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drew.gee
drew.gee wandering artist
Nov 27 2007, 5:29pm Anchor

I'm not sure I understand the voting process.

For example, voting on your own submission every day seems unethical, yet clearly there are going to be individuals doing that.

Not to mention, one of my friends just voted for me, and said "Wow I can vote every 24 hours? I'm going to keep voting for yours until voting closes" But I had to ask him not to otherwise I might get disqualified.

Could we get more clarification on the rules here?

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Nov 27 2007, 7:46pm Anchor

i imagine they track IP addresses so if they go on and find that a lot of votes came from the same IP address that would be a red flag, however I think there are ways around this as in shutting off your router or having your netwrok host assign you a new IP address, and its not that hard to do...thats what concerns me.

Nov 27 2007, 8:20pm Anchor

It seems to be buggy for mine... Are some of the thumbnails supposed to look 10px high? Also why is it possible to vote again after 24 hours?

Spector
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Nov 28 2007, 12:38am Anchor

AIO Designed the Flash Player as far as I understand, and the way they did it would have to be answered by INtense.

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Nov 28 2007, 2:04am Anchor

Hey guys...i emailed the team asking for a more defined set of rules.....as soon as they get back to me i'll inform you of their response :) Good luck all, the entries are great!!!!!!

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Nov 28 2007, 10:33am Anchor

Okay hi guys! Well I recieved a response...multiple votes from the same ip for the same entry will just be classed as one vote....so thats good :) Also you are allowed to vote for your own entry if you wish to :)

Good luck to all!!!!!!!!

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Dragonlord
Dragonlord Linux-Dragon of quick wit and sharp tongue
Nov 28 2007, 11:05am Anchor

That's rather stupid in fact. IP limited voting just calls for misuse. Why not vote by member? Hence you can place like N votes and that's it, period. No misuse possible. Furthermore allowing voting for yourself is *meh* too. Those who are fair don't vote for themselves and all others do. Guess who is the looser in this game then ;) . Also voting multiple times is crap too. Just calls for misuse again. What about variety? Over-voting one entry is like saying the world exists only of black and white.

But it's not the fault of INtense! and their team in that case it looks like as the rules seem to not origin from them.

Edited by: Dragonlord

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Nov 28 2007, 12:28pm Anchor

Well they told me that even if people do vote for the same image over and over...they will only count it as one when they review the votes at the end..so i wouldnt worry that should be ok :)

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Gibberstein
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Nov 28 2007, 12:45pm Anchor

Hmmm, so if I keep resetting my router so I keep getting new IP addresses, I get many votes? Plus I get one from work, one from home, and could even get several from my neighbours as well if I was feeling cheeky enough to exploit their poor wireless security. I can't be arsed, but if I cared enough I could rack up tens, if not hundreds, of votes a day. Aren't IP-based ID checks great!

Why not tie votes to Moddb users? MOTY voting uses that, and has been successful in filtering dummy accounts created purely to pad the vote. You have a better system that's already been used, and you aren't using it :(

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Nov 28 2007, 1:26pm Anchor

^ Has just talked him/herself into getting banned.

Just kidding. =P GL everyone. :)

Godwin
Godwin starving artist, sorta
Nov 28 2007, 2:23pm Anchor

I've emailed INtense, apparently neither he nor ModDB built the voting system, just as Spector said above, so it's kinda sorta out of their hands beyond trying to fix polish issues now.

ambershee
ambershee Nimbusfish Rawks
Nov 28 2007, 3:06pm Anchor
Gibberstein wrote:Hmmm, so if I keep resetting my router so I keep getting new IP addresses, I get many votes? Plus I get one from work, one from home, and could even get several from my neighbours as well if I was feeling cheeky enough to exploit their poor wireless security. I can't be arsed, but if I cared enough I could rack up tens, if not hundreds, of votes a day. Aren't IP-based ID checks great!

Why not tie votes to Moddb users? MOTY voting uses that, and has been successful in filtering dummy accounts created purely to pad the vote. You have a better system that's already been used, and you aren't using it :(


Totally correct, especially when there is such a large prize at stake. It's a little disconcerting - for example one of my home connections is dial-up. All I have to do is disconnect / reconnect and I'd get another vote...

ambershee
ambershee Nimbusfish Rawks
Nov 28 2007, 4:17pm Anchor

I had to vote for the 'War on the Water' concept with the cartoon-esque vehicles over ice. It's so suitably bonkers it's a great concept piece, even if it isn't the best piece of artwork.

Edit: Oops. That's what I get for flicking back a page.

Edited by: ambershee

Pr0stSh0cKeR
Pr0stSh0cKeR ffff butts
Nov 29 2007, 1:40am Anchor

Here's an optimized and high-resolution copy of my image. I rushed it into the comp so I didn't have ample time to tweak it in Photoshop.

Geekjosh.com

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Nov 29 2007, 11:13am Anchor

i think if they see that one image has 1000 votes and all the others only have 50 each then they might think something is up, eaither that or everyone has similar tastes/

Dragonlord
Dragonlord Linux-Dragon of quick wit and sharp tongue
Nov 29 2007, 1:44pm Anchor

Or more than one person tried to cheat. In fact I would suspect this to happen but more I am not going to say to avoid certain people getting mad ;)

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Nov 29 2007, 4:43pm Anchor

Hey I don't know if anyone is interested but I found this the other day

Events.cgsociety.org

Anyway it looks a little bit different! No monsters or characters..sounds pretty cool! I think it's more aimed at the 3D artists...but interesting none the less :)

Edited by: Bunnyjen

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Mr_Cyberpunk
Mr_Cyberpunk Game Developer
Nov 29 2007, 8:19pm Anchor

dude, CGSociety.. Nvidia Quadros == OWNED. Seriously I bet every industry guy on the planet would be going for that. ModDB is much easier :D

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Nov 29 2007, 9:40pm Anchor

heh yeah. Those are for pros. :P

i didn't vote. :P coz if i did, I'm not ashamed to admit I'd totally vote for my own entry. LOL. But I did ask my friends to vote for me. >.> That's alright, right?! I wish they'd have made a modDB member based voting system tho... but... nothing we can do about that. So live with it! XD

Everybody play fair! :D and Good luck!

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INtense!
INtense! Change the game!
Nov 30 2007, 12:36am Anchor

Hey guys I've updated the rules, and got the sponsors to polish up the voting rig as best they can so pixelation issues etc are mostly gone. Details are all here: Moddb.com

A lot of your concerns here are valid and unfortunately there is not a great deal I can do to work around them, as I am only presenting the voting rig and little control over its presentation and implementation. At the end of this competition I plan to properly showcase all artwork so it gets the attention it deserves.

As for cheating issues, we are on it and will be analyzing voting patterns. I.e. heaps of votes from same IP range (same ISP), heaps of votes at the same time that sort of thing. Though IP is an inherently crap system for auditing votes, patterns are generally very easy to spot (for example say your piece gets 50 votes and 40 appear to come from the same ISP thou diff IP it is pretty obvious what has happened there).

Best of luck to all!

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Nov 30 2007, 2:26am Anchor

hm... LOL. there are only about 2 ISP's, I think that cater nationwide to the Philippines. I hope I don't run into problems with that. ;)

but yeah, checking out the votes themselves is good. I wonder if you can pinpoint the actual geographical location of the IP? that would also help, maybe.

hmm.

Quote:The system will allow you to vote for the same piece each day, however only one unique vote will be counted for each artwork

this means we can vote for one artpiece a day, for as many artpieces as we want, provided that they are different each day?

e.g. i voted for A today,

a)if i voted for A tomorrow, the two votes would still count as 1 vote for A
b)if i voted for B tomorrow, both artpieces A and B would now have 1 vote from me each?

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ambershee
ambershee Nimbusfish Rawks
Nov 30 2007, 2:48am Anchor
INtense! wrote:As for cheating issues, we are on it and will be analyzing voting patterns. I.e. heaps of votes from same IP range (same ISP), heaps of votes at the same time that sort of thing. Though IP is an inherently crap system for auditing votes, patterns are generally very easy to spot (for example say your piece gets 50 votes and 40 appear to come from the same ISP thou diff IP it is pretty obvious what has happened there).

Three words. Universities, schools, offices. They would often also appear to have the same ISP and similar IPs. Lots of universities and offices have very similar IPs to each other when they use the same ISP.

Nov 30 2007, 5:46am Anchor
Mr_Cyberpunk wrote:dude, CGSociety.. Nvidia Quadros == OWNED. Seriously I bet every industry guy on the planet would be going for that. ModDB is much easier :D

HA ha well yes there is that...but hey i've seen some industry standard work in this competition :) It's always worth a go, after all if you come up with an idea thats really interesting...often that will win over a skill based piece:) It seems like a really interesting competition though. I like that they say no games characters, no fantasy creatures, no kind of character design at all....should be really interesting to see the results! Some of the entries look pretty cool, from the wip threads!....ha ha how many times can i say interesting in a post? :D ee hee

Edited by: Bunnyjen

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Nov 30 2007, 6:42am Anchor

I tried to think of something for that CGSociety competition, but when it can't be a character or a creature what does that leave? Environments and abstract art I suppose. But if it has to be something that can "only exist in a digital realm", it'll have to be something fairly unique...

Nov 30 2007, 8:09am Anchor

hm yes. the results would be really awesome. especially since its CGS. :P I remember one of our concept artists painting that sort of scenes a year ago. Abstract environments that makes no sense but are clearly scenes of some sort. I'll try to nag him to join. Hmmm...no... I'll tell ALL our concept artists. ;)

Edited by: AStepIntoOblivion

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