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Jul 21 2012, 9:51pm Anchor
ambershee wrote:
Reqieumthefallen wrote:
ambershee wrote:The downside is that all games apparently have to adopt a 'free to play' model :/

That isn't a downside. The free to play means either a demo or F2P full version of the game. So you try it, then you can buy it. Its almost like developers should be making demos for most of their games anyway... ones that players can actually play rather than watch at PAX, Gamescom, and/or E3...


Having a demo isn't "free to play", and I'm sure almost everyone will agree. Thankfully it's been clarified this does not have to be the case.


I think there should be a new rule in the industry where by when ever people mention Free To Play in text it should be labeled correctly as Free-To-Play* with the * referring to there being a catch (usually in the form of there being some kind of item shop/monetization of gameplay) :D whereas a free demo is quite literally a free demo, no catches- its more free to play than actual free-to-play*. I'm pretty sure the majority of devs have abandoned the advertisement model (which unfortunately wasn't very profitable, but didn't require any catches) completely at this stage. We can blame Zynga mostly for that lol.

That's a bit off topic anyway.

Edited by: formerlyknownasMrCP

Jul 23 2012, 3:06pm Anchor

Biggest problem I'd have with something like this, is that it being an open console almost definitely means that there will be just as much if not more piracy than on the PC. That I think will discourage a lot of developers from putting their game on it.

Other than that though, I think it's a fantastic idea. It'd also be cool if a big console came out that wasn't by Nintendo, Sony, or Microsoft. So yeah, I wish this project well, but I can't help but feel that games on it won't do well at all...

epicbox
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Jul 23 2012, 11:46pm Anchor

My only comment would be a statement of how ridiculous OUYA sounds, really.

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Jul 24 2012, 12:24am Anchor

I think it might just succeed. This kind of console will appeal to modders, indie developers, and anyone who doesn't like the huge entry requirements of the other consoles. People like freedom, and this can work as long as it's marketed right.

TheUnabridgedGamer
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Jul 24 2012, 10:20am Anchor
epicbox wrote:My only comment would be a statement of how ridiculous OUYA sounds, really.

Still doesn't sound like an insult.

Wii-U! <--- example

TKAzA
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Jul 24 2012, 6:21pm Anchor
formerlyknownasMrCP wrote:
I think there should be a new rule in the industry where by when ever people mention Free To Pay in text it should be labeled correctly as Free-To-Pay* with the * referring to there being a catch... 

Corrected a few spelling errors.

TheUnabridgedGamer
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Jul 24 2012, 7:47pm Anchor

If all anybody does is criticize F2P games then how will they ever get better? You don't like how they are? Then go ahead and try and fix it. Go right on ahead. Put some effort behind those words.

TKAzA
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Jul 25 2012, 12:19pm Anchor

As its been said F2P can and does work, when executed in a novel manner that doesn't impact on gameplay or bottleneck the player into purchasing things he may not need or want in the future.

The reason F2P got such a bad wrap, it's been flooded with shitty games in a attempt to make a quick buck, you cant fix f2p cos it aint broken, what is broken is the games industry, were its gone from being peoples passion to make and play games...to a golden pot of easy money...

Vgsales.wikia.com

Greed ruined the economy and it will ruin the games industry... with crappy remakes and big companies buying out true creative talent. :(

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Jul 25 2012, 12:44pm Anchor

I agree with TKAzA, 
Companies should look at games such as Team Fortress 2, League of Legends, Blacklight and even Tribes and aspire to be like these handful of games that show that F2P is a viable option instead of Pay to Win games.

Jul 25 2012, 10:16pm Anchor

Agreed with TKAzA also. F2P is a great thing, its just there's very few developers prepared to actually do the right bloody thing in this industry. As a result there is a sea of shit games and its rather difficult to find good ones that actually do it right.

Someone wrote:Companies should look at games such as Team Fortress 2, League of Legends, Blacklight and even Tribes and aspire to be like these handful of games that show that F2P is a viable option instead of Pay to Win games.

Agreed as well, well not so much TF2 (given the balancing problems its caused) but LoL and Tribes definitely are the best examples of it actually working. (I'm hoping we'll see something similar with Planetside once that's released too, that game looks bloody amazing).

Jul 31 2012, 4:26pm Anchor

I don't like the fact onlive is preinstalled.
The dudes that donated are now like "OHSH" instead of "OUYA".

Aug 19 2012, 7:11am Anchor

OUYA is just great in my opinion. The Technical Specifications aren't the best to be honest, but the overall concept is great. I like the fact that indie developers will have have a new platform to develop for. I also love the design and the games which were confirmed so far. I support a lot of games which are currently looking for funding and will be on ouya.

I am wondering if we have any backers here, I myself backed $140 for the limited edition. I am really excited to get my tiny ouya 8)

Aug 19 2012, 8:47am Anchor

the technical specifications are what really put me off, right now its nothing more than an android ish phone turned into a console

TheUnabridgedGamer
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Aug 19 2012, 11:45am Anchor
alvarofer0021 wrote:the technical specifications are what really put me off, right now its nothing more than an android ish phone turned into a console

Yes but take into account that people still insist some games from the NES era were better than ones we have now. With Android/iOS games like Horn, Infinity Blade, and Dark Meadow coming into existence, the whole "android-ish PC as a console" might actually work out. Also keep in mind they've already shown preview images with Samuri II, Shadwo Gun, and Dead Trigger.

SinKing
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Aug 19 2012, 12:18pm Anchor

Ouya is interesting for developers for several reasons. One of them is streaming games through the platform. That's a service that will be enhanced greatly by a console that encourages signing up for such a service. On the hardware side it appeals to casual gamers, but also modders of all kinds. This is a console that can actually be modified and changed, which brings something new to the table.

Considering the issue of F2P games. I think they are really criminal to some extend. Because people will spend far too much time into grinding and farming items, before they realize, in the end they'll have to pay for something decent anyway. F2P changed gaming from being fun and throughful challenges (that the developers took pride in), into mindless repetition and cosmetic improvements. Yet, cashshops thrive and the formula is working. It's a sad formula, though.

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Dragonlord
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Aug 19 2012, 4:35pm Anchor

Actually F2P is a rip-off since in the end (or rather quickly actually) customers pay a hundret times more than if they bought the game as a single copy. The same crime is going on with DLCs now.

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Aug 19 2012, 6:35pm Anchor

I am suprised how much they raised money in that short time... Everything has cons and pros... I agree with Dragonlords opinion that DLCs and F2P(aka P4W actually) are rip-offs... Literally and almost in all games probavly. Team Fortress 2 is only real good F2P and BlackLight Retribution probavly...

I expect maybe ports of Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory, MechWarrior 4(since its freeware), Warzone 2100, UFO:Alien Invasion, Warsow and some other freeware games that have own community and are kinda popular... Its sad that freeware games dint get large community like triple AAA unimaginative ripoffs...

Warzone 2100 beats Starcraft 1 and 2 without any problem. Warsow is superior Quake 3 Arena but sadly without any anti-cheat system, UFO:Alien Invasion is great TBS and got influence and desing from x-com series... Wolfenstein Enemy Territory has large community and it could be like battlefield since Eastern Front mod for W:ET supports vehicles. IDK if somebody is still playing Eastern Front. W:ET mod True Combat Elite was made before COD:MW and it has roots from Quake 3 Arena modding when it was known as True Combat, I think COD:MW gameplay is ripoff of TCE as its so similar. Maybe COD:MW devs created gameplay like True Combat Elite??

Anyway I expect that this console gets finished and since it has much more funding then more better chips would be nice. I dont like stuff from Nvidia in Ouya, I will always have a felling if I buy Ouya that it will die in matters of couple of months. They should ask S3 Graphics to make chip for their console as S3 Graphics can make very good GPU that costs less then others GPUs with same performance. For CPU I would always reccomend AMD as its more secure, less polutive and more durable.

The look of console should be kinda changed, just the "box", the joystick is fine... The box is fucked up... I got felling that I am looking at something fugly and got felling of smashing it even thought its just a picture for now :P

I hope that people start acting more coperative. I am sick of so many mods that have few members and die... People should join up but no fuckers what independence because I want my own vision I dont want something universal because I am a dick :P

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TheUnabridgedGamer
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Aug 19 2012, 7:01pm Anchor
Dragonlord wrote:Actually F2P is a rip-off since in the end (or rather quickly actually) customers pay a hundret times more than if they bought the game as a single copy. The same crime is going on with DLCs now.


That's really interesting since I've paid nothing in Jetpack Joyride after playing it for nearly a year now when I'm bored, along with Infinity Blade and Dead Space iOS. Oh and Vindictus. And TF2. And Sword of the New World back in the day. And Runescape. And -- well I think I've made my point.

Dragonlord
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Aug 19 2012, 7:59pm Anchor
Reqieumthefallen wrote:
Dragonlord wrote:Actually F2P is a rip-off since in the end (or rather quickly actually) customers pay a hundret times more than if they bought the game as a single copy. The same crime is going on with DLCs now.


That's really interesting since I've paid nothing in Jetpack Joyride after playing it for nearly a year now when I'm bored, along with Infinity Blade and Dead Space iOS. Oh and Vindictus. And TF2. And Sword of the New World back in the day. And Runescape. And -- well I think I've made my point.


There are exceptions to the rule obviously. I'm also somebody who never paid a single dime for F2P games. The reality though is that majority of people have an IQ less than a stone. I know people spending 100$+ a month on F2P in one game alone and that's the norm not the exception. The mean thing is the little payments are not looking like expensive but if you do this every now and then you sum up a lot of expenses without actually noticing it. Game developers know this and actively abuse this "defect" existing with majority of customers. I call this an ethic "fuck-you" but not all think like that.

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TheUnabridgedGamer
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Aug 20 2012, 9:12pm Anchor
Dragonlord wrote:
Reqieumthefallen wrote:
Dragonlord wrote:Actually F2P is a rip-off since in the end (or rather quickly actually) customers pay a hundret times more than if they bought the game as a single copy. The same crime is going on with DLCs now.


That's really interesting since I've paid nothing in Jetpack Joyride after playing it for nearly a year now when I'm bored, along with Infinity Blade and Dead Space iOS. Oh and Vindictus. And TF2. And Sword of the New World back in the day. And Runescape. And -- well I think I've made my point.


There are exceptions to the rule obviously. I'm also somebody who never paid a single dime for F2P games. The reality though is that majority of people have an IQ less than a stone. I know people spending 100$+ a month on F2P in one game alone and that's the norm not the exception. The mean thing is the little payments are not looking like expensive but if you do this every now and then you sum up a lot of expenses without actually noticing it. Game developers know this and actively abuse this "defect" existing with majority of customers. I call this an ethic "fuck-you" but not all think like that.



If someone's stupid enough to buy the credits and power nodes for Dead Space iOS, then there's nothing going to stop them from being stupid. I realize the behavior isn't good, especially when you consider the developer knows that some people won't like it, but I also can't blame all F2P devs. That said, screw you Zynga, you're lucky you published Horn.

Dragonlord
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Aug 21 2012, 7:23am Anchor
Reqieumthefallen wrote:If someone's stupid enough to buy the credits and power nodes for Dead Space iOS, then there's nothing going to stop them from being stupid. I realize the behavior isn't good, especially when you consider the developer knows that some people won't like it, but I also can't blame all F2P devs. That said, screw you Zynga, you're lucky you published Horn.

There seem to be though a lot of stupid people as F2P is quite a popular business model.

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TheUnabridgedGamer
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Aug 21 2012, 6:03pm Anchor
Dragonlord wrote:
Reqieumthefallen wrote:If someone's stupid enough to buy the credits and power nodes for Dead Space iOS, then there's nothing going to stop them from being stupid. I realize the behavior isn't good, especially when you consider the developer knows that some people won't like it, but I also can't blame all F2P devs. That said, screw you Zynga, you're lucky you published Horn.

There seem to be though a lot of stupid people as F2P is quite a popular business model.


Welcome to the sad truth that is reality.

Aug 22 2012, 9:26pm Anchor

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TheUnabridgedGamer
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Aug 22 2012, 11:19pm Anchor
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Amen brotha'!

Aug 23 2012, 12:39am Anchor
x3nu wrote:*snip*

The weather is quite nice here on mars this time of year.

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