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Jan 21 2013, 5:45pm Anchor

Hi indie devs, I'm new here. I joined today because I needed a development partner here: tinyurl[dot]com/b8jqttp
Anyway, religion is a hot topic, and by no means do I want to bring about hostility and stuff on these forums. However, I know there are people out there searching for more than life, searching for the answers to questions like why are we here? Why do we die? What happens to me after death? Is there a God? I want to help those people and everyone else because religion really can be a life changer. But what kind of religion am I talking about?

There are many false religions out there with some really false practices. Regardless, I'm inviting you to look into the first religion on earth, the 100% truth -- submission to God. What is submission to God? In arabic, it's called Islam. Now I need you to be open minded here, because nowadays people have a picture in their mind of Islam being a violent, terrorist, crazy religion. That's not Islam. That's what the media implies Islam is.

So I'm going to talk about what Islam is in the following paragraph, but I ask that if you don't believe it and you don't like it and you don't want to learn more about it, leave me alone. This is for people who want to know:

For a start, Islam is strictly monotheistic. We believe in 1 God (in arabic, Allah) Who created everything, Who is unseen in this world, and has No partners. We believe in all the messengers and prophets from Adam (pbuh) all the way to Muhammad (pbuh), including Jesus (pbuh). We do not believe Jesus (pbuh) and his mother (pbuh) as having any sort of divinity. Islam teaches to pray to Allah 5 times a day (when you are guided to Islam, it's really easy) and to fast the 30 days of the month of Ramadhaan. Islam teaches us to give zakaah (annual compulsory charity) to balance the distribution of wealth, and to make Hajj (a pilgrimage to Makkah) once in our lifetime. All 5 of these things (including belief in Allah, the One True God) are known as the 5 pillars of Islam. Islam also teaches us to be truthful, not cheat, steal, or lie, to be good to our parents, to be educated, etc. - good morals. Islam also teaches us to not tolerate oppression and tyrants, and to be kind and gentle with others.

I don't want to say much more because there are some better resources for you guys to learn. So here are two resources for further information:
islamicity[dot]com/education/understandingislamandmuslims/ (Understanding Islam and Muslims)
routetoislam[dot]org (Addresses hot topics like does God exist, Muhammad in the bible, etc.)

Thanks for your time, and I hope this was a good read. If you have honest, sincere questions, feel free to post them here or go here: whyislam[dot]org/services/877-why-islam-toll-free-hotline/

Edited by: kufiapps

SinKing
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Jan 26 2013, 6:07am Anchor

What you fail to grasp is that in a modern western state and society, religion is not important. In an enlightened state there is at least a clear separation between religion and state. That is what Europe and the USA pride themselves on: having made that transition (after the dark ages) to become a saecular state. Islamic movements that brutally enforce barbaric rites and rule with the weapon are completely ridiculous to any European. Why would we want that? What can Islam offer that is better and more progressive than what we have. In my oppinion, we'd better get rid of religion alltogether and accept that there may be one or thousands gods, but what has been written and is known about god, has always been man's interpretation. It's a fiction, if you want so.

And yet we see people dying and fighting for these goals, which are no goals, at all. Instead of turning to religion for help, turn to social and political platforms and make sure you are getting heard. I realize the world is spiraling downwards, due to industrious and greedy people. But what better is it gonna get, if we turn towards a religion? Salvation doesn't come from praying, but from doing! Religion will only help us within that group and by obeying all the religion's rules exactly, forfeiting our freedom nd ignoring the rest of society. Religion isolates you, if you decide to make it more than a private matter. 

Do you really think, in the future, there will be rocketships and people living on Mars, while people are getting stoned to death and women are forbidden from showing their faces? I'd like to see what visions Islam has to offer for the future, because it seems all Islam does is look back at the good old days, when the prophets were around to guide us. Well, guide yourself and screw religion was the lesson from that. You didn't hear that lesson, have you?

Edited by: SinKing

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Jan 26 2013, 9:20am Anchor

seriously? did that guy just spammed religious crap on indiedb ? dude, get over it. religion is the n.1 cause of wars on Earth and let's be honest, yours is probably the one that's the most prehistoric and degrading.
please don't post about religions, especially on indiedb. it just makes most people angry (including me) and it wastes everyone time

JigsawPieces
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Jan 26 2013, 9:28am Anchor

Too bad Islam, like Christianity, has its origins in Jewish polytheism.

kufiapps wrote:Now I need you to be open minded here, because nowadays people have a picture in their mind of Islam being a violent, terrorist, crazy religion. That's not Islam.

This I agree with. Islam isn't about plane hijacking any more than Christianity is about witch burning. The curious thing to notice is that the stories and histories of each both endorse and condemn various heinous acts, either explicitly or implicitly. Any sufficiently charismatic leader with an under (or selectively) educated audience can persuade them to act for their own ends under the name of a god.

I'm currently inclined to think that the way a religion is practised is a direct manifestation of the environment and culture the practitioner finds themselves in. In other words, if female circumcision is the norm in your community and you believe it's desired by your god, it won't bother you. Incidentally, if I remember rightly, female circumcision has no origin in Islam and began in Africa as a cultural (i.e., not religious) practice.

kufiapps wrote:if you don't believe it and you don't like it and you don't want to learn more about it, leave me alone

I don't believe it, but I don't necessarily dislike it. It's got some good principles and practices. I think you'll find this isn't how forums work; after your initial post you don't get to control the conversation.

SinKing wrote:In my oppinion, we'd better get rid of religion alltogether

That could have all sorts of unintended consequences. A world without religion might not necessarily be any better. I don't think all the people looking for 'shepards' would disappear. Lots of people use their social, political and religious groups (which are often interrelated or even the same) to define their identity and orient their lives, giving them purpose. Regardless of whether this purpose is a good one or defensible logically, it's there. Yank it away and who knows what would happen.

Guiboune wrote:religion is the n.1 cause of wars on Earth

Doubtful. I'd put my money on resources & territory as the most common causes.

Edited by: JigsawPieces

Jan 27 2013, 11:33am Anchor

in our country,foods are not safe,the reason is that most of us have no releigion

china is a country without religion,so the officer take our money,businessman cheat us
i hope most people of our country can have a religion,but it maybe a dream 

the reason of war is money or resourse

Jan 27 2013, 3:48pm Anchor
Quote:the reason of war is money or resourse

I understand that's a large part of why we go to war but during medevil times and such were declaring war on each other and they called em holy crusades i know that was then and this is now but you have to look at it this way we as humans need something to base ower views of the unexplained on something that we can believe in like a dude high up in the sky who controls everything or maybe that we evoloved from a cell ether way we have bin declaring war for a mojerty of human history on what we believin in such as religon.

JigsawPieces
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Jan 27 2013, 11:14pm Anchor
templetong wrote:in our country,foods are not safe,the reason is that most of us have no releigion

china is a country without religion,so the officer take our money,businessman cheat us
i hope most people of our country can have a religion,but it maybe a dream 

the reason of war is money or resourse


Japan and many European countries have either no state religion or very high rates of irreligion yet don't have this problem. The things you're describing are caused by corruption, not a lack of religion. The aristocracy / government in some parts of Europe in the middle ages did similar things with religion. Also, please don't post your responses to this thread on my profile page.

Religion can be a cause of war, either because of oppressive practice of it or conflicts between two or more different religiously disposed groups, but it's not a cause as often as some people think (or would like to think) it is. Indeed, often religion is merely the colours the different teams wear while the animosity between them either pre-dates or is independent from the religions. Anyone who thinks the crusades or today's "War on Terror" is caused solely or mostly by religion needs to take a closer look. Further, when religion is oppressively practised, it's the oppressive policy which is the problem, not religion as a whole. Saying all of religion is the cause is like looking at an oppressive government and concluding that therefore all government is bad.

Edited by: JigsawPieces

Jan 28 2013, 1:31am Anchor

I normally stay out of discussions like this, but I feel that I have to chime in on this one.

Religion, in and of itself, is not bad. It's not good. It's not anything. It just is. The problem comes when you thrown people into the mix, as, as we are wont to do, we royally fuck things up, if you'll pardon my french. They take their religion, and run with it, often times in directions completely contrary to the original intent of the writings and beliefs that those people now hold. But that's no more the fault of religion than it is the fault of the scientist who creates a wondrous drug, intending to cure, only for others to use it destroy themselves and others.

Religion is responsible for at least as much good as bad in this world, more, actually. It allows people to make sense of the world, has been the inspiration for countless pieces of art, music and literature, has been the force behind countless organizations dedicated to helping their fellow man (the red cross comes to mind off the top of my head), and has inspired the creation of countless architectural masterpieces and engineering marvels.

For every person who's interpretation of their religion has them strapping a bomb to their chest, or attacking gays, there's going to be five who have been inspired to become doctors, artists, police officers, fire fighters, scientists by their religion.

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Jan 28 2013, 10:41pm Anchor

moral : religion should be personal. believe in what you want to believe. don't talk about it

Feb 2 2013, 4:12am Anchor
kufiapps wrote: but I ask that if you don't believe it and you don't like it and you don't want to learn more about it, leave me alone. This is for people who want to know 

well you're a dick, you post  DELIBARETLY inflamoatory thread about some bullshit religion and then say to leave you alone? if you want to practice your religion then go and beat your wives and murder dishnorable family members like you guys always do.

P.S I don't condone any religion, they are all stories used by the clever people to explan to the dumbasses the meaning of the universe, it is not useful anymore as we have something cool called SCIENCE! you know, that thing that proofs your nonsense false? also, santa claus is true! (It has as much proof as any religion)

Edited by: lagiacruswhite

Mar 6 2013, 10:43pm Anchor
JigsawPieces wrote:
templetong wrote:in our country,foods are not safe,the reason is that most of us have no releigion

china is a country without religion,so the officer take our money,businessman cheat us
i hope most people of our country can have a religion,but it maybe a dream 

the reason of war is money or resourse


Japan and many European countries have either no state religion or very high rates of irreligion yet don't have this problem. The things you're describing are caused by corruption, not a lack of religion. The aristocracy / government in some parts of Europe in the middle ages did similar things with religion. Also, please don't post your responses to this thread on my profile page.

Religion can be a cause of war, either because of oppressive practice of it or conflicts between two or more different religiously disposed groups, but it's not a cause as often as some people think (or would like to think) it is. Indeed, often religion is merely the colours the different teams wear while the animosity between them either pre-dates or is independent from the religions. Anyone who thinks the crusades or today's "War on Terror" is caused solely or mostly by religion needs to take a closer look. Further, when religion is oppressively practised, it's the oppressive policy which is the problem, not religion as a whole. Saying all of religion is the cause is like looking at an oppressive government and concluding that therefore all government is bad.


To put it this way, Japan and some European countries would be secular with no state religion and you practice whatever you please. China and other communist countries like Soviet Union, used to be, would be anti-religious as most of those countries copied Marx's ideals

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kufiapps wrote: but I ask that if you don't believe it and you don't like it and you don't want to learn more about it, leave me alone. This is for people who want to know 

well you're a dick, you post  DELIBARETLY inflamoatory thread about some bullshit religion and then say to leave you alone? if you want to practice your religion then go and beat your wives and murder dishnorable family members like you guys always do.

P.S I don't condone any religion, they are all stories used by the clever people to explan to the dumbasses the meaning of the universe, it is not useful anymore as we have something cool called SCIENCE! you know, that thing that proofs your nonsense false? also, santa claus is true! (It has as much proof as any religion)


Well aren't you charming? You know he didn't insult anyone with his post he simply tried to tell people his beliefs. You know most of early science was funded by religion? Where does science come from: maths and where does most math formulas come from? Muslims trying to find ways to answer religious questions. It's very easy to find bad things about religion if that's all you look for.

Edited by: MacDon

Mar 6 2013, 11:19pm Anchor

And you needed to dig up a month old religioustroll thread because?

Mar 6 2013, 11:22pm Anchor

5 days ago is the post before mine....

Mar 7 2013, 2:47am Anchor

1 month and 5 days. It's march, not february.

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Mar 7 2013, 9:23pm Anchor
TerranAmbassador wrote:1 month and 5 days. It's march, not february.

My mind is still a month behind apparently :)
There doesn't to be much interesting new threads though.

Ragendar
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Apr 2 2013, 2:48am Anchor

Alright, my ideas on religion are a bit out of the ordinary, and I don't go promoting them verbally. Luckily in my belief, this does not negatively influence me.

I don't believe in divinity. I believe in life. I know my body to be a husk in which my consciousness is contained, specifically in my brain. In my belief, this consciousness, life energy for lack of a better phrase, leaves the body when the body dies and is recycled in a way similar to all energy. It may change form, but it remains as life energy and is recycled into new life. This idea is similar to reincarnation, but without the belief that some how you can influence the form in which you are reborn by how you act in life. The pros to this type of religion are that I am not responsible to anyone for maintaining it, I am not asked to push my views on to others, and I hold all life as equal to my own. It also helps me not to fear death, but to one day welcome it and be ready to begin anew.

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Mobius89
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Apr 5 2013, 4:59pm Anchor

I don't believe in any gods. There's no evidence for any of them and, at best, people can justify their beliefs with one big argument from ignorance and no actual proof. Furthermore, faith by definition doesn't lead to truth.

It's sad though to see people who are so sucked into religion and never, ever admit that most of their arguments are demonstrably false with extreme ease. Not to mention the fact that, when they're out of justifications, religious people go with argumenti ad hominem and attack you directly with threats of eternal torment (namely, Hell). According to them, you are "lost" and "deserve help."

Oh, I have an older cousin who, regardless of the evidence I present him about gay marriage, gay parents, atheism&society and many other topics, he doesn't change his mind. At all.

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Edited by: Mobius89

Ragendar
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Apr 8 2013, 1:45pm Anchor
Mobius89 wrote:

The lack of belief is not a belief itself Mobius. You have failed to list any thoughts beyond criticism of what others believe.

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Mobius89
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Apr 17 2013, 12:34pm Anchor

What do you mean? I know that the lack of a belief is not a belief. What do you expect me to say? As a skeptic, I reject claims which have failed to meet their burden of proof. There aren't any "thoughts" to list in atheism.

May 21 2013, 12:23am Anchor

Hello Dear

That could have all sorts of unintended consequences. A world without religion might not necessarily be any better. I don't think all the people looking for 'shepards' would disappear. Lots of people use their social, political and religious groups (which are often interrelated or even the same) to define their identity and orient their lives, giving them purpose. Regardless of whether this purpose is a good one or defensible logically, it's there. Yank it away and who knows what would happen.

Thanks!

May 21 2013, 7:49pm Anchor

- a never endingly debated subject -
The principal of the Internet is my religion now, the free sharing of information for the better (or sometimes worse). One contributes ones inputs and takes the outputs from which are responded to them.

Understandably, like many religions, there are those who want to sponge profit (in the offline sense of monetary exchange) from its essence, and probably rightly so given the current trend of the offline society, however to use such an example of the developers here on Desura, there are those who wish to give and share their knowledge and wisdom freely without any gratuity, without any thanks or appreciation other than maybe a thumbs up or good review in support. This I believe is the essence of where humanity needs to transcend eventually, as change normally takes time, in the offline world.

I do not believe in a on/off-line world perspective but I do see the line that defines where both exist, co-exist and differ significantly, thankfully and appreciate that. My work takes me offline for several months and I only recently became more active online socially when the internet became liberally available in my little corner.

I also believe that Music is the most important religion. The reason being it of our own creation; it moves us in the ways we want it to; it harmonises us collectively when we want to listen to it; it motivates; and emotionally supports us when we want it to; and it is constantly changing beyond depths imaginable. It is our expression of our genius and creativity and has been an integral part of our development as a species.

in the meantime, for my survival physically I'll play along with the 'offline' worlds rules and boundaries while still exploring its opportunities

- this is my opinion and my opinion alone unless you agree, if you don't that's acceptable too - 

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May 23 2013, 8:00pm Anchor

I'm quite happy with my "lack of religion" thank you very much.  :devil:

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