. I would never, ever trust them.

I can understand the hesitancy of not up and joining a church when it's run by man instead of God, where religion becomes a front for business almost (or really). I'd feel cheated and see the folks in charge as untrustworthy.

There is a pattern throughout the bible though where the church was led by people, so long as they are constantly in direct communication with God. Why would the church be any different today than it was back then? Has anything changed from the bibles times 'til now as far as Gods domain is concerned? Would it not be logical to assume that God still works the same way he did back then? Wouldn't God speak to us today the exact same way he always has in the past? I don't know why he wouldn't to be honest. The true church has always had organization, it's never been "church" without leaders that correctly portray the affairs of God in an organized fashion. Just look at the examples of Moses, a human leader under constant scrutiny of God. Abraham, a human leader under constant direction from God. Peter the apostle that became leader of the church when Christ was crucified, a human under direct direction from God. Even Christ was under constant guidance from his Lord... (and no, I don't think Jesus Christ and God are the same person, that would make Christ pretty schizofrenic). Amos put it pretty well in Amos 3:7 where it says that God wouldn't do anything unless he tells a prophet first.

A prophet isn't some soothsayer or creepy person like that, but instead is just someone called by God directly to lead over the affairs of the church (organized) on this earth. If this prophet starts telling you to do things that God wouldn't tell you to do, then this person isn't following Gods direction. So how do we know when a person is called of God and should be trusted like Mobius said? In Matthew 7:15-20, it says to beware of false prophets (the ones that are hypocritial and are out for personal gain, gratification, etc.) and to look at their "fruits", or their actions and teachings etc., to see if they match what God is saying. He compares it to a tree when he says "every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit." The logic is pretty straight forward. If everything the prophet says (and does... it's important to look at what they do) is true and good, then he's a good tree. And vice versa.

Blind faith and obedience is an untrue doctrine, and anyone who joins a church simply because someone said to do so without first scrutinizing every piece of doctrine against scripture and how it makes us feel inside (together at the same time... not one dominant over the other) is just begging to be taken advantage of. This is about salvation, not some scam! The church and its leaders should be perfect in their setup... everything should match up with what has already been done in the Bible... there's quite a track record to pull from to analyze whether or not the church is true or a scam created by some false prophet like Amos cautions us to avoid.

God wants us to find the right church, and if we don't know which one that is, we can ask him directly. James 1:5 says "If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him." Or in other words if we don't know something, in this case whether or not church (in the organized sense of the word) is even good, then we can ask God (directly) and he'll answer us. Then it says that God gives liberally to everyone, and won't think us stupid or petty for asking. Why does he answer us? Because he's never changed from day one of this earth to today.

Edited by: Wiweeyum

ZiroBurno

Apr 7 2009, 10:50am Anchor

@Mobius89: You really shouldn't take all the words of Church leaders as 100% the-best-and-unbiased-way; resaerch yourself. That's what God's Word is there for. If we all followed what people said we'd be running around in circles, not knowing what was wrong or right. If they say something, check it up with the Word.

Mobius89 Abitante a tempo pieno dell'Inferno Dantesco

Apr 9 2009, 1:20pm Anchor

I suggest you to find out what the Church did in the past centuries. I'm not refering to the Crusades and the inquisitors, only - I'm also refering to certain christianity-related matters. Do you know that many characteristics of both the Holy Mary and Jesus (as we know them) have been decided during several Councils? What does it suggests?

Although I respect the Popes (most of their messages are quite interesting and useful) I don't like they spend a lot of money on travels, events' organizations, etc. etc. Shouldn't they use the money to help the poor people out instead? Doesn't that bug people with common sense?

Wiweeyum That one you just sorta' know.

Apr 9 2009, 3:02pm Anchor

Mobius89 wrote:I suggest you to find out what the Church did in the past centuries. I'm not refering to the Crusades and the inquisitors, only - I'm also refering to certain christianity-related matters. Do you know that many characteristics of both the Holy Mary and Jesus (as we know them) have been decided during several Councils? What does it suggests?

Although I respect the Popes (most of their messages are quite interesting and useful) I don't like they spend a lot of money on travels, events' organizations, etc. etc. Shouldn't they use the money to help the poor people out instead? Doesn't that bug people with common sense?

I know a lot more than you'd think. Instead of throwing out vague large sweeping comments about councils etc, let's talk about the councils and why they're crap. And let's talk about money and how it's used by the different churches. Let's look at facts instead of opinions, okay?

--

"Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius -- and a lot of courage -- to move in the opposite direction."
- EF Schumacher