Gold Source (also known as Gold Src) is a heavily-modified version of the original Quake 1 engine, that powered some of the most critically acclaimed games of it's day:

  • Half-Life
  • Half-Life: Opposing Force
  • Half-Life: Blue Shift
  • Team Fortress Classic
  • Counter-Strike
  • Day of Defeat
  • and many more.

A powerful and versatile engine for it's time, it helped propel modding forward quite a bit with its mod development tools. And even though it's already 10+ years old, it's mod projects are still going strong.

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19 comments by ytres on Mar 12th, 2011

I have made this news post in an effort to clear up misconceptions about GoldSource and Source.

GoldSrc is based upon the Quake 1 engine, not the Quake 2 engine.
GoldSource is a heavily modified version of the Quake 1 engine. It has a few lines of code from the Quake 2 engine, to fix bugs, but at it's core, it's the Quake 1 engine. Ken Birdwell from Valve explains it in further detail:

"It is fundamentally just a heavily modified Quake 1 engine. There are about 50 lines of code from the Quake 2 engine, mostly bugs fixes to hard problems that Carmack found and fixed before we ran into them."

At its core, it's a Quake 1 engine. You can tell this by comparing Half-life's map compiling tools with those shipped with Quake1. You'll find very minor differences -- none of them are fundamental. The core rendering is architecturally identical to Quake1, the only "significant" change is removing the fixed palette, making map lighting RGB instead of 8 bit, and converting software rendering to be 16 bit color instead of 8 bit color, which was pretty easy and only required minor code changes. Our skeletal animation system is new, though it was heavily influenced by the existing model rendering code, as were a lot of our updated particle effects, though less so with our beam system. Decals are totally new, our audio system has some major additions to what already existed, and at ship time our networking was almost totally Quake1 / QuakeWorld networking but about a year later Yahn rewrote most of all of it to be very different in design. The most highly changed sections are the game logic; ours being written in C++ and Quake's being in written interpreted "Quake C". Our AI system is very very different from anything in Quake, and there's a lot of other significant architectural changes in the whole server and client implementations, though if you look hard enough you can find a few remnants of some nearly unmodified Quake1 era entities buried in places.

Jay Stelly adds, "We also took PAS from QW and/or Q2 and a couple of other minor routines I can remember (no more than 100-200 lines of code there). There was some feature overlap (as Ken mentions) like game code DLLs and colored lighting, but we developed our own solutions to those independent of Q2."

- Ken Birdwell, Valve


Source is a heavily modified version of GoldSource, with mostly new code. Also has Havok physics (albeit heavily tweaked) incorporated.
It's not based on the "Havok Engine", it has the Havok Physics Engine incorporated in it however.

Hopefully that will help clear up some things for our users.

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crazycoconut247
crazycoconut247 Jan 2 2012, 2:25am says:

does quake 1 mods work as goldsrc mods?

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tschumann
tschumann Jan 12 2012, 2:15am replied:

No, they won't.

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St0rmified
St0rmified Oct 25 2011, 2:04am says:

what the hell hapen to Black Mesa

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m30w
m30w Nov 4 2011, 1:15am replied:

check their mod page...a post added on their progress...just 9 hours ago...so its still in dev. don't give up!!! i hope it comes out soon too.

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Javik-AOV
Javik-AOV Sep 26 2011, 7:26am says:

If VALVe Gets a new engine, they need to combine these two. Like a fitting death animation, then a ragdoll.

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OsirisGodoftheDead
OsirisGodoftheDead Feb 10 2012, 4:06pm replied:

They also did that in tf2

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EscheresquePolygons
EscheresquePolygons Nov 27 2011, 1:24pm replied:

That would be cool, they did that in Bloody Good Time with the backstab. That pointing animation was priceless, and it was the best if they collapsed against a wall in front of a health kit.

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asif_ridwan
asif_ridwan Aug 11 2011, 6:35am says:

What's the difference between Source and Gold-Source engine?

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Jorka2099
Jorka2099 Sep 6 2011, 5:15pm replied:

uuuuh. You didn't notice it?

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ChiRaeDisk1
ChiRaeDisk1 Aug 22 2011, 1:51am replied:

Ragdoll, physics, more stuff than could possibly be placed in chat... I suggest watching videos of Half Life and then watching videos of the source enhanced version. The difference is obvious.

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